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Mumbai : Prove Fire Temple Is Important To You, State Tells Parsis
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Some of the rules you were interested in learning more about.
These are specific to the consecration of the holy Atash Padshahs.
The Consecration Of Our Holy Atash Padhshahs
Let’s reaffirm our faith in the power of Pak Aatash Padshah Saheb, the son of Dadar Ahura Mazda. PT Reporter Jamshed Arjani speaks with Er. Dr. Ramiyar Karanjia, who shares various factors regarding the consecration of these holy beings.
PT: Tell us about the sixteen fires which come together to consecrate an Atash Behram?
RK: The 16 fires for the Atash Behram are sourced from different places, mainly where fire is used as a means of vocations by different people, and where it undergoes hardships in various ways. There are no particular names to these 16 types of fires.
PT: What is the source of these fires and the numerous purification rituals? How long does the purification continue until the Atash Behram is consecrated?
RK: The source of each fire is generally the household or the work place from where it is ceremoniously collected. Two very special types of fires, among the sixteen used in the Atash Behram, are the Fire of Lightning and the Fire of a Burning Corpse.
The sixteen fires are first collected from their source. They are not directly taken but wood shavings are ignited on a ladle (chamach) with holes, from the heat of the fire, and that fire is taken. These 16 fires are:
After the above fires are collected they undergo further procedures which include:
Purification: The 16 fires are separately purified thus… Some sandal wood shavings are kept on a ladle with holes, which are ignited from the fire in the Afarganyu (fire vase). Once ignited, this fire is kept on another empty Afarganyu. This process is repeated different number of times for different fires, as mentioned in the table above. Priests mentally recite certain prayers while this process is going on. After this, the fires are consecrated.
Consecration: For consecration, several pairs of priests are involved in performing Yasna and Vendidad rituals, for the requisite number of times, as mentioned in the table above, for each of the 16 fires. It takes several months to completely finish these rituals, depending on the number of priests involved.
For each of the sixteen fires, the first three Yasna and Vendidad are performed with the invocation to the Ameshaspands and Yazads presiding over the first to the sixteenth day of the calendar. The rest of the Yasna and Vendidad are performed with the invocation to each of the 30 days of the month, as many times over as required. The different combinations of the various invocations are too intricate and complicated, after which the fires are amalgamated.
Amalgamation: Once the consecration process is over, the 16 fires are amalgamated and then a Yasna and Vendidad with the invocation to Sarosh Yazad is performed for three days, followed by a Yasna and Vendidad each for the next thirty days, dedicated to the Ameshaspand/Yazad of the day, thus concluding the consecration rituals.
Consecration of the Keblā or the Sanctum Sanctorum and the Building: The Sanctum Sanctorum or the Keblā, where the consecrated fire is kept, as also the building housing the sacred fire, have to be consecrated. The sanctum is in the main prayer hall. It is a special room with a dome (Gumbaj) over it. A metallic canopy, symbolising the crown of the sacred fire, hangs above the fire-vase. This most important part of the fire temple is closed on three sides, and has a big wooden door on the fourth side. On two of the three closed sides there is window each. Generally the south side wall has no window as Zoroastrians are enjoined not to pray facing the North.
Before the consecration of the building and the keblā, the area is swabbed thrice with bull’s urine and then thrice with water. Then for four days, two priests perform a Yasna and Vendidad with the invocation of Sarosh Yazad in the fire temple building and also within the keblā and then perform a special Afringan. The Afarganyu too is consecrated by taking it into the pavi and performing the Bajdharna of Sarosh on it.
Installation of the Consecrated Fire: On the appointed day of installation, one Yasna is done with the invocation to Sarosh Yazad on the amalgamated consecrated fires. Then the sacred fire is ceremoniously taken in a procession by priests in their complete priesthood regalia holding spears, swords and gurz (mace) in their hands for the protection of the sacred fire, which is now referred to as their ‘king’ or pādshah.’ Lay people too follow this procession.
The fire is respectfully enthroned (takhta-nashin) in the sanctum sanctorum (keblā). The ceremoniously enthroned fire has the status of a King, with the stone hindholā as its throne. The dome (gumbaj) of the keblā signifies the sky, which is the jurisdiction of the fire. The metallic canopy hanging above the fire is its crown.
This sacred fire will now be kept continuously burning. Priests offer prayers and fuel to the fire at least five times a day, at the turn of the five gehs, when they perform the Boi ritual.
PT: Which are the four fires required for consecrating an Aadaryan? Is it essential to consecrate an Aadaryaan within the Atash Behram premises?
RK: Atash Adaran requires gathering of hearth fires from representatives of four professional groups: the priests (athornan); the soldiers / warriors / rulers (ratheshtaran); the farmers or herdsmen (vastryoshan); and any of the artisans (hutokhshan) like blacksmith, goldsmith, tinsmith or potter. After gathering, they are kept separately till they undergo the stages of purification, consecration, amalgamation and installation as is done for the Atash Behram. Purification process is repeated four times for the fire from the priest’s house and thrice for the other three fires. Then, four pairs of priests consecrate each of the fires separately. On the first day two Yasnas and a Vendidad are performed. On the second day, a Yasna and a Vendidad is performed. Finally the fires are amalgamated. Two priests perform a Yasna and Vendidad with the invocation to Sarosh Yazad and on the following day a Yasna with the invocation to Dādār Ahura Mazda, which concludes the amalgamation. Thereafter the fire is ceremoniously established. It is not necessary to have an Aadaryan in the Atash Behram premise.
PT: Please explain the significance of the Boi ritual.
RK: The word Boi comes from the Avestan word baodha, Pahlavi boe, both of which mean ‘fragrance’. Hence the boi ritual is to feed the sacred fire with fragrance (sukhad) and fuel (kāthi). A boi ritual is performed over consecrated fires of Adaran and Atash Behram in each of the five watches of the day. For the Dadgah fire a boi is done at least once a day. During the performance of boi rituals for Atash Behram, and in special cases for the Agyari, the priest offers long pieces of sandal-wood referred to as Māchi. The hindhola of the Atash Padshah is ceremoniously washed in certain cases. Varying numbers of Atash Nyash is recited. At the recital of the first Nyash bells are rung, generally, at the words Dushmata, Duzhukhta and Duzhvarshta.
PT: Which prayer can devotees recite in a fire temple? How can we maintain the sanctity of our Pak Atash Padshahs?
RK: The best prayer to recite to maintain the power and sanctity of our Pak Aatash Padshah sahebs is the Atash Nyaish, after doing one’s Farajyat prayers. Zoroastrian Fire Temples are sanctified and consecrated places of worship. Zoroastrians need to be concerned about their sanctity and observe rules of ritual purity before going into these sacred places, in order to maintain their sanctity. That is the main reason why entry into a fire-temple is prohibited for non-Zoroastrians. Fire, especially consecrated fire, is to be approached with dignity and respect. Physical and ritual purity is to be maintained. The rules include taking a bath, wearing appropriate clothes and doing the Kasti before approaching the sacred fire. According to the Atash Nyaish, when approaching a fire, one is expected to take gifts of dry, fragrant and pure wood with honestly earned money. It also tells us how the fire should be venerated, what we can ask from the fire and how the fire gives its devotees blessings of wealth, prosperity, alertness, fluent tongue, brilliant children, health and evolution of the soul.
Cheers, Doc
Some of the rules you were interested in learning more about.
These are specific to the consecration of the holy Atash Padshahs.
The Consecration Of Our Holy Atash Padhshahs
Let’s reaffirm our faith in the power of Pak Aatash Padshah Saheb, the son of Dadar Ahura Mazda. PT Reporter Jamshed Arjani speaks with Er. Dr. Ramiyar Karanjia, who shares various factors regarding the consecration of these holy beings.
PT: Tell us about the sixteen fires which come together to consecrate an Atash Behram?
RK: The 16 fires for the Atash Behram are sourced from different places, mainly where fire is used as a means of vocations by different people, and where it undergoes hardships in various ways. There are no particular names to these 16 types of fires.
PT: What is the source of these fires and the numerous purification rituals? How long does the purification continue until the Atash Behram is consecrated?
RK: The source of each fire is generally the household or the work place from where it is ceremoniously collected. Two very special types of fires, among the sixteen used in the Atash Behram, are the Fire of Lightning and the Fire of a Burning Corpse.
The sixteen fires are first collected from their source. They are not directly taken but wood shavings are ignited on a ladle (chamach) with holes, from the heat of the fire, and that fire is taken. These 16 fires are:
After the above fires are collected they undergo further procedures which include:
Purification: The 16 fires are separately purified thus… Some sandal wood shavings are kept on a ladle with holes, which are ignited from the fire in the Afarganyu (fire vase). Once ignited, this fire is kept on another empty Afarganyu. This process is repeated different number of times for different fires, as mentioned in the table above. Priests mentally recite certain prayers while this process is going on. After this, the fires are consecrated.
Consecration: For consecration, several pairs of priests are involved in performing Yasna and Vendidad rituals, for the requisite number of times, as mentioned in the table above, for each of the 16 fires. It takes several months to completely finish these rituals, depending on the number of priests involved.
For each of the sixteen fires, the first three Yasna and Vendidad are performed with the invocation to the Ameshaspands and Yazads presiding over the first to the sixteenth day of the calendar. The rest of the Yasna and Vendidad are performed with the invocation to each of the 30 days of the month, as many times over as required. The different combinations of the various invocations are too intricate and complicated, after which the fires are amalgamated.
Amalgamation: Once the consecration process is over, the 16 fires are amalgamated and then a Yasna and Vendidad with the invocation to Sarosh Yazad is performed for three days, followed by a Yasna and Vendidad each for the next thirty days, dedicated to the Ameshaspand/Yazad of the day, thus concluding the consecration rituals.
Consecration of the Keblā or the Sanctum Sanctorum and the Building: The Sanctum Sanctorum or the Keblā, where the consecrated fire is kept, as also the building housing the sacred fire, have to be consecrated. The sanctum is in the main prayer hall. It is a special room with a dome (Gumbaj) over it. A metallic canopy, symbolising the crown of the sacred fire, hangs above the fire-vase. This most important part of the fire temple is closed on three sides, and has a big wooden door on the fourth side. On two of the three closed sides there is window each. Generally the south side wall has no window as Zoroastrians are enjoined not to pray facing the North.
Before the consecration of the building and the keblā, the area is swabbed thrice with bull’s urine and then thrice with water. Then for four days, two priests perform a Yasna and Vendidad with the invocation of Sarosh Yazad in the fire temple building and also within the keblā and then perform a special Afringan. The Afarganyu too is consecrated by taking it into the pavi and performing the Bajdharna of Sarosh on it.
Installation of the Consecrated Fire: On the appointed day of installation, one Yasna is done with the invocation to Sarosh Yazad on the amalgamated consecrated fires. Then the sacred fire is ceremoniously taken in a procession by priests in their complete priesthood regalia holding spears, swords and gurz (mace) in their hands for the protection of the sacred fire, which is now referred to as their ‘king’ or pādshah.’ Lay people too follow this procession.
The fire is respectfully enthroned (takhta-nashin) in the sanctum sanctorum (keblā). The ceremoniously enthroned fire has the status of a King, with the stone hindholā as its throne. The dome (gumbaj) of the keblā signifies the sky, which is the jurisdiction of the fire. The metallic canopy hanging above the fire is its crown.
This sacred fire will now be kept continuously burning. Priests offer prayers and fuel to the fire at least five times a day, at the turn of the five gehs, when they perform the Boi ritual.
PT: Which are the four fires required for consecrating an Aadaryan? Is it essential to consecrate an Aadaryaan within the Atash Behram premises?
RK: Atash Adaran requires gathering of hearth fires from representatives of four professional groups: the priests (athornan); the soldiers / warriors / rulers (ratheshtaran); the farmers or herdsmen (vastryoshan); and any of the artisans (hutokhshan) like blacksmith, goldsmith, tinsmith or potter. After gathering, they are kept separately till they undergo the stages of purification, consecration, amalgamation and installation as is done for the Atash Behram. Purification process is repeated four times for the fire from the priest’s house and thrice for the other three fires. Then, four pairs of priests consecrate each of the fires separately. On the first day two Yasnas and a Vendidad are performed. On the second day, a Yasna and a Vendidad is performed. Finally the fires are amalgamated. Two priests perform a Yasna and Vendidad with the invocation to Sarosh Yazad and on the following day a Yasna with the invocation to Dādār Ahura Mazda, which concludes the amalgamation. Thereafter the fire is ceremoniously established. It is not necessary to have an Aadaryan in the Atash Behram premise.
PT: Please explain the significance of the Boi ritual.
RK: The word Boi comes from the Avestan word baodha, Pahlavi boe, both of which mean ‘fragrance’. Hence the boi ritual is to feed the sacred fire with fragrance (sukhad) and fuel (kāthi). A boi ritual is performed over consecrated fires of Adaran and Atash Behram in each of the five watches of the day. For the Dadgah fire a boi is done at least once a day. During the performance of boi rituals for Atash Behram, and in special cases for the Agyari, the priest offers long pieces of sandal-wood referred to as Māchi. The hindhola of the Atash Padshah is ceremoniously washed in certain cases. Varying numbers of Atash Nyash is recited. At the recital of the first Nyash bells are rung, generally, at the words Dushmata, Duzhukhta and Duzhvarshta.
PT: Which prayer can devotees recite in a fire temple? How can we maintain the sanctity of our Pak Atash Padshahs?
RK: The best prayer to recite to maintain the power and sanctity of our Pak Aatash Padshah sahebs is the Atash Nyaish, after doing one’s Farajyat prayers. Zoroastrian Fire Temples are sanctified and consecrated places of worship. Zoroastrians need to be concerned about their sanctity and observe rules of ritual purity before going into these sacred places, in order to maintain their sanctity. That is the main reason why entry into a fire-temple is prohibited for non-Zoroastrians. Fire, especially consecrated fire, is to be approached with dignity and respect. Physical and ritual purity is to be maintained. The rules include taking a bath, wearing appropriate clothes and doing the Kasti before approaching the sacred fire. According to the Atash Nyaish, when approaching a fire, one is expected to take gifts of dry, fragrant and pure wood with honestly earned money. It also tells us how the fire should be venerated, what we can ask from the fire and how the fire gives its devotees blessings of wealth, prosperity, alertness, fluent tongue, brilliant children, health and evolution of the soul.
Cheers, Doc
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from what I know, orthodox Hinduism belief nothing should be built above their temple domes that houses their gods as it links with the cosmic energy. E.g no overhead fly overs can be constructed over a temple dome as it obstructs the inflow of energy ( can this be scientifically proven ?)
In the case of Zoroastrianism their belief is the holy fire is spiritually linked to the earth, from which it draws sustenance. This is scientific if we consider the core of the earth consist of fire.
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from what I know, orthodox Hinduism belief nothing should be built above their temple domes that houses their gods as it links with the cosmic energy. E.g no overhead fly overs can be constructed over a temple dome as it obstructs the inflow of energy ( can this be scientifically proven ?)
In the case of Zoroastrianism their belief is the holy fire is spiritually linked to the earth, from which it draws sustenance. This is scientific if we consider the core of the earth consist of fire.
Not just the earth. But celestially as well. Both ways.
And His spiritual roots grow stronger and more powerful with time and prayers.
Moving a Fire destroys and greatly diminishes its spirituality. Worse the older it is. Exponentially.
We believe that this celestial bridge protects this land and the people.
And keeps dark forces at bay.
Dark forces that are unleashed should the link ever be broken. Dark forces that can only be defeated by the faithful, following the true path of Asha.
We believe this is what happened to Iran when they converted and the flames were put out.
This world is in a constant state of battle between Ahura Mazda and Ahriman. When the Fire goes, Ahriman takes over ....
To a large extent, we also believe the same happened to the Vedic Hindus after the Puranic epoch with the complete peripheralization of fire and the swing towards water and idols.
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Question if i may have missed it already.
Is a Temple necessary for the Parsis? Isn't their one in Iran which is the only true temple for you guys?
You totally missed it.
Its not the Atash Bahram but the Atash Padshah.
Will try to post here some material which shows what a huge deal moving the Atash Padshah is .... even within the sanctified and consecrated premises of the Atash Bahram.
As happened over the past many years in Udvada as the Pak Iransha got a complete life-cycle makeover. Moved from the main building into one of the adjoining ones.
Since we do not have so many Parsi stone and wood workers, non Parsis needed to be employed. And there were elaborate rituals and cleansing over years for the same.
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So if the state asks you will move the temple?
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Well that is a theological question and not a law and order question now is it?
The one in Yazd is the most recent. The newest.
The Pak Iransha is the oldest original flame which we rescued and brought with us. Part of the one that stills burns eternally in the belly of Mount Damavand in Iran.
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Yeah i have read about that. I just have problem with the bringing of the flame to foreign land part.
Its not possible.
The Atash must always remain in contact with the earth.
That is universal.
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and how do you describe the Atash to a layman?
We did not like it too much too at the time I'm sure.
But the alternatives were water, sand and spit.
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He is the son of Ahura Mazda.
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