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Press Release
No PR217/2011-ISPR Dated: September 23, 2011
Rawalpindi - September 23, 2011:

While taking note of the recent statements made by Admiral Mullen, Chairman Joint Chief of Staff United States, Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, termed these as very unfortunate and not based on facts. This is especially disturbing in view of a rather constructive meeting with Admiral Mullen in Spain.

On the specific question of contacts with Haqqanis, the COAS said that Admiral Mullen knows fully well which all countries are in contact with the Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive.

Categorically denying the accusations of proxy war and ISI support to Haqqanis, the COAS wished that, the blame game in public statements should give way to a constructive and meaningful engagement for a stable and peaceful Afghanistan, an objective to which Pakistan is fully committed.

http://www.ispr.gov.pk/front/main.asp?o=t-press_release&id=1850#pr_link1850
 
Press Release
No PR217/2011-ISPR Dated: September 23, 2011
Rawalpindi - September 23, 2011:

While taking note of the recent statements made by Admiral Mullen, Chairman Joint Chief of Staff United States, Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, termed these as very unfortunate and not based on facts. This is especially disturbing in view of a rather constructive meeting with Admiral Mullen in Spain.

On the specific question of contacts with Haqqanis, the COAS said that Admiral Mullen knows fully well which all countries are in contact with the Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive.

Categorically denying the accusations of proxy war and ISI support to Haqqanis, the COAS wished that, the blame game in public statements should give way to a constructive and meaningful engagement for a stable and peaceful Afghanistan, an objective to which Pakistan is fully committed.

:: ISPR :: Inter Services Public Relations - PAKISTAN

Good statement by the General, but "naqarkhaaney mein totee ki awaaz" in terms of its effectiveness on the world stage, sadly.
 
ullen’s Haqqani statement baseless: COAS

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[Mullen’s Haqqani statement baseless: COAS]



RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani said the statement of Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff regarding links with Haqqani is against the facts, Geo News reported.

COAS Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, in a statement, termed these as very unfortunate and not based on facts. This is especially disturbing in view of a rather constructive meeting with Admiral Mullen in Spain, he said.

On the specific question of contacts with Haqqanis, the COAS said that Admiral Mullen knows fully well which all countries are in contact with the Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive, the statement said.

‘Categorically denying the accusations of proxy war and ISI support to Haqqanis, the COAS wished that, the blame game in public statements should give way to a constructive and meaningful engagement for a stable and peaceful Afghanistan, an objective to which Pakistan is fully committed.’
 
ullen’s Haqqani statement baseless: COAS

Updated 1 hour ago

[Mullen’s Haqqani statement baseless: COAS]



RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani said the statement of Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff regarding links with Haqqani is against the facts, Geo News reported.

COAS Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, in a statement, termed these as very unfortunate and not based on facts. This is especially disturbing in view of a rather constructive meeting with Admiral Mullen in Spain, he said.

On the specific question of contacts with Haqqanis, the COAS said that Admiral Mullen knows fully well which all countries are in contact with the Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive, the statement said.‘

Categorically denying the accusations of proxy war and ISI support to Haqqanis, the COAS wished that, the blame game in public statements should give way to a constructive and meaningful engagement for a stable and peaceful Afghanistan, an objective to which Pakistan is fully committed.’

What about bolded part above.
 
Gen Kayani rebuffs US allegations
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(40 minutes ago) Today

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The allegations are especially disturbing in view of a rather constructive meeting with Admiral Mullen in Spain: Gen Kayani.—File photo

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s powerful military responded to accusations from the United States that its spy service was tied to a violent militant faction of the Afghan insurgency as “very unfortunate and not based on facts.”

“While taking note of the recent statements made by Admiral Mullen, chairman joint chief of staff United States, Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, termed these as very unfortunate and not based on facts,” the military said in a statement released on Friday night in Rawalpindi.

He said that the allegations are especially disturbing in view of a rather constructive meeting with Admiral Mullen in Spain.

“On the specific question of contacts with Haqqanis, the (chief of army staff) said that Admiral Mullen knows fully well which all countries are in contact with the Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive.”

Mullen, speaking in Senate testimony on Thursday, alleged Haqqani operatives launched an attack last week on the US embassy in Kabul with the support of Pakistan’s military intelligence.


Gen Kayani rebuffs US allegations | Pakistan | DAWN.COM
 
“On the specific question of contacts with Haqqanis, the (chief of army staff) said that Admiral Mullen knows fully well which all countries are in contact with the Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive.”


Ah, the old "It is not just us" defence! :D

Very subtle, but between the lines he is admitting Pakistani contact with the Haqqani Network, but only adding that others have links too (?Saudi Arabia?) ;)
 
If Kiyani had really been sure that Pakistan's hands were clean he would have issued the denial yesterday, before the ISI chief arrived in D.C. We're not talking about an allegation from an informer here; the U.S. believes it has physical evidence. Nor has the U.S. misinterpreted that evidence, or else Kiyani would have said so.

The likeliest possibility, imo, is that whatever Mullen referred to will be remedied quickly enough so that the U.S. will refrain from going public. In which case Kiyani sees no harm in a flat denial as the U.S. won't bother to embarrass him further.
 
I was watching a debate today...there the experts claimed that Mr Mullen was one of the most pro-Pakistan persons. But the fact that he charged Pakistan with allegations proves that the US administration is changing the opinion on Pak and starting to doubt it's sincerity on WoT. And I dont remember the name of that person but i guess he was a former ambassador to US, he said that IF Pakistan looses US, it's Pak itself that would be suffering the most..he was referring to Hina Rabbani's statement.
 
“On the specific question of contacts with Haqqanis, the (chief of army staff) said that Admiral Mullen knows fully well which all countries are in contact with the Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive.”


This statement supports Pakistan's position where they are not linked with Haqqani group. US should bring into consideration countries which have real contacts but not blame on Pakistan for every sin they found in Afghanistan.
 
US himself is talking with everyone and want peace more then us but if we even try to call them they bomb us and them . i think USA want to take pakistan deep in mess more so after they run from here we have no choice but to fight with all this and face them as hostile .:hitwall:
 
Some pseudo-intellectuals will never stop trolling, so guys chill. The story is now developing in a different way.
 
What about bolded part above.
Basically implying that the Afghans, British and/or other members of ISAF are also in touch with the Haqqanis to explore political reconciliation and negotiate an end to the insurgency in Afghanistan.
 
If Kiyani had really been sure that Pakistan's hands were clean he would have issued the denial yesterday, before the ISI chief arrived in D.C. We're not talking about an allegation from an informer here; the U.S. believes it has physical evidence. Nor has the U.S. misinterpreted that evidence, or else Kiyani would have said so.

The likeliest possibility, imo, is that whatever Mullen referred to will be remedied quickly enough so that the U.S. will refrain from going public. In which case Kiyani sees no harm in a flat denial as the U.S. won't bother to embarrass him further.
So basically all you have is conspiracy theories and outlandish speculation ...

Once again, no evidence or substantiation of any allegations made, and a whole lot of verbal and intellectual gymnastics to try and offer excuses for the lack of evidence and support for US allegations.
 
So basically all you have is conspiracy theories and outlandish speculation ...

Once again, no evidence or substantiation of any allegations made, and a whole lot of verbal and intellectual gymnastics to try and offer excuses for the lack of evidence and support for US allegations.

Whether it is by choice or by incapability, you just do not get it, do you? Please read the story carefully below. Kayani ADMITS Pakistani contacts with the Haqqani Network, and tries to justify it on the basis of "but we are not the only ones". That simply is pathetic and WILL NOT DO.

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from: Several countries in touch with Haqqanis: Kayani | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: Reacting to US Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen’s outburst, Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has not only rejected his allegations of using the Haqqani network for waging a proxy war in Afghanistan but also pointed out that several countries were engaged with the militant group.

A rejoinder issued by the ISPR on Friday quoted Gen Kayani as having said that Admiral Mullen’s statement was “very unfortunate and not based on facts”.

But significantly embedded within the brief rejoinder was an unspoken acknowledgment that Haqqanis were crucial for reconciliation in Afghanistan and, therefore, a number of countries, including Pakistan, maintained contact with them.

“Admiral Mullen knows fully well which countries are in contact with the Haqqanis. Singling out Pakistan is neither fair nor productive,” the army chief said.

A military official disclosed in a background conversation that the United States and a number of European countries had been talking to the Haqqanis for reconciliation. During some recent contacts, he said, Pakistan had made it clear to the US that its engagement with the Haqqani network should not be misconstrued as one meant to undermine American interests in Afghanistan.

“We worked with them for positive objectives which could have been useful for all stakeholders in the Afghan end-game,” he stressed.

Gen Kayani, the ISPR handout said, found Admiral Mullen’s diatribe disturbing because his prolonged meeting with the latter in Spain last week was “rather constructive”.

The military official said there was nothing of this sort (finger pointing) in their meeting held on the sidelines of a Nato conference, rather they had deliberated on the way forward in their soured ties, constraints in relationship, withdrawal of coalition forces from Afghanistan and the role of various stakeholders.

Contrary to his assertion, a US official, speaking to Dawn from Washington, claimed that what was now being publicly said had been conveyed personally to Gen Kayani in Seville (Spain).

The US has been accusing Pakistan for long of supporting the Haqqani network and been exerting pressure on the government and army to act against the group.

But Admiral Mullen’s latest rant was the most serious criticism of Pakistan, its army and ISI ever since Islamabad and Washington allied in the war on terror in 2001, accusing them of being complicit with the militant group in attacks on US installations in Afghanistan.

The military official said the deteriorating ties hit a low point because of lack of clarity about the roadmap for political process in Afghanistan and the roles envisaged for various stakeholders. “We kept asking them about the role for various stakeholders, but nothing was said.”

And as the ISPR said that Gen Kayani had expressed the hope that “the blame game will give way to a constructive and meaningful engagement for a stable and peaceful Afghanistan, an objective to which Pakistan is fully committed”, the official said it was absurd and illogical to think that Pakistan was averse to peace in Afghanistan.

A source close to the army chief divulged that Gen Kayani was particularly troubled by the allegations because these came from a person (Mullen) who was thought to be a friend of Pakistan and someone who still cherished his relationship with his Pakistani interlocutors.

Admiral Mullen, who visited Pakistan 27 times over the past four years, said at a public event in Washington on Sept 21 that he had developed “a very close relationship” with Gen Kayani, which helped move Pakistan beyond its distrust of the US.

The source used a Shakespearean quote “the (most) unkindest cut of all” to express the feelings of admiral’s Pakistani friends after his farewell tirade.
 
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