Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khilji A hero or Villain to Bangladeshis??

[kobiraaz]

An outsider, an invader. A brilliant military leader, an average ruler. He didn't spare the majority Hindus at that time during his first days of rules. As Hindu Bengalis were majority at that time, also he had a huge suspicion over the Brahmin elite. It's not impossible that Brahmins were persecuted or got ill treat by him. Nonetheless every invader always bring something good and something bad. The good thing was he literally destroyed the caste ruling system so the lower caste people had their relief. The bad thing is, he destroyed some of our ancestors historical sites, educational institutions etc, persecuted Brahmins. One thing I am always satisfied with Bakhtiar is that he didn't sell Bengal to the Delhi. Just a couple of gifts, than Bengal had its own Khilji dynasty.

What ancestral historical sites? If an afghan is an outsider then entire ruling class of Post Sena Bengal is outsider. I heard sheikh Mujib's family is originally from Iraq.

 

[syed1]

What ancestral historical sites? If an afghan is an outsider then entire ruling class of Post Sena Bengal is outsider. I heard sheikh Mujib's family is originally from Iraq.

Nalanda and Vikramshila were part of Bengali civilization, the ancient schools of knowledge were destroyed by Bakhtiar. And of course, those people who made Nalanda and Vikramshila were our ancestors. It doesn't matter if Sena dynasty is an outsider group, what it matters is the institutions and assets of the people that were lost. And you may also believe that Mujib came from Mars, but neither Mujib nor Senas were our "ancient ancestors." So you know what I mean.


Also Bakhtiar wasn't an Afghan, he was a Turkic. At that time he was totally an outsider, like it or not. And Mujib? even if we go by your theory than still he's a Bengali who's parents are living here for many generations. Khilji was an outsider based on the fact that when be conquered Bengal, he was from alien culture in front of Bengali people. But Mujib isn't

 

[Mentee]

An outsider, an invader. A brilliant military leader, an average ruler. He didn't spare the majority Hindus at that time during his first days of rules. As Hindu Bengalis were majority at that time, also he had a huge suspicion over the Brahmin elite. It's not impossible that Brahmins were persecuted or got ill treat by him. Nonetheless every invader always bring something good and something bad. The good thing was he literally destroyed the caste ruling system so the lower caste people had their relief. The bad thing is, he destroyed some of our ancestors historical sites, educational institutions etc, persecuted Brahmins. One thing I am always satisfied with Bakhtiar is that he didn't sell Bengal to the Delhi. Just a couple of gifts, than Bengal had its own Khilji dynasty.

aren't you a Syed?

 

[syed1]

aren't you a Syed?

Syed as the prophet's heir or Syed as a Muslim family name? If you referring to any of them, I belong to the later one. But what does being a Syed has to do with historical conversations?

 

[Mentee]

Syed as the prophet's heir or Syed as a Muslim family name? If you referring to any of them, I belong to the later one. But what does being a Syed has to do with historical conversations?

i mistook you for the Former----- and it has every thing do to with------

 

[syed1]

i mistook you for the Former----- and it has every thing do to with------

there's nothing wrong with looking into both sides of our history. It's not like only good things happen when Muslims conquested this land. But that doesn't mean only bad things happen just because Muslims came into this land.as I said, every conquest/invasion brings both good and bad things. That's how history goes.

 

[kobiraaz]

Nalanda and Vikramshila were part of Bengali civilization, the ancient schools of knowledge were destroyed by Bakhtiar. And of course, those people who made Nalanda and Vikramshila were our ancestors. It doesn't matter if Sena dynasty is an outsider group, what it matters is the institutions and assets of the people that were lost. And you may also believe that Mujib came from Mars, but neither Mujib nor Senas were our "ancient ancestors." So you know what I mean.


Also Bakhtiar wasn't an Afghan, he was a Turkic. At that time he was totally an outsider, like it or not. And Mujib? even if we go by your theory than still he's a Bengali who's parents are living here for many generations. Khilji was an outsider based on the fact that when be conquered Bengal, he was from alien culture in front of Bengali people. But Mujib isn't

You haven't read the thread. Bakhtiyar didn't destroy Nalanda. It's a popular communal misconception. . Or if you think he destroyed Nalanda you are welcome to refute my claims in the #1 thread.

Khilji was afghan of turkic origin. He never saw Central Asia.

 

[kalu_miah]

You haven't read the thread. Bakhtiyar didn't destroy Nalanda. It's a popular communal misconception. . Or if you think he destroyed Nalanda you are welcome to refute my claims in the #1 thread.

Khilji was afghan of turkic origin. He never saw Central Asia.

It is better to use the word Khalaj, Khalaji or Khalji. Khiliji mixes it up with Ghilzai who claim a mythical connection with Khalaj tribe and sprinkle the related wiki articles with this myth. You can find their edits in some of the below wiki articles about Khalaj origin, people and language:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalaj_people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalaj_language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alat_tribe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharchin_Mongols
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khilji_dynasty

Some proper historical articles and studies about that period:
http://www.academia.edu/1266257/_Th...cretarial_Class_in_the_early_Delhi_Sultanate_
http://www.academia.edu/273905/Mong..._Sultanate_INDIA_THE_UNREQUITED_MONGOL_EMPIRE

Since Khalaj's still retained their steppe nomadic life-style around 1200 AD (they moved to this area from Central Asia several centuries earlier), they were prized mounted warriors unlike mostly sedentary Afghans. So they became instrumental in the Mamluk dynastic rules started by Ghori as they were probably the only "local" (close to South Asia) nomadic steppe warrior group to be found to match the fighting skills of Central Asian Turkic nomads. Some were absorbed in Mongol Army and most moved to South Asia, I suspect as soldiers, and eventually many became rulers. Within a few centuries after that turbulent period my guess is that none remained in current Afghanistan as they had the opportunity to move to greener pastures to a better life than what they had there. But Khalaj's are still found in Iran and many still retain or retained up till very recently their original Turkic language. You can google "Khalaj" and Iranians with that last name turn up. It would be interesting to open a thread in the Iranian section of this forum about the Khalaj's but then Afghan's troll posts there will have to be ignored.

 

[Mentee]

there's nothing wrong with looking into both sides of our history. It's not like only good things happen when Muslims conquested this land. But that doesn't mean only bad things happen just because Muslims came into this land.as I said, every conquest/invasion brings both good and bad things. That's how history goes.

there's nothing wrong with looking into both sides of our history. It's not like only good things happen when Muslims conquested this land. But that doesn't mean only bad things happen just because Muslims came into this land.as I said, every conquest/invasion brings both good and bad things. That's how history goes.

mate you misunderstood me. i took you for a Syed, so i wondered, how kjhilji could have done so with your Ancestors------

 

[Baby-5]

Sen's of Bengal as they were Hindus were opressing locals; Due to their atrocities, local people prayed to god for help;
Thus on one full moon night came Bakhtiyar Khilaji riding a white Arabi horse. Freed local people, spread love and equality, and just by mistake he ransacked Bengal and burned Nalanda University (by mistake... ha!!!)

in the words of Minhaj-i-Siraj in Tabakat-E-Nasiri -

" Muhammad-i-Bakht-yar, by the force of his intrepidity, threw himself into the postern of the gateway of the place, and they captured the fortress, and acquired great booty. The greater number of the inhabitants of that place were Brahmans, and the whole of those Brahmans had their heads shaven; and they were all slain. There were a great number of books there; and, when all these books came under the observation of the Musalmans, they summoned a number of Hindus that they might give them information respecting the import of those books; but the whole of the Hindus had been killed. On becoming acquainted [with the contents of those books], it was found that the whole of that fortress and city was a college, and in the Hindui tongue, they call a college [مدرسه] Bihar."

https://archive.org/details/Tabakat-i-nasiri-AGeneralHistoryOfTheMuhammadanDynastiesOfAsia

 

[kobiraaz]

Sen's of Bengal as they were Hindus were opressing locals; Due to their atrocities, local people prayed to god for help;
Thus on one full moon night came Bakhtiyar Khilaji riding a white Arabi horse. Freed local people, spread love and equality, and just by mistake he ransacked Bengal and burned Nalanda University (by mistake... ha!!!)

in the words of Minhaj-i-Siraj in Tabakat-E-Nasiri -

" Muhammad-i-Bakht-yar, by the force of his intrepidity, threw himself into the postern of the gateway of the place, and they captured the fortress, and acquired great booty. The greater number of the inhabitants of that place were Brahmans, and the whole of those Brahmans had their heads shaven; and they were all slain. There were a great number of books there; and, when all these books came under the observation of the Musalmans, they summoned a number of Hindus that they might give them information respecting the import of those books; but the whole of the Hindus had been killed. On becoming acquainted [with the contents of those books], it was found that the whole of that fortress and city was a college, and in the Hindui tongue, they call a college [مدرسه] Bihar."

https://archive.org/details/Tabakat-i-nasiri-AGeneralHistoryOfTheMuhammadanDynastiesOfAsia

As I said it doesn't mention Nalanda. He mistakenly attacked Bihar Sharif about which you posted. Later portion of your post confirms that he found books later before assuming it as a fort.

By the way you were right. Read the only Buddhist book during Sen dynasty " Sunya purana" to know more about sen torture.

 

[Baby-5]

As I said it doesn't mention Nalanda. He mistakenly attacked Bihar Sharif about which you posted. Later portion of your post confirms that he found books later before assuming it as a fort.

By the way you were right. Read the only Buddhist book during Sen dynasty " Sunya purana" to know more about sen torture.

He kiled the Brahmins and Monks who were not even armed, which fort has guards without arms; Further he burned the books, why do you think he did this???

I know more about Buddhist literature than you, they are more of mythical story books than real accounts and are rejected by most of the scholars, for instance what they wrote about Ashoka or Harshavardhana... One Buddhist book So kyu ki describes Sri lankan people as demons with multi hands and heads...
There is numerous example to illustrate this, for example they allege Pushyamitra Shunga of klilling Buddhist monks while each and every scholar rejects this theory.
Just to back your words, dont take help of Mythology at least

 

[kobiraaz]

He kiled the Brahmins and Monks who were not even armed, which fort has guards without arms; Further he burned the books, why do you think he did this???

I know more about Buddhist literature than you, they are more of mythical story books than real accounts and are rejected by most of the scholars, for instance what they wrote about Ashoka or Harshavardhana... One Buddhist book So kyu ki describes Sri lankan people as demons with multi hands and heads...
There is numerous example to illustrate this, for example they allege Pushyamitra Shunga of klilling Buddhist monks while each and every scholar rejects this theory.
Just to back your words, dont take help of Mythology at least

Tabakat-E-Nasiri is the only source of what Bakhtiyar did. It doesn't talk about burning books. I wonder what is your source.

 

[Baby-5]

Tabakat-E-Nasiri is the only source of what Bakhtiyar did. It doesn't talk about burning books. I wonder what is your source.

I assume that the rest of my post which you have ignored is true then -

"archaeological evidence (including a small heap of burnt rice) does suggest that a large fire did consume a number of structures in the complex on more than one occasion"
page 214, The University of Nalanda by Sankalia, Hasmukhlal dheerajal
page 56 , A guide to Nalanda by Ghosh, Amlananda

i agree that Nalanda university was already destroyed by Huns before Khilji, but Portraying inoocense of Khilji is just too Callous Just because majumdar endorses this view,Ransacking theory by Bakhtiyar Khilji one of the most acceptable theory by many historians including -
Satish chandra - The history of India From Sultanate to Mughals vol 1 AmlaNanda Ghosh etc etc

Lastly, sadly, there is no difference between huns and Bakhtiyar Khilji at least according to me.

 

[kobiraaz]

I assume that the rest of my post which you have ignored is true then -

"archaeological evidence (including a small heap of burnt rice) does suggest that a large fire did consume a number of structures in the complex on more than one occasion"
page 214, The University of Nalanda by Sankalia, Hasmukhlal dheerajal
page 56 , A guide to Nalanda by Ghosh, Amlananda

i agree that Nalanda university was already destroyed by Huns before Khilji, but Portraying inoocense of Khilji is just too Callous Just because majumdar endorses this view,Ransacking theory by Bakhtiyar Khilji one of the most acceptable theory by many historians including -
Satish chandra - The history of India From Sultanate to Mughals vol 1 AmlaNanda Ghosh etc etc

Lastly, sadly, there is no difference between huns and Bakhtiyar Khilji at least according to me.

You skipped Shashangka. He destroyed Nalanda and cut down bodhi tree from which nalanda never recovered as reported by Tsang.

How many times I need to tell Bakhtiyar destroyed Bihar Sharif not Nalanda. There is no proof historical account or archaeological that his troops was in Nalanda.