Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khilji A hero or Villain to Bangladeshis??

[syed1]

No he was not a Turk, Juzjani and Barani of those times, tell us that Khiljis were not Turks , and from 10th century geography book "Hudud-i-Alam", its clear that Khiljis of Helmand, Zabul , Ghazni etc were none other than Ghilzais of today.

He was a Turkic, not Turk. why people are mixing whole Turkic people with Turks here?

 

[rubyjackass]

Like you I also used to think Khilji destroyed Nalanda. It changed later when I decided to listen to historians of your country. They are divided in opinion. But it's not true that mainstream historians consider him the destroyer of Nalanda. No one has any proof. A few say yes and a few with similar credentials consider no.

No because khilji destroyed Bihar Sharif. It has archeological evisdence that his army was there. Nalanda failed to produce such evidence..Its a fact. Tabakat-E-Nasiri is the only source of his attack on a Bihar. It does not mention Nalanda. So it could be Bihar sharif or Nalanda. As Bihar sharif produces archeological evidence it is safe to assume Tabakat-E-Nasiri is talking about Bihar sharif. I posted my findings here for discussion. I will change my opinion if I am proven false and defend the truth fiercely

If mainstream historians believed in something, history textbooks would have changed. At least within a delay of a decade. Our textbooks no longer talk about Aryan invasion theory. But they also do not tell us the saffronist theory of India-origin.

 

[Saiful Islam]

You have got to understand the deep racism and superiority complex these people feel specially when they compare themselves with us "short dark rice and fish eating Bengali's". Never mind that Japanese, Koreans and their great benefactor Chinese are mostly rice and fish eating as well.

This is the so called Aryan racism that is at the root of Brahminism, White Supremacism, etc.

Any Bangladeshi who have illusions about Pakistan should regularly come to the Bangladesh section of this site and read what these low lives post, then very quickly they will get out of any illusion they may have had about the history between East and West Pakistan, such as the confused Pakistan loving folks at Jamat and other such people's in Bangladesh. These are thieves and murderers we are dealing with here. And many of us were not there to see how they treated our earlier generation in those 24 years, but here we can get a taste of it, fortunately, and thus have the opportunity to clear up our confusion.

The fact that some of us expats interact with them in mosques, schools and work places in Western countries or Mid-east and develop good impressions, this should not confuse us about the real face of these people which we saw in our experience with them between 1947-1971 when we shared a country. So this is the danger with us expats, which we will have to be careful about.

Mohajer's obviously cannot and do not feel this kind of racism as they are much more like us than these native Pakistani ethnics, but unfortunately the ones in then East Pakistan chose the wrong side and lost everything in their bet.

I have noticed that this kind of racism is not unique to Pakistani's, it is also shared by other North Indians towards their eastern and southern neighbors who are not as Aryan. Kashmiri's hatred and dislike of India, who wants to leave less Aryan India to join more Aryan Pakistan is as much or more racial as it is religious.

I don't about know about the Aryan theory but no way do I think the pre 1971 Pakistani dictatorship represents the bulk of Pakistanis, but what I'm trying to say is that this mans views just ruin it for the rest of his people. Also, we interact in western countries because we are all humans we have to live together whether we like it or not, so let's make it easy for each other. And I disagree about the North Indian theory, almost all Indo-Paks I have met have this perception that all Bengalis are short and dark and consume fish on the clock, those exact words make me think are they trying to belittle us? That is why I think it is better if we keep relationship with countries in South Asia at bay. Our history is very different from the way religions entered to the different communities that have settled but we seem to just settle for average and try to associate ourselves with the next biggest neighbor. We are sheep.

We should amplify our sovereignty and bring back our real culture.

 

[Saiful Islam]

(not Mohajer's, they are also victims of this Aryan racism)

I believe it's not a North Indian or a Mohajir thing. None of the factors matter imo, the subcontinent does not know much about the Bengalis. They all hold this perception that Bengalis are dark and short and cannot be of light skin complexion. That's how it is. 5 years ago did the Paks or Indos know there was a small region in Burma bordering South East BD that contained oppressed Rohingyan Muslims.

It's all about being educated. Simple. If you go with hear say all the time then there is only so much you will learn.

 

[waz]

You have got to understand the deep racism and superiority complex these people feel specially when they compare themselves with us "short dark rice and fish eating Bengali's". Never mind that Japanese, Koreans and their great benefactor Chinese are mostly rice and fish eating as well.

This is the so called Aryan racism that is at the root of Brahminism, White Supremacism, etc.

Any Bangladeshi who have illusions about Pakistan should regularly come to the Bangladesh section of this site and read what these low lives post, then very quickly they will get out of any illusion they may have had about the history between East and West Pakistan, such as the confused Pakistan loving folks at Jamat and other such people's in Bangladesh. These are thieves and murderers we are dealing with here. And many of us were not there to see how they treated our earlier generation in those 24 years, but here we can get a taste of it, fortunately, and thus have the opportunity to clear up our confusion.

The fact that some of us expats interact with them in mosques, schools and work places in Western countries or Mid-east and develop good impressions, this should not confuse us about the real face of these people which we saw in our experience with them between 1947-1971 when we shared a country. So this is the danger with us expats, which we will have to be careful about.

Mohajer's obviously cannot and do not feel this kind of racism as they are much more like us than these native Pakistani ethnics, but unfortunately the ones in then East Pakistan chose the wrong side and lost everything in their bet.

I have noticed that this kind of racism is not unique to Pakistani's, it is also shared by other North Indians towards their eastern and southern neighbors who are not as Aryan. Kashmiri's hatred and dislike of India, who want to leave less Aryan India to join more Aryan Pakistan is as much or more racial as it is religious.

The irony here is that you kicked off the fighting in post 48, insulting Pakhtuns and Baluch folk. Now you're going on about "Ayan racism" and the "real face" of Pakistanis. I have never had an issue with any Bengali in my life, nor have I seen any of them come out with the stuff you have.

 

[kalu_miah]

The irony here is that you kicked off the fighting in post 48, insulting Pakhtuns and Baluch folk. Now you're going on about "Ayan racism" and the "real face" of Pakistanis. I have never had an issue with any Bengali in my life, nor have I seen any of them come out with the stuff you have.

Yes, in 1971 all that happened was out of the blue and it was all traitor Bangali's fault. One's own basket of fault is always carried in your back, so self reflection is a pretty hard thing to do.

And Insulting in this forum goes on all the time, I am not the one to start this cycle. I have always behaved well with other well behaved posters, but it is not my fault that you have some rabid dogs here that needs an occasional kick.

 

[kobiraaz]

Bengalis are an enlightened race. They shouldn't meddle in such race based discussion with those who instead of feeding Glucose to their brain, fed it to their muscle.

 

[kobiraaz]

Enlightened race lol.... As for brains n muscles.. You don't have neither... Look at your country ... Also if you a use others aces be prepared to recieve insults in return.

Look at what? That it has surpassed Pakistan in almost all format of human development?

 

[waz]

Yes, in 1971 all that happened was out of the blue and it was all traitor Bangali's fault. One's own basket of fault is always carried in your back, so self reflection is a pretty hard thing to do.

And Insulting in this forum goes on all the time, I am not the one to start this cycle. I have always behaved well with other well behaved posters, but it is not my fault that you have some rabid dogs here that needs an occasional kick.

I had a glimmer of hope that you would reply back logically, alas I'm disappointed.