Mughal Emperors

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Who is you Favorite Mughal Emperor ?
Akbar

Who was the best Mughal Emperor ?
Akbar

Is it fair to label Mughal's as invaders ? Yes Babur was an outsider but Akbar onward they all were settlers . Their Capital was Delhi . For an invader , Capital City or Power center lies in their Home territories ( Foreign lands ) . The subjugated or invaded territories are made to pay taxes to the headquarters that lie in the foreign land .

Mughals united India again just like Mauryans did . They both were Conquerors .
If one is invader , then the other one is also an invader .

 

[Hyde]

All of them were amazing people who managed to rule over present day SAARC nations despite being in minority... Aurengzaib was known for philonthropy among the Muslim world and wrongly accused by non Muslims to malign his reputation but thats not the topic of this thread anyway.

Akbar was great in uniting parts of present day India and introducing new ways of hormony between Muslims and Hindus such as his innovated version of faith which makes no sense for a Muslim, it even casts doubt on his faith whether he could still be regarded as Muslim but that is not part of this thread either

Babur was the founder of Mughal Dynasty and such personalities always inspires me a lot as they do the hard task of establishing writ of the kingdom. He was an invador but wise man.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Akbar knew how to run a empire, that's why he was more respectful of all religions, invited people of all religions in his court and even invented his own faith called deen i illahi. Nonetheless he was a great ruler, the best ruler would still be Babur as he defeated a massive army and conquered Delhi with his small group of warriors.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Aurangzeb->Humayun->Babur is as i would rate them. People dont know a lot about Humayun. One needs to read up on him t know how truly great he was. Even the manner of his death commands respect. His merciful and loving nature. I think apart from Babur he was the only Emperor to know what struggle is.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Aurangzeb->Humayun->Babur is as i would rate them. People dont know a lot about Humayun. One needs to read up on him t know how truly great he was. Even the manner of his death commands respect. His merciful and loving nature. I think apart from Babur he was the only Emperor to know what struggle is.

I was taught if was an addict and Drunkard .
Any truth in that ?

I wonder Why Akbar isn't famous among Pakistanis ?

 

[Bhupendra Singh_Cyan]

All killers in one way or the other. I don't know why people enjoy discussing all this be it Mauryan or somebody else too.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

All killers in one way or the other. I don't know why people enjoy discussing all this be it Mauryan or somebody else too.

Warriors Kill at the times of War and Govern at the times of Peace .

 

[Kabira]

Babur for establishing great empire which will go on to rule must of current day SAARC for centuries.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Heck No. Babur was opium addict not Humayun. Research him, read up on him and you will understand what i mean.

I was taught if was an addict and Drunkard .
Any truth in that ?

I wonder Why Akbar isn't famous among Pakistanis ?

I dont think thats true. I for one am not biggest fan of Akbar, Jahangir and Shah Jehan. But Many here love these 3. There is no disputing the fact that Akbar was gifted administrator and there is nothing wrong in giving non Mulims powers they deserve but i still dont like these Lover Boys, and their extravagant life style. These 3 couldve done so much more for India than they did and i loathe them for it. By the time of Aurangzeb it was already too late.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Shah Jahan under whom arts flourished

Akbar under his reign there was limited progress made in science and technology after a long gap.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Heck No. Babur was opium addict not Humayun. Research him, read up on him and you will understand what i mean.

I dont think thats true. I for one am not biggest fan of Akbar, Jahangir and Shah Jehan. But Many here love these 3. There is no disputing the fact that Akbar was gifted administrator and there is nothing wrong in giving non Mulims powers they deserve but i still dont like these Lover Boys, and their extravagant life style. These 3 couldve done so much more for India than they did and i loathe them for it. By the time of Aurangzeb it was already too late.

Bit mystifying.

Care to elaborate?

1. What don't you like about Akbar, Jahangir and Shah Jehan? That they had multiple consorts?
2. Why is there a problem in choosing on merit, rather than on religious affiliation? Why did you find it necessary to say that "...there is nothing wrong in giving non Muslims powers they deserve..."? Why does it not seem necessary to say "...there is nothing wrong in giving Muslims powers they deserve..."?
3. What could the three of them have done for India that they did not do?
4. What was it that Aurangzeb did for India that the others did not do?

 

[Max]

Babur and Humayun, they know the meaning of struggle.. rest were born with Golden spoons.

 

[saiyan0321]

Well I personally like Babur bcz he created the mughal empire and defeated a massive army to do so. It is not easy to do this. He was the reason mughal empire came to be. He didn't have a large army yet he was victorious due to his great ability and strategical mind set.

Next is Akbar bcz he solidified the rule. His actions may be questionable but no doubt he laid the foundation of the rule that would go up to 1857. His expansion was amazing as well as he secured northern India and consolidated his rule. He also created various system on governance as well as military that made mughals a powerful force. His ability to create alliances were exemplary as well. Its not always about expansions and conquests and internal rule. You need to have good relations with nations bordering your frontier. Foreign policy.

Then Aurangzeb. Many don't like Aurangzeb but we must realize that Aurangzeb inherited a vast empire that was basically bankrupt and he has to take measures to combat this as well as unite an empire that was deep down fragmenting bcz when the hold of the empire weakens, not only external but internal issues rise up. In his time the mughal empire reached its maximum expansion as well.

All three of them did many good things as well bad things. Often we forgo the good and remember the bad with those we hate and often we remember the good and forgo the bad with the people we love. We must always when looking at these men realize the responsibility and the burden they had to bear and the environment they were raised at. These decisions are not easy and how many of us would have done things differently or would have done anything at all.


In my personal opinion. I never liked shah jehan and jahngir. The reason is that they inherited a very vast and rich empire. The very back bone of an empire is its economy. This is the main reason amongst many expansion attempts and invasion attemots. Its not bcz of Islam mehmood of ghaznavi ransacked the temple of somnath which conveniently housed tonnes of gold or the mongols went after the the khawazerm and Abbasid empires. Economy and money is a huge factor and ironically its the most ignored factor. Some of the largest and prosperous empires in history find their solidity on economy. Its not just about well trained soldiers or skilled governance. You need money to pay for those well trained soldiers and their training and good governance. Where was I? Oh right I don't like jehangir and shah jehan. In my personal opinion they squandered the wealth on luxuries. Yes they made monuments and wonders like the taj mahal or the peacock throne ( which bankrupted the empire) but the cost was to grave. Their squander of wealth made it very difficult to run the empire for later generations or to even create a revival. Effective governance is not just building great monuments or armies or expansion. Its about consolidation and economy. They completely ruined it bcz of their great tastes. The result was that the mughal empire was left powerless by 1850s and the Fall started in 1750s. Their weakness attracted the British and the Europeans who were massive colonists and expansionists. Heck they started tearing the ottoman empire apart in the 1800s when they discovered its territory was up for grabs and they couldn't defend it. Adequate modern defence which is finds its source through a great economy. If that money had been spent on naval power not only would the mughals would have expanded further away but would have also been able to secure their coastlines.

Tch.

Anyhoe there are lessons to be learned in the rule of every ruler and they all have their dos and donts. They can teach so much if only we are willing to learn. The term " history repeats itself" is ironic term. A joke bcz it highlights the blind character of man that man does not learn from history thus history repeats itself bcz the lessons it teaches us are ignored.


I have often liked the conversation between hulugu khan and the last caliph of the abbasids.

When they conquered Baghdad they found jewels and rubies and treasures in their beds. Rubies in their pillows. Hulugu sees this and asks the caliph why has your city fallen. The caliph answers that it's the will of God. Hulugu says no. Had you spent this treasure on training your army and fortifying your defences, your city would not have fallen. So you incur the wrath of God and I am that wrath. After which he either has him burned alive in his treasures or has his trampeled in his awesome carpet by horses.

Lesson of the story. Squander of wealth is the destroyer of nations.

 

[M.AsfandYar]

Bit mystifying.

Care to elaborate?

1. What don't you like about Akbar, Jahangir and Shah Jehan? That they had multiple consorts?
2. Why is there a problem in choosing on merit, rather than on religious affiliation? Why did you find it necessary to say that "...there is nothing wrong in giving non Muslims powers they deserve..."? Why does it not seem necessary to say "...there is nothing wrong in giving Muslims powers they deserve..."?
3. What could the three of them have done for India that they did not do?
4. What was it that Aurangzeb did for India that the others did not do?

1. Nothing wrong with having multiple consorts.
2. Not answering as you are looking for something in my words that i did not intend at all. As i said my problem with them is purely related to extravaganza and problems borne out of it.
3. They forced a rising empire into stagnation. No New Laws were formed. I would go in detail but as it happens i have exam in 60 mins.
4. In contrast absolutely nothing. He did all he could to retain what he had. ( I havent studied him that much, so my knowledge is limited.

 

[Jamwal's]

Nobility and Elite Ruling class

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