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Move to reduce foreigners, hire more locals in jobs

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Reyad Hossain
21 August, 2021, 10:35 pm
Last modified: 21 August, 2021, 10:48 pm


As per the existing guidelines, for every foreign worker hired, a business entity must employ five locals
Move to reduce foreigners, hire more locals in jobs


The Bangladesh Investment Development Authority (Bida) has come up with a set of recommendations like mandating foreign worker hiring ratio at every tier of job, particularly at mid-level management, in different sectors to offer more job opportunities to the country's own pool of skilled workforce.

As per the existing guidelines, for every foreign worker hired, a business entity must employ five locals.

But capitalising on no instructions on conforming to the ratio at every level, multinational companies mainly recruit foreign nationals for mid-level management jobs, leaving many local deserving candidates out of luck.

They now maintain the ratio in hiring only at low-level jobs.

When it comes to employing workers in the manufacturing sector, an ongoing industrial project needs to have 10 local workers for every foreign worker hired. The permissible cap goes down to 20:1 when the new facility goes into production.

The permissible percentage of foreigners for educational institutions is a little over 9% of total employees and they also will have to comply with such a limit in hiring at every level.

Bida in its draft proposal suggests that the government amend the existing guidelines for foreign worker recruitment with a view to making it mandatory for all employers that they abide by the hiring ratio at all job level. The draft proposal will be presented to the Prime Minister's Office next month.

Local entrepreneurs say if the proposed amendment secures approval, local skilled people will get more opportunities at management levels. This will also allow the government to control the number of foreign workers to a permissible limit.

At the same time, it will be possible to stop the huge amount of money going abroad legally and illegally through the recruitment of foreign nationals, they add.

Ariful Haque, director of Bida, told The Business Standard, "We prepared the proposal to increase job opportunities for Bangladeshi workers at the top level of different companies."

However, representatives of foreign investors think such a proposal might send a wrong message to foreign investors abroad.

Rupali Haque Chowdhury, president of the Foreign Investors Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said, "Imposing more restrictions on the recruitment of foreign nationals would send the wrong message to foreign investors and increase the burden on compliant companies. If there are any irregularities, actions should be taken according to the law."

"We lack skilled and qualified manpower in many fields. If foreign experts do not come there, the sectors will not develop. We should see what other countries are doing," she said.

Bida in its draft proposal also suggests penalising and even blacklisting foreigners for staying in Bangladesh without a work permit.

Besides, the investment authority recommends changing the procedure of permitting the setting up of branches, liaison or representative offices, and project offices of foreign companies.

The procedure for granting work permits to foreign nationals will be amended too, according to the proposal.

Bida has already sent letters to ministries and divisions concerned, and business associations, seeking their opinions on the draft proposal.

Besides, Bida proposed some amendments to ensure transparency in expenses of companies while paying foreign workers.

According to the proposal, no salary allowance or benefit can be taken outside the country without Bida's permission. If a foreign worker leaves the country without paying income tax, their employers will have to pay that.

In Bangladesh, a significant number of foreigners work in local offices of various buying houses in the readymade garment sector.

Kazi Iftequer Hossain, president of Bangladesh Garment Buying House Association (BGBA), said, "Foreign nationals only can be recruited in job levels where there are shortages of manpower with technical knowledge."

"Bangladeshi manpower is now sufficiently qualified to cater to the demand of the apparel sector and buying houses. There is no need to recruit foreign nationals in these sectors anymore," he added.

The BGBA president said over 1,000 foreign nationals are currently working in 300 out of 1,800 buying houses under his organisation.

Officials of Bangladesh Knitwear Manufacturers and Exporters Association (BKMEA) said they will send their opinion on Bida's draft proposal this week.

BKMEA director Fazlee Shamim Ehsan told TBS, "Some projects like Padma Bridge, Rooppur Nuclear Power plant require hiring of foreigners with technical knowledge. Apart from this, our own workforce is good enough for almost all jobs in other sectors, including RMG and textile industries."

Ahsan H Mansur, executive director of Policy Research Institute, said, "We have to bring in foreigners if we do not have expert manpower. But it will not be wise to impose more restrictions on foreign workers."

Bida's proposal also mentions that the regulations can be relaxed if necessary.

According to Bida, in sectors where there are Bangladeshi skilled workers, priority should be given to them. In addition, even if foreign workers are hired, they will have to submit a proper action plan to the government to transfer their specialised technical knowledge to local workers within five years. If the action plan is not implemented, the work permit of the foreign employees will not be extended.

The contribution of a foreign worker in enhancing skills of his subordinates will be taken into account while considering the extension of their work permit, the Bida proposal reads.

The draft proposal also aims to prevent foreigners from coming to the country on tourist visas and working illegally. People with such visas will not be allowed to work in the country and multiple trips for them will be discouraged.

If an employer breaks these rules, the government will take actions against them.
No specific data on foreign workers
There is no specific data on the number of foreign workers in Bangladesh, but people concerned say the number will be several lakhs.

According to the home ministry, the number is 86,000 and most of them are Indians. As per Transparency International Bangladesh (TIB), the figure is at least 2.5 lakh, of them, only 90,000 are legal workers.

The National Board of Revenue in 2020 disclosed that more than 14,000 foreign nationals have submitted income tax returns, meaning that all of them have work permits.
The National Skill Development Authority, an institute under the office of the prime minister, revealed at a workshop in 2019 that foreign nationals working in Bangladesh remit about $6 billion every year to their countries.

A report, published by the Centre for Policy Dialogue in 2015, said Bangladesh has become the third-largest remittance source of India, as Indian nationals sent home around $3.7 billion in 2013.

According to TIB, foreigners working in Bangladesh are illegally sending around $3 billion to their countries a year.

Foreign nationals are working in 32 sectors, including garment industries and buying companies, merchandising companies, NGOs, information and communication technology (ICT) sector, education, engineering institutes, consulting firms, multinational companies, private power plants, international contractors, hotel-restaurants, mobile phone companies, oil and gas companies among others. They usually are involved in mid-level management and higher positions.

According to people concerned, there is a lack of coordination between the organisations responsible for overseeing the employment of foreign nationals in the country.

They say there is no specific policy in this regard.
In 2016, the NBR formed a taskforce to gather detailed information on the number of foreign nationals, their income, income tax and their employers. But, that initiative has now been stalled due to a lack of coordination.

The NBR has a provision to impose a 50% penalty on the income tax of an organisation if it employs foreign nationals without a work permit. But there is no information about any organisation being fined under this provision.

According to the Dhaka Chamber of Commerce & Industry, around 2.2 million people enter the job market in the country every year but a large part of them do not get any job.

As per the Bangladesh Institute of Development Studies (BIDS) study, the educated unemployment rate in the country was 33.32% in 2019. The Covid-19 pandemic, which started last year, has made the situation worse.

Industry insiders say Bangladeshi workers have not yet become a substitute for foreigners in some jobs as they lack information technology and technical knowledge and foreigners are taking advantage of this.

More than 40 foreigners are working in Sparrow Group, one of the largest readymade garment exporters in the country.

Shovon Islam, managing director of the company, told TBS, "Bangladeshi workers are still lagging behind in tasks such as merchandising, marketing, price negotiation, different technical works and product design. That is why foreigners have to be recruited. But local people are gradually becoming more efficient."
 
:laugh: Who in the world will come to BD to work illegally? There are places in the world with much higher salaries for manual labour, English language, and less zealous law enforcement. Take Malaysia for example: gazillions of foreign illegals, including people from white countries. Or Dubai, where you have a substantial presence of coming, and going business people on tourist visas, about whom locals don't care at all. Or even Vietnam, which has a very strange community of irregularly employed Western hobo hipsters, and freelancers.

On other hand it makes moving a small business into BD near impossible.

Imagine you have a team of 50 people in the intellectual line of work: engineering co, software development outsourcing, architectural bureau, chemical, or biological RnD, marketing agency, management consulting e.t.c.

Each, and every employee there took months to find, hire, and convince to stay beyond few years. And it took years for the company to create its senior manager team: for all people to learn to fit with each other, and understand their place in the business.

Imagine, even if you can isolate a group of core managers whom you can't lose at all, or the business is dead. So if you run management consulting for example, imagine, it means in a collective of 50 people, you take ~10-20 people with you, and that you have to instantly hire at a minimum 30 management consultants, and 10 support/admin staff — complete absurd.

Even if you do proceed with that absurd plan, you will probably get very random people who will be of no immediate use at all, while getting a lot of excessive filler people to do things like admin jobs.

Even if you do it all by yourself, you will get to hire 4 more people.

P.S. Pakistan has no such nonsense, but a lot of own equally showstopper peculiarities too.
 
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:laugh: Who in the world will come to BD to work illegally? There are places in the world with much higher salaries for manual labour, English language, and less zealous law enforcement. Take Malaysia for example: gazillions of foreign illegals, including people white countries. Or Dubai, where you have a substantial presence of coming, and going business people of tourist visas, about whom locals don't care at all. Or even Vietnam, which has a very strange community of irregularly employed Western hobo hipsters, and freelancers.

On other hand it makes moving a small business into BD near impossible.

Imagine you have a team of 50 people in the intellectual line of work: engineering co, software development outsourcing, architectural bureau, chemical, or biological RnD, marketing agency, management consulting e.t.c.

Each, and every employee there took months to find, hire, and convince to stay beyond few years. And it took years for the company to create its senior manager team: for all people to learn to fit with each other, and understand their place in the business.

Imagine, even if you can isolate a group of core managers whom you can't lose at all, or the business is dead. So if you run management consulting for example, imagine, it means in a collective of 50 people, you take ~10-20 people with you, and that you have to instantly hire at a minimum 30 management consultants, and 10 support/admin staff — complete absurd.

Even if you do proceed with that absurd plan, you will probably get very random people who will be of no immediate use at all, while getting a lot of excessive filler people to do things like admin jobs.

Even if you do it all by yourself, you will get to hire 4 more people.

P.S. Pakistan has no such nonsense, but a lot of own equally showstopper peculiarities too.
we are poor country sir as you know
 
:laugh: Who in the world will come to BD to work illegally? There are places in the world with much higher salaries for manual labour, English language, and less zealous law enforcement. Take Malaysia for example: gazillions of foreign illegals, including people white countries. Or Dubai, where you have a substantial presence of coming, and going business people of tourist visas, about whom locals don't care at all. Or even Vietnam, which has a very strange community of irregularly employed Western hobo hipsters, and freelancers.

On other hand it makes moving a small business into BD near impossible.

Imagine you have a team of 50 people in the intellectual line of work: engineering co, software development outsourcing, architectural bureau, chemical, or biological RnD, marketing agency, management consulting e.t.c.

Each, and every employee there took months to find, hire, and convince to stay beyond few years. And it took years for the company to create its senior manager team: for all people to learn to fit with each other, and understand their place in the business.

Imagine, even if you can isolate a group of core managers whom you can't lose at all, or the business is dead. So if you run management consulting for example, imagine, it means in a collective of 50 people, you take ~10-20 people with you, and that you have to instantly hire at a minimum 30 management consultants, and 10 support/admin staff — complete absurd.

Even if you do proceed with that absurd plan, you will probably get very random people who will be of no immediate use at all, while getting a lot of excessive filler people to do things like admin jobs.

Even if you do it all by yourself, you will get to hire 4 more people.

P.S. Pakistan has no such nonsense, but a lot of own equally showstopper peculiarities too.

Clearly you have never been to Bangladesh.

Illegal Indians (and some illegal Sri Lankans) of all stripes are freely working in Bangladesh because the govt. won't enforce the rules on the books. These are mostly Visa over-stayers who don't pay one red cent in taxes and repatriate their earning using the Hundi informal channels. Ten years ago the conservative estimate number of illegal Indians in Bangladesh was 5,00,000. It should be several times that number by now.


 
Clearly you have never been to Bangladesh.

Illegal Indians (and some illegal Sri Lankans) of all stripes are freely working in Bangladesh because the govt. won't enforce the rules on the books. These are mostly Visa over-stayers who don't pay one red cent in taxes and repatriate their earning using the Hundi informal channels. Ten years ago the conservative estimate number of illegal Indians in Bangladesh was 5,00,000. It should be several times that number by now.


For what reason on earth do Sri Lankans go to Bangladesh? I know Lanka is a way more wealthier country.
Clearly you have never been to Bangladesh.
How on Earth can I figure out who is an illegal Indian migrant in Bangladesh? I barely can tell Sichuanese people from South Chinese, let alone being able to tell South Asians apart.
 
"We lack skilled and qualified manpower in many fields. If foreign experts do not come there, the sectors will not develop. We should see what other countries are doing," she said.

Foreign nationals are working in 32 sectors, including garment industries and buying companies, merchandising companies, NGOs, information and communication technology (ICT) sector, education, engineering institutes, consulting firms, multinational companies, private power plants, international contractors, hotel-restaurants, mobile phone companies, oil and gas companies among others. They usually are involved in mid-level management and higher positions.

Industry insiders say Bangladeshi workers have not yet become a substitute for foreigners in some jobs as they lack information technology and technical knowledge and foreigners are taking advantage of this.

This high number of foreign professionals in Bangladesh due to the lack of competent ones in Bangladesh does validate a previous WB report about the manufacturing sector in Bangladesh.

''Nonetheless, technical and managerial expertise levels are low in most Bangladeshi firms. More than 75 percent of firms do not have any workers with a college degree in engineering or applied science. The mean percentage of the workforce with an MBA or master’s level degree is only 2.4 percent. More than 75 percent of firms have no dedicated R&D workers. Furthermore, 55 percent of firms are managed by a person without a college degree''

WB says that many firms do not even follow basic management principles and lag behind their peers in technology adoption.

''Although robots, 3D printing and the Internet of Things (IoT) capture media headlines, most Bangladeshi firms still use basic or near-basic technologies. Around half the firms in Bangladesh’s manufacturing sector still use handwritten processes for business management; around one-third of firms do not monitor any key performance indicators (KPIs); and most firms still use fully manual or powered but manually operated basic machinery across production stages. Firms need to be enabled to climb the technology ladder''

Looks like it's better for Bangladesh's industrial sector to keep those foreigners around than to hand over the managerial positions to someone without even a college degree.

Also, Bangladeshi forumers here might talk about their country doing cutting-edge R&D in electronics & even developing ballistic missiles & SAMs, but looks like reality is very different.
 
For what reason on earth do Sri Lankans go to Bangladesh? I know Lanka is a way more wealthier country.



To make money.. There's no money to be made in Sri Lanka... There is in BD.. GDP per capita means nothing in this sense.. It's about how much money is flowing through BD and how many bucks are up for grabs.. same reason English people come to Arabia to teach English..
This high number of foreign professionals in Bangladesh due to the lack of competent ones in Bangladesh does validate a previous WB report about the manufacturing sector in Bangladesh.

''Nonetheless, technical and managerial expertise levels are low in most Bangladeshi firms. More than 75 percent of firms do not have any workers with a college degree in engineering or applied science. The mean percentage of the workforce with an MBA or master’s level degree is only 2.4 percent. More than 75 percent of firms have no dedicated R&D workers. Furthermore, 55 percent of firms are managed by a person without a college degree''

WB says that many firms do not even follow basic management principles and lag behind their peers in technology adoption.

''Although robots, 3D printing and the Internet of Things (IoT) capture media headlines, most Bangladeshi firms still use basic or near-basic technologies. Around half the firms in Bangladesh’s manufacturing sector still use handwritten processes for business management; around one-third of firms do not monitor any key performance indicators (KPIs); and most firms still use fully manual or powered but manually operated basic machinery across production stages. Firms need to be enabled to climb the technology ladder''

Looks like it's better for Bangladesh's industrial sector to keep those foreigners around than to hand over the managerial positions to someone without even a college degree.

Also, Bangladeshi forumers here might talk about their country doing cutting-edge R&D in electronics & even developing ballistic missiles & SAMs, but looks like reality is very different.


Actually we have qualified locals.. it is just that the system is stacked against them and they leave abroad.. when they are at home, nobody hires them as everyone thinks a foreigner will always do a better job than a local.. The whole issue is borne out of sheer misconception of industry leaders.
 
To make money.. There's no money to be made in Sri Lanka... There is in BD.. GDP per capita means nothing in this sense.. It's about how much money is flowing through BD and how many bucks are up for grabs.. same reason English people come to Arabia to teach English..



Actually we have qualified locals.. it is just that the system is stacked against them and they leave abroad.. when they are at home, nobody hires them as everyone thinks a foreigner will always do a better job than a local.. The whole issue is borne out of sheer misconception of industry leaders.

Not only that a quailed Bangladeshi will charge way more then an Indian for example. One of my distant relative hired an Chemical Engineer supposedly with an MBA from USA (I highly doubt about the authenticity of the degree). With 1.5 lakh taka per month he works almost 24 hours a day and goes and stay in any part of Bangladesh as required. The later part is another reason for not hiring the local as they are choosy to go to remote places which is not the case for an Indian. They collect the salary and transfer to India through hundi without paying any taxes which they would hardly get in India.
 
Not only that a quailed Bangladeshi will charge way more then an Indian for example. One of my distant relative hired an Chemical Engineer supposedly with an MBA from USA (I highly doubt about the authenticity of the degree). With 1.5 lakh taka per month he works almost 24 hours a day and goes and stay in any part of Bangladesh as required. The later part is another reason for not hiring the local as they are choosy to go to remote places which is not the case for an Indian. They collect the salary and transfer to India through hundi without paying any taxes which they would hardly get in India.


and they work on and overstay their visit visas...
 
Not only that a quailed Bangladeshi will charge way more then an Indian for example. One of my distant relative hired an Chemical Engineer supposedly with an MBA from USA (I highly doubt about the authenticity of the degree). With 1.5 lakh taka per month he works almost 24 hours a day and goes and stay in any part of Bangladesh as required. The later part is another reason for not hiring the local as they are choosy to go to remote places which is not the case for an Indian. They collect the salary and transfer to India through hundi without paying any taxes which they would hardly get in India.
and they work on and overstay their visit visas...
Seems like justification for incompetence.

But anyways, all countries that import manpower do so to get menial / low paying jobs done and leave out managerial and leadership positions to locals. But seems Bangladesh is reverse which infact speaks about the mental capabilities of Bangladeshis. I think this is a right move till it is found a wrong move.
 
Actually we have qualified locals.. it is just that the system is stacked against them and they leave abroad.. when they are at home, nobody hires them as everyone thinks a foreigner will always do a better job than a local.. The whole issue is borne out of sheer misconception of industry leaders.

The number of scientific papers/ patents does show that there is not much of ''technical expertise'' in Bangladesh- and that is not a matter of perception. Neither does the lack of managerial expertise/ technology adoption in Bangladeshi-managed firms. But anyway.

Highly skilled manpower exports will be reflected on the remittances as high remittance/ expat population. Does your data show the same?
 
Clearly you have never been to Bangladesh.

Illegal Indians (and some illegal Sri Lankans) of all stripes are freely working in Bangladesh because the govt. won't enforce the rules on the books. These are mostly Visa over-stayers who don't pay one red cent in taxes and repatriate their earning using the Hundi informal channels. Ten years ago the conservative estimate number of illegal Indians in Bangladesh was 5,00,000. It should be several times that number by now.


Illegal or what we should understand why a company Owner should employ a foreigner. It is because the employers find young guys from SL, India, and Pakistan to possess more managerial capacity comparing to the locals many of whom would start politicizing the atmosphere.

These foreigners are educated, can read, write and speak fluently in correct English, they can communicate with foreign buyers in English. They know how to use the Internet. They are capable of organizing working teams and efficiently distribute works among the teams/ individuals. They certainly know how many hands are needed to accomplish a certain volume of works in a certain time limit.

In any private sector, an employer cares little about academic certificates but watches his employees' organizing power, whether he can lead a team or if he understands the true meaning of work schedule or delivery time. Employers may find local people lack self-discipline and remain unfit for mid-level jobs even after a few years of field experience.

It is of no concern if India is good or bad. The issue is if Indians and others are more capable to deliver the works that they were assigned by their superiors. BD depends too much on exports and foreign managers are needed to reach the export goal until the locals can replace them with their virtues, human qualities, and strict discipline.

I have met a few SL and Pakistani guys in some factories in Mawna, Gazipur. They seemed to be quite capable. They talk less and are very specific, unlike our people.
 
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The number of scientific papers/ patents does show that there is not much of ''technical expertise'' in Bangladesh- and that is not a matter of perception. Neither does the lack of managerial expertise/ technology adoption in Bangladeshi-managed firms. But anyway.

Highly skilled manpower exports will be reflected on the remittances as high remittance/ expat population. Does your data show the same?


If they leave Bangladesh for US and Europe how will they show up in any data ?
Seems like justification for incompetence.

speaks about the mental capabilities of Bangladeshis..




Speak for yourself, swathes of Indians worship toilets and defecate on streets.. thereby demonstrating the average Indians IQ level.
 
Illegal or what we should understand why a company Owner should employ a foreigner. It is because the employers find young guys from SL, India, and Pakistan to possess more managerial capacity comparing to the locals many of whom would start politicizing the atmosphere.

These foreigners are educated, can read, write and speak fluently in correct English, they can communicate with foreign buyers in English. They know how to use the Internet. They are capable of organizing working teams and efficiently distribute works among the teams/ individuals. They certainly know how many hands are needed to accomplish a certain volume of works in a certain time limit.

In any private sector, an employer cares little about academic certificates but watches his employees' organizing power, whether he can lead a team or if he understands the true meaning of work schedule or delivery time. Employers may find local people lack self-discipline and remain unfit for mid-level jobs even after few years of field experience.

It is of no concern if India is good or bad. The issue is if Indians and others are more capable to deliver the works that they were assigned by their superiors. BD depends too much on exports and foreign managers are needed to reach the export goal until the locals can replace them with their virtues, human qualities, and strict discipline.

I have met a few SL and Pakistani guys in some factories in Mawna, Gazipur. They seemed to be quite capable. They talk less and are very specific, unlike our people.

Issue is not whether Indian or any other foreigners are working. But the thing is they mostly staying here illegally over staying tourist visa, transferring the money to India though hundi, plus once they are here even for many entry level or intermediate level position they start hiring Indians which affect local talent tremendously.

For the top part what you have said was true back in 90s or early 2000. But I don’t believe it’s the case any more that’s why there is a push to change this practice.

How Bangladeshi talent is taking over top positions in MNCs


Over 50 Bangladeshis now lead multinationals

 
Issue is not whether Indian or any other foreigners are working. But the thing is they mostly staying here illegally over staying tourist visa, transferring the money to India though hundi, plus once they are here even for many entry level or intermediate level position they start hiring Indians which affect local talent tremendously.

For the top part what you have said was true back in 90s or early 2000. But I don’t believe it’s the case any more that’s why there is a push to change this practice.

How Bangladeshi talent is taking over top positions in MNCs


Over 50 Bangladeshis now lead multinationals


You are talking as if they are leading MNC's as a whole not just the their branch in Bangladesh. The fact that you would post this shows incompetence in Bangladesh for so long.
 
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