‘Mountain corps is being armed by reserve equipment’

[Dillinger]

China was very deeply infiltrated by the KGB(like India). Wonder where those 'assets' went. IMO even if specialist teams are created they won't be declassified. Who knows, the MSC can itself have 'special forces' who may be named as simple Pioneer Companies or (God forbid) Brandenburgers!

They won't be embedded with the MSC, that is unlikely. The MSC is meant to pick a spot and open a front along said point on the LAC, give the Chinese something to think about if they try and cross over. That and more, all that has been explained quite a while back (on the border infra thread). The sf ops will come under the para-sf, and they have what it takes to conduct such ops if need be.

That is good, but I still believe a SF Division lethal and covert by nature is sufficient enough to put enemy brigade on knees before they even act. It's just about timing and proper information.

SF units can run intervention, they cannot win you the war on their own. At the end of the day the humble Indian soldier, the boot on the ground that holds the line is what you will need. We already have the SF units required, their capabilities can of course always be increased as per the projected need.

For the NE the SARDAP-NE needs to be completed ASAP. That's the first agenda on the table along with the strategic railway lines.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Yeah they will be used for offensive purpose but only after the Chinese attack us

Not exactly. If we have any information on first attack, strike formations are made to attack first and seize territory.. Its an offensive formation..

 

[Screambowl]

For the NE the SARDAP-NE needs to be completed ASAP. That's the first agenda on the table along with the strategic railway lines.

Yes, that's why I am saying , as the toll of deaths is going up in Assam. Funded by who we know it. And in that theatre, unless until we ask Mayanmar to take action, these milita groups won't be eliminated. Mayanmar suffers similar problem, and without telling any one, we need to act. Infiltrate as much as possible, and government knows that.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

They won't be embedded with the MSC, that is unlikely. The MSC is meant to pick a spot and open a front along said point on the LAC, give the Chinese something to think about if they try and cross over. That and more, all that has been explained quite a while back (on the border infra thread). The sf ops will come under the para-sf, and they have what it takes to conduct such ops if need be.

For the NE the SARDAP-NE needs to be completed ASAP. That's the first agenda on the table along with the strategic railway lines.

Unlikely*, but not impossible. As for the rest, the MSC aiming for a Schwerpunkt is obvious.

*Embedding in the OOB of the MSC is certainly not a likely option, SF comes under a different hierarchy. But 'mountain specialists' and the like can be inducted (and most likely will be) under the cover of 'MSC recruitment'.

 

[Dillinger]

Unlikely*, but not impossible. As for the rest, the MSC aiming for a Schwerpunkt is obvious.

*Embedding in the OOB of the MSC is certainly not a likely option, SF comes under a different hierarchy. But 'mountain specialists' and the like can be inducted (and most likely will be) under the cover of 'MSC recruitment'.

The MSC will be comprised of mountain specialists itself, ergo the whole "mountain strike" part. The SF can very well be the spear, deploying and holding ground as advance elements till the body of the MSC gets there to relieve them. I can't locate the darned infra thread. Had explained the MSC's role in great detail and context, I believe Oscar had bookmarked it, will ask him.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The MSC will be comprised of mountain specialists itself, ergo the whole "mountain strike" part. The SF can very well be the spear, deploying and holding ground as advance elements till the body of the MSC gets there to relieve them. I can't locate the darned infra thread. Had explained the MSC's role in great detail and context, I believe Oscar had bookmarked it, will ask him.

By specialists, I meant of a different kind, if you know what I mean.
SF alone is useless, they are an addon, albeit a very valuable one.

 

[janon]

That is good, but I still believe a SF Division lethal and covert by nature is sufficient enough to put enemy brigade on knees before they even act. It's just about timing and proper information.

If it takes one division to take care of one enemy brigade, then they are not very special. Quite the contrary, actually.

Spec forces do not operate as division or brigade sized formations. By definition, they work in small units, from a four man team to a company at most.

 

[Screambowl]

If it takes one division to take care of one enemy brigade, then they are not very special. Quite the contrary, actually.

Spec forces do not operate as division or brigade sized formations. By definition, they work in small units, from a four man team to a company at most.

agreed.
But strength wise, we need to have one division more of sff.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

@Koovie @The_Sidewinder
That's not exactly the crux of the issue. Any new corps or formation takes time to raise, make battle ready and deploy. The issue being highlighted here is the fact that the army has had to dip into the war wastage reserves in order to arm the new formations.

Is this because the army did not project the required need for acquisitions carefully? The answer is no. The IA does not need to hold off. What has happened is- While the MSC will cost Rs 67,000 crore over a period of seven years, the VCAS has told the Standing Committee that no additional money has been allocated for this. He says: “We are not getting additional budget. A certain amount of about Rs. 5,000 crore has been set aside saying that this is meant for the Mountain Corps. But this is not over and above the budget. So, we need money over and above the budget if we are able to make up all the stores and weapons which we have pulled out from the War Wastage Reserves for the initial raisings”.


Parliament’s Standing Committee on defence has noted the above in its findings after the VCAS informed them of the same.

Thanks for clearifying the details sir. I was looking at the saga from a wrong angle & guess ignored the main point.

 

[Wolfhound]

when do plan to re-equip them with modern equipment?

 

[The_Sidewinder]

An elaborated plan should be drawn to equip the raising and a corps. Some project managements technique and Inventory management techniques can be very useful. e. g. Vital and low cost inventory should be stocked first and desirable high cost inventory should be procured last. All the requirements should be forecasted well in advance to avoid emergency purchase or stock out situation. Once the plan is finalized, it should be followed strictly with making people responsible for that and making financial support available in time.

& MBA's like me should be appointed to look after everything mentioned above.

 

[janon]

when do plan to re-equip them with modern equipment?

"War reserves" does not mean obsolete. It just means what was reserved for war. They could be modern or not.

 

[Rafi]

Well I know that our Intel - helped with a lot of HUMINT - regarding indian ORBAT - with the PLA, they have huge SIGINT and COMINT - capability regarding india.

This raising of the mountain corps is too little, to late - the PLA could over run indian positions within a matter of hours - and everyone knows it, the corps is just that in name - it has neither the trained personnel or equipment or basic facilities - such as barracks - no artillery etc.

 

[Wolfhound]

"War reserves" does not mean obsolete. It just means what was reserved for war. They could be modern or not.

over half of the current indian army equipment is obsolete and currently being replaced and you expect me to believe that your war reserves have modern weapons?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Well I know that our Intel - helped with a lot of HUMINT - regarding indian ORBAT - with the PLA, they have huge SIGINT and COMINT - capability regarding india.

This raising of the mountain corps is too little, to late - the PLA could over run indian positions within a matter of hours - and everyone knows it, the corps is just that in name - it has neither the trained personnel or equipment or basic facilities - such as barracks - no artillery etc.

"too little, too late"? Hardly. Unless the PLA invades India tomorrow it is NEVER too late. In a decade or so this MSC will be more than sufficient to protect India's NE from any PLA misadventure. Attack helos, arty, small arms, logistic equipment and transport a/c backing them up are all yet to be ordered but are on their way no doubt. Additionally all requisite infrastructure is and will be raised of course.