More Israeli fear-mongering....

[PeaceGen]

The country vetoing resolutions against Israel calling for justice is the USA. They are the only nation that keeps preventing justice. The other few stupid nations such as Canada were all overwhelmed with nations in support for justice. The security council US vote is what's sickening.

You know what's also sickening? My country (NL) gives 60 million euro to the Palestinians each year in development aid. 4 million of that at least is given to the families of terrorists that are in jail or dead. And the more people those guys killed, the higher the payout to their families.

We'll talk about getting resolutions (reasonable ones only!) against the Israelis passed, when you stop advocating to kill Israelis and to try to destroy Israel.

 

[haman10]

Lucky to you Hamas tunnel was discovered:

lucky to u , your mouse'aad fellas are doing very good in getting bitchslaped every day by palestinian armed forces

 

[Falcon29]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Ogaden

2000 civilian casualties from 1995-2008, and no mention of how it was NATO forces that got those people killed.

If you know the movie Blackhawk down, you know the battles I'm speaking of.

List them please. The only arab source I find credible is alJazeera.

I don't need to list any, there are thousands of documented events and a portion of those thousands are documented by western sources. Most sources are credible, you know what's credible from what isn't. Google it.

You think the Germans were nice?

You think Israelis are nice?

HA! thanks for bringing that one up! I've *always* on this forum called muslim violent strategies (since Israel was created) "counter-productive" (for your own people!). That's way worse than 'futile', mind you.

???

The violence used by the Dutch resistance was *productive*, because they attacked for instance the libraries were citizen registration info was kept, and they killed german military and intel personell.

Shall I paint a picture of the military value of your 'violent resistance', against Israel *and* against any nation that dares defy your objective of driving all Israelis into the sea?

Ha, you see, as long as it's the 'non-inferior' people resisting regardless if there is no difference in their methods it is justified but for the others we don't believe so. Actions speak louder than words. Everyday Israeli government officials say they don't believe the West Bank is occupied and they fully turn it Jewish and build more settlements. That doesn't matter to you. Through force they make sure it happens.

First of all, I see the EU nations becoming more and more critical of Israel, and very recently Obama has struck the same tone with 'm. Doesn't mean we'll let you 'destroy Israel' tho. We've been quite clear about that since that 6-nation muslim coalition that failed... (1967? or even earlier?)

You're an idiot, being critical isn't making empty statements when it's already too late. Being critical is threatening consequences if Israel doesn't end it's occupation. That doesn't equate to Europe letting us 'destroy' Israel. The whole reason the Jewish population is surviving in the West Bank is because of EU programs. And yet no action has been taken. I'm not speaking of the European people in general are unlike you in every way. We are speaking of the foreign policy.

Google it yourself, and don't discredit NATO/Israeli sources while you do that.

What's?

Hamas' leaders getting killed by the Israelis is provocation enough for them. Trouble is, they expose their own people to massive risk by 'retaliating'. If you wanna keep your Hamas brass alive, let 'm abandon publicly and privately their desire to see Israel removed from the map.

Ha Ha Ha! Ah man you gave me a good laugh there! It didn't even matter to you that an 13 year old boy got killed about a week before the assassination and 4 other civilians from Israeli tank shelling and helicopter fire. And the Palestinian response was attacking a military jeep. So they responded in an appropriate manner but your jackass probably still denies their right to security.

I complained about Israelis using asymetrical force in 2009, and in 2012 they were a whole lot more reduce-civilian-casualty in their approach.

Yeah, they sure reduced civilian casualties by making over 55% you moron! Ha Ha ha! Ah God someone hold me from my chair I almost fell off laughing. Not to mention those are IDF numbers in which they consider policemen and television editors and reporters and non military government related officials as combatants. The reality was 27 actually military casualties from Hamas and 10 from the PIJ. Israel couldn't find fighters anywhere and they were going crazy over it.

I did some digging, and in 2012 at least, Hamas picked a fight after one of their commanders was killed by the Israelis. Same for 2009, if i'm not mistaken.

Hamas 'picked' a fight by getting their military commander assassinated? How much of a sick **** are you? What he meant to the Palestinians was what Ehud Barak meant to the Israelis. Can you imagine had Hamas extra judicially assassinated Ehud Barak what Israel would have done? 3,000 Palestinians would have been killed in one day. And I'm sure your double standard *** would be cheering and justifying rather then claiming they picked a fight.

That blockade is to stop groups like Hamas from stocking up on weapons. And plenty is let through, one of the Israeli twitter feeds shows civilian materials of all kinds going through all the time.

All of Palestine is occupied. Not just Gaza. You're just gonna sit there and pretend like it isn't. Are you fucking Zionist?

Ha, that's what Hamas wants you to believe, so they can stay in power and practice Jihad that is sooo respected by muslims elsewhere who gladly use you all as cannon fodder, to make ugly pictures and try to portray yourselves as victims .

Ha Ha ha! No, that's what Israel wants you to believe that Hamas wants us to believe Israel occupies our land. No historians deny it and neither does international law. And way to show us who you really are. You keep bringing Muslims up in this matter when this is strictly a Palestinian Israeli conflict. No doubt you deny all Muslims the right of security or self defense. Well that tells us a lot about you. What nick names should I come up for you? I like "peace-fan" or maybe "peaceful crusader"....hmmm..

Expand my post and I responded to all your quotes.

 

[Falcon29]

You know what's also sickening? My country (NL) gives 60 million euro to the Palestinians each year in development aid. 4 million of that at least is given to the families of terrorists that are in jail or dead. And the more people those guys killed, the higher the payout to their families.

We'll talk about getting resolutions (reasonable ones only!) against the Israelis passed, when you stop advocating to kill Israelis and to try to destroy Israel.

Advocating the right to Palestinian self determination and security is somehow advocating "killing and destroying" Israel? What's with all your doublespeak bullshit?

I'd love to know what you consider 'reasonable' resolutions. Please state a few.

 

[PeaceGen]

Advocating the right to Palestinian self determination and security is somehow advocating "killing and destroying" Israel? What's with all your doublespeak bullshit?

The doublespeak is coming from Palestinian side, who try to sound as reasonable and as victim-like as possible in English, while hamas and many other 'defenders of islam' sponsor israel-must-die propaganda in their arab-language media outlets.

I'd love to know what you consider 'reasonable' resolutions. Please state a few.

obviously bringing israeli military commanders 'to justice' is a no-go, considering how palestinian 'governments' like hamas fight their battles.

but I can see some resolutions about Israelis destroying olivetree gardens, or stealing Palestinian water resources, or building ever more settlements each year, or not respecting muslim holy sites in Jeruzalem, not get veto-ed, ONCE you all hop off the violent resistance train. So far, I haven't seen a single muslim like you talk to his extremist peers about the counterproductiveness of their 'strategies'.

 

[Falcon29]

The doublespeak is coming from Palestinian side, who try to sound as reasonable and as victim-like as possible in English, while hamas and many other 'defenders of islam' sponsor israel-must-die propaganda in their arab-language media outlets.



obviously bringing israeli military commanders 'to justice' is a no-go, considering how palestinian 'governments' like hamas fight their battles.

but I can see some resolutions about Israelis destroying olivetree gardens, or stealing Palestinian water resources, or building ever more settlements each year, or not respecting muslim holy sites in Jeruzalem, not get veto-ed, ONCE you all hop off the violent resistance train. So far, I haven't seen a single muslim like you talk to his extremist peers about the counterproductiveness of their 'strategies'.

Take responsibility for your doublespeak which is clearly nonsensical and far from reality as you ignore actions of the Israeli people and government over the past decades. But you keep pointing at statements regarding dismantling the Israeli regime.

That's it? Resolution to prevent settlers from destroying olive trees? You really sum down the conflict to that? What about the brutal occupation and creation of the state of Israel through terrorism? The thousands killed resisting israeli occupation both peacefully and through violent means. You clearly ignore the Jewish ideology which is the driving force that enables the Israeli people and government to grab more Palestinian land and destroy palestinian cultural identity not just in Palestine but also around the world.

I have better resolution for you, how about resolution displace all Palestinians just because? I'm sure you'd like that better. You're comical man.

 

[PeaceGen]

Ha Ha ha! No, that's what Israel wants you to believe that Hamas wants us to believe Israel occupies our land. No historians deny it and neither does international law. And way to show us who you really are. You keep bringing Muslims up in this matter when this is strictly a Palestinian Israeli conflict. No doubt you deny all Muslims the right of security or self defense. Well that tells us a lot about you. What nick names should I come up for you? I like "peace-fan" or maybe "peaceful crusader"....hmmm..

First of all, how many arab/muslim nations/groups support the violent palestinian resistance? Where do you get your weapons from? Right, many other muslim countries/groups. What do those other muslim countries do as well? Secretly foster and protect groups like alQuada, who attack all of NATO for supporting Israel's right to exist in security (among other things, granted, but the I-P issue is what got the ball rolling).

And I have *never* denied you your right to self-defense. I only questioned what you gain by violent methods (nothing but suffering for ur own people) against an adversary which has a *large* military advantage over you (AND your military supporters) (an advantage they won't let you make 'm lose, see the Iranian nuclear weapons program pressure by NATO), and what could be gained by switching to exclisively non-violent resistance (immediate end of nato/israeli bombs falling through ur roofs, and you'd receive much more international support for your wishes that aren't "removing Israel from the map").

 

[PeaceGen]

Take responsibility for your doublespeak which is clearly nonsensical and far from reality as you ignore actions of the Israeli people and government over the past decades. But you keep pointing at statements regarding dismantling the Israeli regime.

That's it? Resolution to prevent settlers from destroying olive trees? You really sum down the conflict to that? What about the brutal occupation and creation of the state of Israel through terrorism? The thousands killed resisting israeli occupation both peacefully and through violent means. You clearly ignore the Jewish ideology which is the driving force that enables the Israeli people and government to grab more Palestinian land and destroy palestinian cultural identity not just in Palestine but also around the world.

I have better resolution for you, how about resolution displace all Palestinians just because? I'm sure you'd like that better. You're comical man.

Ask yourselves; what would've happened if you had accepted the UN vote that created Israel, and welcomed them as friends, and then redrew the map together with your mostly-palestinian-descent neighbor countries, to take some of THOSE lands to create a Palestinian state right after Israel was created, in a peaceful way. What happened instead is those neighbor countries shut out the people now known as Palestinians, and more muslim nations ganged up on Israel in a coalition, that was struck down with NATO military assistance, leading to the oil price explosion of the 1970s, leading to secret western interference in muslim oil nations, leading to terrorism as we know it today. EACH TIME it was the desire for violent solutions by muslims against foes that a 5 year old military commander on our side would know cannot be defeated with the weapons and training that you had/have, and as such you yourselves (especially fans of violence like yourself) increased the suffering of innocent muslims.

Look up the meanings of Bruce Lee's famous quote: "be like water".
Non-violent resistance techniques would give the palestinian resistance movement the power that water has (see also https://www.google.com/search?q=water+erosion&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X)

 

[500]

The tunnel was going to be used in the war had Israel gone on with a ground invasion and Hamas would have rightfully captured Israeli soldiers. Or attack an IDF deployment area.

Rubbish. Building such a tunnel is extremely huge effort. And you cant leave it for long time inactive because it wold be discovered and all effort is gone to nothing. So after finishing u need to launch an operation within weeks.

So u are very lucky that tunnel was discovered, you gained another year of two of quiet. Until Hamas or some other terrorist group makes another stupid action.

Bin Zonah.

If u want to curse dont involve my parents. Tefhemuni?

 

[Falcon29]

Ask yourselves; what would've happened if you had accepted the UN vote that created Israel, and welcomed them as friends, and then redrew the map together with your mostly-palestinian-descent neighbor countries, to take some of THOSE lands to create a Palestinian state right after Israel was created, in a peaceful way. What happened instead is those neighbor countries shut out the people now known as Palestinians, and more muslim nations ganged up on Israel in a coalition, that was struck down with NATO military assistance, leading to the oil price explosion of the 1970s, leading to secret western interference in muslim oil nations, leading to terrorism as we know it today. EACH TIME it was the desire for violent solutions by muslims against foes that a 5 year old military commander on our side would know cannot be defeated with the weapons and training that you had, and as such you yourselves (especially fans of violence like yourself) increased the suffering of innocent muslims.

Ben Gurion declared an Israeli state without permission which differed from the UN plan greatly. Nobody would accept mass illegal immigration into their native land in which Jewish militias ethnically cleansed Palestinians from their villages through terror tactics and declared those villages their land. They seized our land wrongfully. Don't ask us to accept something that Jewish people exploited. None of it was supposed to happen that way. So no, I'm not asking myself today whether I would see a difference in accepting an expansionist people's call for their own state when they were a minority people with more land.

The rest of your post was gibberish.

 

[Falcon29]

First of all, how many arab/muslim nations/groups support the violent palestinian resistance? Where do you get your weapons from? Right, many other muslim countries/groups. What do those other muslim countries do as well? Secretly foster and protect groups like alQuada, who attack all of NATO for supporting Israel's right to exist in security (among other things, granted, but the I-P issue is what got the ball rolling).

And I have *never* denied you your right to self-defense. I only questioned what you gain by violent methods (nothing but suffering for ur own people) against an adversary which has a *large* military advantage over you (AND your military supporters) (an advantage they won't let you make 'm lose, see the Iranian nuclear weapons program pressure by NATO), and what could be gained by switching to exclisively non-violent resistance (immediate end of nato/israeli bombs falling through ur roofs, and you'd receive much more international support for your wishes that aren't "removing Israel from the map").

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Falcon29]

Rubbish. Building such a tunnel is extremely huge effort. And you cant leave it for long time inactive because it wold be discovered and all effort is gone to nothing. So after finishing u need to launch an operation within weeks.

So u are very lucky that tunnel was discovered, you gained another year of two of quiet. Until Hamas or some other terrorist group makes another stupid action.


If u want to curse dont involve my parents. Tefhemuni?

It was discovered during the November conflict. And it could be used at any time. No factors dictate how it could be discovered. No one knows how probable that would be. And it would have been used had Israel undergone an ground invasion. End of discussion.

 

[PeaceGen]

What in the world are you talking about?

about the real world around *you*.

 

[Falcon29]

about the real world around *you*.

Edit your gibberish and say something meaningful. You're being critical of one side only. Now show me how critical you are of the right wing expansionist Israeli government and vast majority of their people. Go to work. Bitch.

 

[PeaceGen]

Ben Gurion declared an Israeli state without permission which differed from the UN plan greatly. Nobody would accept mass illegal immigration into their native land in which Jewish militias ethnically cleansed Palestinians from their villages through terror tactics and declared those villages their land. They seized our land wrongfully. Don't ask us to accept something that Jewish people exploited. None of it was supposed to happen that way. So no, I'm not asking myself today whether I would see a difference in accepting an expansionist people's call for their own state when they were a minority people with more land.

The rest of your post was gibberish.

Israel was created with God(=Allah)'s permission, and UN permission. Those Israeli 'ethnic cleansers' were responding to the very first wave of muslims not accepting either authority.

And the rest of my post wasn't gibberish, it was history-in-a-nutshell.