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More China scientists challenge superconductor bombshell from US team

  • Three separate studies fail to replicate ‘shocking’ claims of superconductivity at usable temperatures
  • :tsk:Researchers worked around the clock to test the findings, which have come under intense scrutiny :tsk:

Ling Xin in Beijing
Published: 9:30pm, 27 Mar, 2023
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Nanjing University professor Wen Haihu said his team was unable to replicate the results of a US study into superconductivity. Photo: Nanjing University

Chinese researchers moved quickly to test a US team’s claim to one of the greatest scientific achievements of the 21st century – a material that becomes a superconductor at room temperatures.

Ranga Dias from the University of Rochester startled the scientific community with his announcement – at the world’s largest physics meeting in Las Vegas on March 7 – that his team had created a superconducting material at a pressure and temperature suitable for practical applications.

Details were published the day after the American Physical Society event by the international journal Nature but have come under intense scrutiny from the scientific community after controversy over a 2020 paper by the same team which described a similar breakthrough.

Three teams in China have attempted unsuccessfully to replicate the new findings, with the latest results from Nanjing University researchers uploaded to the preprint server arXiv on March 15.

Wen Haihu, from Nanjing University, said he was “totally shocked by the results and the data” :o: after watching Dias’ talk online and immediately asked his team to try and replicate the study, he told China Science Daily.

After working nonstop for eight days and nights, Wen and his colleagues were unable to achieve superconductivity at the US team’s reported 21 degrees Celsius (69.8 Fahrenheit) and 1 gigapascal of pressure. :nono:


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The first hurdle came with the team’s attempt to make samples of the material – a combination of the rare earth element lutetium, along with hydrogen and a little bit of nitrogen – by following the protocol described in the US paper.

“They might have left out a zero :rofl: or something in the preparation temperature, which is obviously too low for such a synthesis reaction to happen,” Wen said.

The researchers came up with their own preparation method and made sure the colour, structure, and composition of the samples were consistent with the US team’s report.

After measuring the samples’ key properties – such as electrical resistance and magnetisation – under a wide range of pressures and temperatures,:nono:our study showed no evidence of superconductivity in this type of nitrogen-doped lutetium hydride under room temperature and near-room pressure”,:no: Wen said.

In another attempt, a group from the Institute of Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing made a lutetium hydride which only showed superconductivity at -203 degrees Celsius (-333.4 Fahrenheit).

A separate group from the same institute said it reproduced the colour changes reported by the US team, with its samples turning from dark blue to pink and red as pressures rose. However, no superconductivity was observed, down to -271 degrees Celsius (-455.8 Fahrenheit).

Physicist Jorge Hirsch from the University of California San Diego said he was not surprised by these results. “This casts further strong doubt on the validity of the results published in Nature,” he said.:agree:

A spokesperson from Nature said they were “encouraged” that the community moved so quickly in attempts to replicate the findings, and that they would “follow these discussions closely”.

“We view attempts at replication of studies published in Nature as an extremely important part of the scientific process. An inherent principle of publication is that others should be able to replicate and build upon the authors’ published claims.”

The hunt for materials that lose their electrical resistance when they are cooled to near absolute zero – a state known as superconductivity – has been going on for years and could revolutionise the efficiency of power grids, computer chips, high-speed trains and medical imaging.

While a few superconductors such as hydrogen sulphide can work under warmer conditions, they must be squeezed to extremely high pressures – beyond a million atmospheres, or 100 gigapascals.

Wei’s team measured their samples’ electrical resistance at different pressures below 6 gigapascals. They found no trace of superconductivity even as the temperature dropped to -263 degrees Celsius, according to their manuscript which has not yet been peer-reviewed.

They also tried to detect signals related to the unique diamagnetic behaviour of superconductors, which expel magnetic fields during their transition to superconductivity, called the Meissner effect.

No diamagnetic signal was detected within the claimed pressure and temperature ranges, the researchers said.

But the Nanjing University study implied a possible alternative cause for the phenomena ascribed to superconductivity by the US team, said Dirk van de Marel, an honorary professor of physics at the University of Geneva in Switzerland.

“It’s in part modifications of the raw data, and in part incorrect interpretation of a phenomenon known as hydrogen ordering that has nothing to do with superconductivity,” he said. :enjoy:

Van de Marel said he received a preprint of the US paper from about 10 journalists simultaneously, seeking his comments in the week before publication, and his first impression was favourable.

“The Dias team demonstrated superconductivity from resistivity, susceptibility, Meissner effect and specific heat. To have all that in a single paper constitutes an extraordinarily well-documented report on superconductivity.”

However, as more scientists started to take a closer look at the paper’s data, “the downfall started”, van de Marel said. He believes it is possible that most of the US team’s data provides “the illusion of a superconducting phase transition”. :cuckoo:

While more research is needed to precisely pinpoint the properties of the materials, van de Marel said the samples made by Wen’s team may have contained a higher concentration of nitrogen than the US study.

“In principle, it’s possible that a very precise dose of nitrogen is needed to make these materials superconducting,” van de Marel said.

In the interview with China Science Daily, Wen said his team had started making additional measurements to see if there could be superconductivity under higher pressures, such as tens of gigapascals.

“We hope more researchers from around the world will join us to do the replication work,” he said.

Hirsch said further work by the Chinese teams and others may conclusively establish that the claims of room-temperature, near-room pressure superconductivity are invalid.

But van de Marel was less sure. “Provided an experimental result is true, the process of confirming it by other experiments can be a quick process with a bit of luck. However, it can take forever to show that a claimed result does not exist,” he said.

Both Hirsch and van de Marel have called for Dias to share his samples with other researchers to independently verify whether they are superconducting.

Dias has so far not responded to a request for comment but has told several scientific publications, including Science and Quanta, that he has no plans to distribute the material because of intellectual property issues. :omghaha:

Physicist Mikhail Eremets said his group at the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry in Mainz, Germany had not yet tried to replicate the Nature paper’s results, after a “wasted half a year” testing the Dias team’s previous findings. :rofl:

Eremets said it had taken about two years to do extensive experimental and theoretical work, only to conclude that the claimed superconductivity in the US team’s 2020 paper was likely to be wrong.

“Naturally, we are not enthusiastic to repeat this disappointing experience,” he said. :pissed:
 
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Most of nature and science publications are fake. Most academic publications in top universities are of trumpian nature if not out right fabricated.
 
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US "scientists" typically publish junk to corruptly maintain their positions and save face. It's part of their culture, they don't view it as dishonesty.
 
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US team retracts bombshell superconductor study after Chinese researchers challenge findings

  • Science journal Nature has retracted a paper by a team of US scientists which claimed to have created a room-temperature superconducting material
  • Doubt was cast over the findings when several scientific teams in China were unable to replicate the US researchers’ results
Published: 4:00pm, 18 Nov, 2023

Science journal Nature has retracted a controversial paper claiming to have created a room-temperature superconducting material, which Chinese scientists took the lead to try to reproduce – and on which they raised strong doubts.

Earlier this year, the paper made global headlines in both mainstream media and on social media after it was published in one of the oldest, most prestigious, scientific journals.
But in a retraction notice on November 7, eight of the paper’s 11 authors, most of them from the University of Rochester in New York, requested to withdraw the research as it “does not accurately reflect the provenance of the investigated materials, the experimental measurements undertaken and the data-processing protocols applied”.

This meant the study’s key data had been manipulated and the superconductivity observed was an experimental artefact, according to Dirk van der Marel, honorary professor at the University of Geneva in Switzerland.

“It means that there were serious problems with this paper, and that the material is not a room-temperature superconductor,” said physicist Jorge Hirsch from the University of California, San Diego. “These co-authors did the right thing, which takes courage.”

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While unsuccessful replication efforts alone could not overturn the US team’s claim, they did play an important role in casting doubts on the reported findings, Hirsch and van der Marel told the Post via emails.

“Several groups in China played a leading role in this,” Hirsch said. “It provided encouragement to the co-authors of the paper to report the anomalies they knew about.”
The attention being paid to the paper had “hastened their decision to correct the scientific record”, said van der Marel, who also serves as editor-in-chief of the journal Physica C: Superconductivity and its Applications.

Nature earlier told the Post that they viewed the replication attempts as an extremely important part of the scientific process. “An inherent principle of publication is that others should be able to replicate and build upon the authors’ published claims,” a representative said.

Karl Ziemelis, chief physical sciences editor at Nature, wrote in an email to the Post that the retraction had been “a deeply frustrating situation”. He said the original submission of the paper had received “a number of questions” from expert reviewers, but they were largely resolved in later revisions.

“What the peer review process cannot detect is whether the paper as written accurately reflects the research as it was undertaken,” he said. “It is not uncommon for further issues to come to light following publication, at which point papers receive an even greater degree of technical scrutiny from the wider community.”

Nature had raised separate concerns with the paper’s data and carried out investigations to conclude that the concerns were “credible”, the retraction note said.

Since superconductivity was first discovered in 1911, scientists have been looking for different materials that carry electricity with zero resistance. Such materials can potentially revolutionise the efficiency of power grids, computer chips, medical imaging and high-speed trains.

So far, superconductors only work under either very low temperatures (near absolute zero) or extremely high pressures (above one million Earth atmospheres). Room-temperature superconductors are seen as the scientific holy grail to make practical applications come true.

In their paper published by Nature in March, the University of Rochester team led by Ranga Dias stunned the world by announcing that they had used hydrogen, lutetium and nitrogen to develop a compound that became a superconductor at around 21 degrees Celsius (about 70 degrees Fahrenheit).

In the weeks that followed, several labs in China moved quickly to synthesise samples according to the descriptions in the paper and test the reported findings. All of their attempts failed.

A team from the Institute of Physics in Beijing was only able to achieve superconductivity at minus 203 degrees Celsius in their experiment. A separate group from the same institute said it reproduced the colour changes reported by the US team, but no superconductivity was observed, down to minus 271 degrees Celsius.

It is not the first time Dias’ team has retracted papers from top-tier journals. In 2020, his team claimed that they created a new material by adding carbon to hydrogen sulphide, which turned out to be superconductive at 15 degrees Celsius. That paper was retracted by Nature in 2022.

Hirsch said repeated retractions could cast a negative light on superconductivity research, specifically in a field known as hydrides under pressure. This is because researchers in this field often do not disclose background subtraction procedures they use and are often reluctant to provide details and raw data underlying their published results.

“But I don’t think the retractions should affect the reputation of the entire field of superconductivity research, which is strong and healthy,” Hirsch said.

Van der Marel highlighted the trust factor. “The fact that scientists commit fraud doesn’t exactly inspire trust in science. The fact that some of this fraud is brought to light compensates for this, but only partly so,” he said.

 
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Science will be served well by China exposing rampant US fraud.
 
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