Monitor Pakistan's use of military aid, India tells US

[SMC]

All this talk about India crying again and world not bothered was so visible in the French JF 17 deal could anger India thread...
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/47747-french-jf-17-deal-could-anger-india.html

Look who is crying now as the deal has been put on hold..

Also, do you think that all the conditions which led to the KLB being hated so much by the Pakistani army was simply the output of American Lawmakers' deliberations??

In the name of National pride, a lot of members (both Indian and Pakistanis) discount the importance of strong diplomacy. Fortunately our leaders dont..

And really look at it this way.. If so called crying (successful quite a few times)by India makes an impact of saving even a small number of Indian soldiers' lives in case of a war, is there anyone here who thinks its not worth it.. ?? After all its real lives and not some imaginary troopers on the C&C screen...

I personally do not think india was the reason why the deal was put on hold. But you're free to have your own opinion. And let's not count the eggs too early anyway because no one knows what will happen next with this whole JF17 thing.

As far as crying goes, yes I realize it's diplomatic attempts to achieve what you want, but really it has not worked as far as military matters go. Which is what makes it funny.

 

[SMC]

we know every thing our eyes on you

YouTube - Pak mum on Musharraf's US aid 'misuse' shocker-Pakistan(14 Sep 2009)

and

YouTube - Obama's threat to Zardari

He explained himself pretty well. Nicely done diplomatically which kept the issue at minimal

 

[PAKFA]

He explained himself pretty well. Nicely done diplomatically which kept the issue at minimal

How come the issue is minimal . If it would have been minimal there should not be any mentioning in Karry lugar Bill which is mentioned even by Uncle Sam.

 

[SMC]

How come the issue is minimal . If it would have been minimal there should not be any mentioning in Karry lugar Bill which is mentioned even by Uncle Sam.

You think it wouldn't be there if Musharraf didnt talk about it?

 

[ameer219]

Honestly, let's be frank

A few months/years later, Pakistan will clear terrorism of its soil, and terrorists will not be a threat anymore after those few operations. Now when no weapons will be used against terrorism,where will this weapons be pointed to?Of course India right?

So even if India is diplomatically "telling" USA to monitor Pakistan's military aid, what's the point? It all comes down to the fact that in the end,it will be used against India, in case of a rising conflict.

So in my opinion,its just a waste of time to monitor those aids. And I doubt USA would do that?As can be seen from the additional 14 F-16s.

And all my Pakistani friends,let's be more civilized and restrain from commenting such as "crying" as it will just lead to more and more trolling,and deviate from the topic.

 

[PAKFA]

You think it wouldn't be there even if Musharraf didnt talk about it?

Definitely issue will be there , We are just hoping to have some what less Denial by Pakistan by this acceptance. and KLB will be implemented little bit more strongly.

 

[PAKFA]

Honestly, let's be frank

A few months/years later, Pakistan will clear terrorism of its soil, and terrorists will not be a threat anymore after those few operations. Now when no weapons will be used against terrorism,where will this weapons be pointed to?Of course India right?

So even if India is diplomatically "telling" USA to monitor Pakistan's military aid, what's the point? It all comes down to the fact that in the end,it will be used against India, in case of a rising conflict.

So in my opinion,its just a waste of time to monitor those aids. And I doubt USA would do that?As can be seen from the additional 14 F-16s.

And all my Pakistani friends,let's be more civilized and restrain from commenting such as "crying" as it will just lead to more and more trolling,and deviate from the topic.

I hope you will clear terrorism including against India , We will be the first one to cheer you.
and regarding pointing your weapon against India, Please stop eating Grass now. think about development of your own people. You are not going to take over India by this Aid. Stop this mentality.

 

[Marxist]

IN the past during 1965 war Pakistan used US given Patton tanks against India (i don't wish to turn this to a 65 war thread),so India don want the history to repeat,so GOI asked to monitor its help To Pakistan,Hopes we will get a result like french deal.
what is requirement of air-air missile and frigates to fight against TTP?

 

[Marxist]

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[ameer219]

I hope you will clear terrorism including against India , We will be the first one to cheer you.

Excuse me, What does terrorism has to do with the weapons given to us by USA. No link in that.

 

[forcetrip]

I saw the clip and did not understand where it was mentioned that Aid money was being specifically used to shore up defenses against India. The US was funding the Pakistan Army not an anti taliban unit.

 

[SMC]

what is requirement of air-air missile and frigates to fight against TTP?

You can ask US that. I hope you realize that your weapons aren't meant to be used against martians or be blown up for fun. Same goes for us.

 

[ameer219]

IN the past during 1965 war Pakistan used US given Patton tanks against India (i don't wish to turn this to a 65 war thread),so India don want the history to repeat,so GOI asked to monitor its help To Pakistan,Hopes we will get a result like french deal.
what is requirement of air-air missile and frigates to fight against TTP?

Yes sir, true but you have to know that now,Pakistan doctrine has changed to become a more defensive one.

And sir, we bought our frigates and air to air missile sir,that's a fact, it was not from military aid.

Of course, with rising tensions and the aftermath of Mumbai attacks when India threaten to conduct surgical strikes, Pakistan has the right to upgrade its defences right?

 

[karan.1970]

I personally do not think india was the reason why the deal was put on hold. But you're free to have your own opinion. And let's not count the eggs too early anyway because no one knows what will happen next with this whole JF17 thing.

As far as crying goes, yes I realize it's diplomatic attempts to achieve what you want, but really it has not worked as far as military matters go. Which is what makes it funny.

I agree that India was not the sole reason, but definitely a factor. It cant be a coincidence that the Mig 29 upgrade deal was announced the same day. And much before the MMRCA, there will be announcements of Mirage and Jaguar upgrade deals to France.

Also from France's perspective, they can not be sure how many JF 17s will Pakistan be able to procure considering the economy etc. So a case of 1 bird in hand better than 2 in the bush..

About diplomacy, things are not always what they seem. So no point arguing over them

 

[PAKFA]

Excuse me, What does terrorism has to do with the weapons given to us by USA. No link in that.

They are giving you aid because they want you to act against terrorism. They are giving you Economic and developmental aid in major proportion which you are making it or trying to make it military aid and want to use it against India . This is what where every one is concerned.