Modi spoke India’s mind over CPEC

[third eye]

How you perceive

Dont deflect by throwing a counter question. My observations are in a previous post here # 18 perhaps.

I want a confirmation if as stated by you - is China securing the pipeline ?

 

[The Eagle]

The underlined portion, another act of imprudence which led to the whole cycle of statements. It is exactly the thing that is meant to ensure a perpetuation of violence as means of state policy. A contrarian view to the claimed stance of Pakistan to be fighting for peace and security as also the welfare of the Kashmiri people.

Well that is an Indian narration but from Pakistan point of view, Pakistan is only supporting Kashmir cause for their rights of freedom and all that resistance by Kashmiris, is their fight for their own rights and we are just supporting the cause only that world's knows as well.

&K is an autonomous state under Constitution of India genius (the author not at you @The Eagle ), hence it can not be "integrated".

Constitution of India but not the status of Kashmir that is declared by UN so Indian constitution in this matter doesn't matter alone hence not the integral part of India as well. Kashmir is a dispute not some internal matter of India. The author is pointing the issue towards the wishes of Kashmiris that wanted to be the part of Pakistan like "Kashmir banay ga Pakisan" and they are at liberty for that otherwise, GB would have been integrated a long ago into Pakistan that even People of GB wishes the same as well but Pakistan stance is currently for Independent Kashmir then after, it is the wish of Kashmiris who they wanted to be with but an impartial and unbiased election is must.

It has been discussed to death and still you are towing the same line that what GoI says so nothing new here (no offense). If it was that influenced by such article or sub-sections then long ago, Kashmir would have been integrated to India and GoI would have won the case in UN. The thing, why India couldn't succeed in such manner because it is not the case what India is trying to project nowadays hence rejected United Nations Human Rights Commission's request to visit IoK. You would have gone through the latest BBC news on Kashmir as well, I hope.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37092938

 

[war&peace]

The good thing is that Modi has removed the veil of hypocrisy from India's ugly face and now he openly admits its involvement in 1971 terrorism, openly talks against Pakistan, supports terrorism in Baluchistan. But to our dismay, we have the govt of traitors who are not only ignoring but factually supporting Modi against the state of Pakistan and our military leadership is too selfish to think beyond its personal record and professional career.

Indians are passive aggressive and to trust them would always be fatal..be it political or professional life...as their culture goes moo pe ram ram baghal ma churi...

That I have observed in my personal life too but the thanks to Allah I saw it coming and I was able to shoot it down without causing any collateral damage

 

[paki_rambo]

Read the resolution carefully, it ask Pakistan to withdraw not only tribesman but also pakistan nationals. One the pakistan fulfills the condition, then only Indian security forces will be reduced not withdrawn

the directions given by UN to both Pakistan and India are different.India had to start acting as soon the tribesmen withdrew but it didn't.

withdrawal of India force in stages was also part of the resolution though India was allowed to keep minimum no of security personnel in the valley for law and order situation

Pakistanis does not know that Modi actually loves Pakistan. He does not want to see them ruined. After CPEC is over, Pakistan will be at the mercy of the China. I think after CPEC at some point Pakistan and China will be at each others throats. China will destroy Pakistan's all kind of Industry just like Britain destroyed India's.

Unlike India Pakistan and China have settled their geographical disputes long ago.In 50s India was also looking for a bromance with China and their was a phrase "hindi chini bhai bhai" at that time but a territorial controversy ended the relation.Now don't be jealous if Pakistan and China are enjoying a better relation

 

[Hellfire]

Unlike India Pakistan and China have settled their geographical disputes long ago.In 50s India was also looking for a bromance with China and their was a phrase "hindi chini bhai bhai" at that time but a territorial controversy ended the relation.Now don't be jealous if Pakistan and China are enjoying a better relation

You have only reached a temporary agreement when you ceded Shasgam Valley, a territory of the Khanate of Hunza, in exchange for SinoPak Boundary Settlement of 1963.

The agreement is temporary till as such time the matter of Kashmir is settled, whereupon a fresh boundary agreement will be needed.

In short, your facts are off.

 

[paki_rambo]

You have only reached a temporary agreement when you ceded Shasgam Valley, a territory of the Khanate of Hunza, in exchange for SinoPak Boundary Settlement of 1963.

The agreement is temporary till as such time the matter of Kashmir is settled, whereupon a fresh boundary agreement will be needed.

In short, your facts are off.

even if a fresh boundary agreement is needed Pakistan and China would still have it in pleasant tone
India tried to developed a working relation but ended up in a war with China or you still think it is a wrong fact

 

[Vapnope]

It seems CPEC is some kind of elixir .
No other nation in this world trusts a foreign power like this for their own existence
Again in Pakistan anything can happen

I wonder why Indians are so concerned about who Pakistan trusts or not?

 

[SrNair]

I wonder why Indians are so concerned about who Pakistan trusts or not?

Well we dont care whether you trusts or not .
But most of them have grand delusions and for them CPEC is not a development project but a mere show off to satisfiy their ego with India .
And your diplomacy is such extraordinary

 

[gslv mk3]

You call CPEC a third party logistic corridor? do you also know that this corridor is also Pakistan inter-city link corridor? with a good infrastructure, once one city is booming, the domino effect will be on all inter connected city,

And I'm not talking trash, you guys are the one like sabotage this CPEC with all kind of bullsh1t such as Pakistan will be under China domination, Pakistan will become another China city...Pakistan will be at China mercy....

It is a logistics corridor & rest of what you say are secondary objectives. With Pakistan's key industry- textiles closing down, I would seriously doubt the utility of any new transportation infra.

And the exploitation of Pakistan has already started. No one in their sane mind would believe that investment of $34 billion is needed for establishing thermal power plants with combined installed capacity of 17GW. Other than our Western neighbors.

Actually as an Indian, I have no problem if Pakistan surrenders their autonomy & territory to someone else as long as it doesn't affect us. But that's not the case with this project.

 

[SrNair]

What ever you did with your country is your business, not because China has lionshare mean we will absolutely doing harm to Pakistan. The simple fact is that China has lionshare while India don't even have catshare of what Pakistan offer that why you guys like to badmouth us because of jealousy and of course because the CPEC pass your so call disputed land

Then you should stop to measure us with the bench mark of your 'deeper than ocean' friend.
Our Maharashtra state offers more than entire Pakistan can offer .
Noone forcing you to invest here .There are others that have much capability .
They will do and will take their profit .
Jealousy ??
There is nothing in there to show jealousy .

But your second point is the real reason .

because the CPEC pass your so call disputed land

 

[gslv mk3]

Our Maharashtra state offers more than entire Pakistan can offer .

Actually Maharashtra received some $100 billion worth of investment commitments during 'Make in India week'.

And those are investment for setting up industries. Not for setting up some power plant with guarantee agreement for buying all the power produced at uneconomical rates.

It is quite interesting to note that 75% of the $46 billion chinese investment will go into setting up an installed capacity of 17 GW. We don't need that sort of investment, since we add some 34GW to our installed capacity every year. Without a logistics corridor project.

 

[SrNair]

Actually Maharashtra received some $100 billion worth of investment commitments during 'Make in India week'.

And those are investment for setting up industries. Not for setting up some power plant with guarantee agreement for buying all the power produced at uneconomical rates.

It is quite interesting to note that 75% of the $46 billion chinese investment will go into setting up an installed capacity of 17 GW. We don't need that sort of investment, since we add some 34GW to our installed capacity every year. Without a logistics corridor project.

Funny ,then again we are talking about Chinese power equipments .
They themselves shut down a lots of project in there because of the inefficiency .

Look at the business tactics of the Chinese ,we Indians should learn a thing or two from their business.
They proposed an unfeasible project ,bought the entire corrupted corridor of GHQ ,that was the phase one .
They already began phase two ,flooding the Pak markets with their goods .
Even after all these restrictions ,our govt couldnt stop them completely .Then one can only imagines the situation of a fragile economy that opened full door for them.
What ever they got in theri nation is already began to breathe their last breath .
But Vikram Sood is correct in his last sentence .
Army's corporation will flourish .

 

[Brickwall]

the directions given by UN to both Pakistan and India are different.India had to start acting as soon the tribesmen withdrew but it didn't.

withdrawal of India force in stages was also part of the resolution though India was allowed to keep minimum no of security personnel in the valley for law and order situation

Withdrawal has to be from entire valley including Pakistan occupied part and gilgit-baltistan, but tribesmen was replaced by Pakistan regulars, causing whole mess...

 

[paki_rambo]

Withdrawal has to be from entire valley including Pakistan occupied part and gilgit-baltistan, but tribesmen was replaced by Pakistan regulars, causing whole mess...

again sir refer to my post and compare the advices given to both Pakistan and India
and please elaborate what mess Pakistan army has created in Pakistan liberated Kashmir and GB?
both these regions are peaceful and show complete support to Pakistan

 

[Brickwall]

again sir refer to my post and compare the advices given to both Pakistan and India
and please elaborate what mess Pakistan army has created in Pakistan liberated Kashmir and GB?
both these regions are peaceful and show complete support to Pakistan

I have not yet refereed to condition currently in the region, only to the UN resolution , which asked entire valley to be vacated including gilgit-baltistan from tribesmen and pakistan nationals