Modernisation of Al-Khalid tank: Ukraine to provide technical cooperation

[ice_man]

french were the one who helped us in the design of lca

sorry the engine was AMERICAN General Electric F404-GE-F2J3 my bad

 

[Doctor09]

Hi,

Can we expect Al-Khalid Block III?-

sir g wait i am waiting for BLOCK 2 and you jumped to BLOCK 3

 

[Dazzler]

possibilities are many but i suspect new APS, engine, bustle autoloader, new laser warners, perhaps new maingun tech but seem unlikely along with long rod DU technology although we already make main gun of various caliber DUs but no harm in going for better. Thing is that HIT has covered most of the areas with indigenous technology so not much left for Ukraine to fill except what is mentioned above.

 

[HAIDER]

Guys Ukranian are master in building light combat tanks, best for Pakistani terrain .

 

[Super Falcon]

hope we get something like iron fists on our MBT too

 

[Donatello]

possibilities are many but i suspect new APS, engine, bustle autoloader, new laser warners, perhaps new maingun tech but seem unlikely along with long rod DU technology although we already make main gun of various caliber DUs but no harm in going for better. Thing is that HIT has covered most of the areas with indigenous technology so not much left for Ukraine to fill except what is mentioned above.

Armour and Armour plating?

Because we are still not sure if Al Khalid can survive hits by the larger M1 Abrams, Leopard, Challenger etc.......

 

[Zarvan]

Will this help be used to develop Al Khalid 2 ?

 

[Dazzler]

Armour and Armour plating?

Because we are still not sure if Al Khalid can survive hits by the larger M1 Abrams, Leopard, Challenger etc.......

Thats a valid point bro. Ukrainians possess one of the best conventional as well as ERA technology in the world. Their latest is Nohz ERA which is their counterpart of Russian Relikt and Kaktus. Tests have shown an efficient resistance again all sorts of kinetic, tandem and shaped charges which is not bad at all

Pak have been working on a similar level but we do not hear much about these technologies. Xyon might have better info on this but they have been working hard on armor technology for last 5-7 years. AK and AK-1 have very efficient composite armor covered by rugged ERA all made indigenously. Tests (baseline AK armor, not Ak-1) have shown a better result than Kontakt-5 armor onboard our T-80uds. This is why we never opted for K-5 for AKs despite repeated offers by Ukrainians.

a little info on their master piece, NOZH ERA........
http://sdtb.kiev.ua/sdtb_defence_en.htm

 

[monitor]

What makes the explosive reactive armor system Nozh ('knife') system (developed by Microtech) unique is its operation principle. This is the principle of directive concentrated effect of individual dedicated charges contained in each of the Nozh modules on an incoming anti-tank projectile that contacts with the tank armor. Once the projectile hits an ERA module, a pin-point blasting of individual charges (knifes) takes place to destroy the projectile. Employing the principle of directive destroying effect allowed it to create an explosive reactive armor system that efficiently defeats attacking projectiles, no matter what type of warheads these may carry — armor-piercing projectiles or hollow-charge rounds, or striking-nucleus-type impact shells. The ERA system is equally efficacious against Soviet-era-vintage projectiles and western-designed munitions.

ERA modules Nozh are accommodated in dedicated Morozov-designed sections fitted exteriorly to the tank, allowing it to keep adjacent ERA modules intact, and thereby increasing the entire system's survivorship by 200 to 300 percent. In case of older ERA designs, subject to destruction were considerable numbers of adjacent modules that were not directly hit by an inbound projectile. Occurrences were reported in which about fifty percent of all ERA modules on a given side of the tank were destroyed by an explosion resulting from activation of only one container with ERA elements on the same side of the tank. In fact, this ERA protection was nonrecoverable for the given side of the tank (left or right sides, front or turret).

The Ukrainian ERA design provides considerable advantages in performance over similar foreign-designed equivalents, such, in particular, as the Russian ERA system with the 4C20 and 4C22 elements. The Nozh provides reliable security not only against non-tandem-type hollow-charge projectiles but also armor-piercing subcaliber rounds or striking-nucleus-type impact munitions. By expert estimates, the Ukrainian ERA designers have outpaced their Russian counterparts by one R&D phase as of this day, which is equal to at least five years by Soviet-era standards.

Nozh competes in performance with other foreign-designed alternatives. For example, the French-designed ERA system for the Leclerc tank has no better performance characteristics than the Soviet (Russian) equivalent with 4C20 elements. This is also true for the Israeli designs - incidentally the world's first production ERA systems to be integrated on armored vehicles (Merkava tanks in the early 1980s).

The Nozh ERA system has already been deployed with the Ukrainian army, and is now being integrated onto modernized T-64 Bulat tanks. The Ukrainian Defense Ministry earlier in 2006 commissioned 17 Nozh kits for Bulats, with 23 more such kits planned to be purchsed next year. It is planned that Nozh will be installed in all of the tanks to be commissioned by the Ukrainian armed forces, including the newly-designed Oplot.

These days, Microtech is working intensively on an ERA development project for lightweight armored fighting vehicles (LAFVs). The challenge is to provide reliable protection against 20-30-mm gun shells and anti-tank grenades. One of the Nozh configurations has proved highly efficacious against 23-mm and 30-mm MAP-type rounds, as well as PG-7 and PG-9 grenades.

There is one more version of the Nozh system designed specially for LAFVs. In its configuration, dimensions, the amount of explosive, composition and mass, it is different from its namesake designed for tanks. A full ERA set for the BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle comprises about 300 Nozh modules, its mass overall depending not only on the Nozh modules as such but also on other constructs that supplement the ERA to enable it to operate as designed. Those are load-carrying screens integrated exteriorly at some distance away from the vehicle's body, on which Nozh modules are mounted in this particular case.

 

[Penguin]

Any kind of ERA will suffer from the drawback that once a particular point has been hit, the ERA there is expended, leaving that spot vulnerable. So, advantage to the party with superior fire control, sustained rate of fire and inter-tank coordination, I would say....

 

[PakShaheen79]

Any kind of ERA will suffer from the drawback that once a particular point has been hit, the ERA there is expended, leaving that spot vulnerable. So, advantage to the party with superior fire control, sustained rate of fire and inter-tank coordination, I would say....

True but at least it provides critical protection in tug of war. After first hit, it would be not easy for enemy to hit exactly the same spot either. But i agree with emphasis on fire control, sustained rate of fire and inter tank coordination.

 

[SBD-3]

Thats a valid point bro. Ukrainians possess one of the best conventional as well as ERA technology in the world. Their latest is Nohz ERA which is their counterpart of Russian Relikt and Kaktus. Tests have shown an efficient resistance again all sorts of kinetic, tandem and shaped charges which is not bad at all

Pak have been working on a similar level but we do not hear much about these technologies. Xyon might have better info on this but they have been working hard on armor technology for last 5-7 years. AK and AK-1 have very efficient composite armor covered by rugged ERA all made indigenously. Tests (baseline AK armor, not Ak-1) have shown a better result than Kontakt-5 armor onboard our T-80uds. This is why we never opted for K-5 for AKs despite repeated offers by Ukrainians.

a little info on their master piece, NOZH ERA........
EXPLOSIVE REACTIVE ARMOUR "NOZH" MODULES

To add something....HIT do have significant advances in the armour technology, for example, many of us dont know that HIT had an active collaboration in development of armour for Trukish Altey tank.

 

[Dazzler]

HIT has been conducting R&D on armor specific projects for 20+ years now. Type -85IIAP was also modified with local modular composite armor, then further aided with Ukrainian support and saw on AKs and AZs. Still going on for AK-1 and soon on AK-2. they have done a good job with Altay composite armor too. I expect to see something similar on AK-2

 

[regular]

HIT is doing a lot of work in R&D but what about HMC(heavy mechanical comples) ??. Is it out of equation nowadayz???...

 

[Dazzler]

i used HIT in general which includes HMC and other installations too.