MKEK BORA-12 SniperRifle won Pakistani sniper tender

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yes but i still prefare 50 caliber with more power and range

If you want range then the Gun Makers that claim to have the greatest range are Makers of CheyTec Intervention. The Gun used in the movie Shooter.

It fires the .408 Cheytac wildcat ammo

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You can't assign every soldier with 50 Cal rifle only specialist snipers. The "sniper" which is in a unit is a called Designated Marksman. Is it not practical to give him a big gun. I assuming this Turkish rifle is being inducted in this role.

 

[Super Falcon]

well we already have good specialized marksman and we need to hand over them with death warrent to enemy like 50 caliber bareeta gun what i think

 

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well we already have good specialized marksman and we need to hand over them with death warrent to enemy like 50 caliber bareeta gun what i think

Like I said guns that fire the 50 Cal, .338 Lapua Magnum or any other LARGE round are too big for a designated marksman to carry around in a battle. Plus some are limited to semi auto or even bolt action fire . You don't want to be carrying that weapon when enemy is rushing towards you in hordes.

Even the highly specialized snipers with the BIG GUNS carry smaller rifle or Carbine because you can't just rely on your high calibre weapon when 50 soldiers are storming towards you

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The disadvantage of a .50 calibre is not to the rifle but to the human----because the Hit is an ANYHWHERE hit---shock of the hit from a .50 calibre---the transfer of kinetic energy is so tremendous that that hit on the torso maybe the fatal.

 

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Hi,

The disadvantage of a .50 calibre is not to the rifle but to the human----because the Hit is an ANYHWHERE hit---shock of the hit from a .50 calibre---the transfer of kinetic energy is so tremendous that that hit on the torso maybe the fatal.

Killing your enemy ? How can that be a disadvantage ? Is that not the goal of a sniper: ONE SHOT ONE KILL

 

[hatf IX]

Killing your enemy ? How can that be a disadvantage ? Is that not the goal of a sniper: ONE SHOT ONE KILL

that's not the objective of a sniper, to kill entire company, but to kill only high value targets, because when he fire a rifle, he disclose his location and he need to change his location, and keep in mind that you are not the only sniper on the earth, enemy snipers will be there also.

see this movie you will get some idea . . . .Enemy at the Gates

 

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see this movie you will get some idea . . . .Enemy at the Gates

I have seen that movie and military doctrine has moved beyond that.

Dedicated sniper for high value targets like the ones you mentioned, who maybe armed with a LARGE CALIBER weapon

A designated sniper is the person who walks along with his unit but maybe armed with a normal assault rifle preferably with a scope

MastanKhan and I have explained the difference in our previous posts go thru them.

 

[Jango]

yes but i still prefare 50 caliber with more power and range

What do you need the power for?

Ranges typically are of around 1000 m, to around 1500 m, for that range, you don't need a .50 cal, and power is usually not much needed for a TTP member, with little or no kevlar protection in most cases.

Although ranges exceeding 1500 m and with an adversary who has Kevlar protection, more power might be needed.

But no need to go for a .50 Cal if you have to use it just against humans.

 

[Jango]

A dedicated sniper team might need a CheyTac or Barret .50 cal, but for a Designated Marksman, who travels with his unit like any other soldier, no need for that. A simple G-3 with a scope might even do it. Although SiG Sauer, PSG-1, Dragunov etc are enough for that role.

 

[AKINCI]

12.7 or 14.5mm guns have nearly two times much weight than a 7.62 gun, if someone who wants more range or more firepower, they can use this one too.

 

[blain2]

Killing your enemy ? How can that be a disadvantage ? Is that not the goal of a sniper: ONE SHOT ONE KILL

That is one view. Yes one shot, one kill on targets to be eliminated. However in conventional scenarios, the use of snipers is a matter of causing selective attrition and slowing down the other side. So if the sniper fires and injures one of the adversaries, the injured casualty has to be looked after, has to be catered to by other members of the unit. If the unit is deployed out, the injured limit their freedom of action. It slows them down and it causes the cohesion of the small unit to be impacted because they may not be able to focus on their goals due to own injured and the associated care until casevac etc.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

a great documentary (note: not related to this tender)

 

[blain2]

yes but i still prefare 50 caliber with more power and range

It sounds great, but not when you have to carry that around for miles as a rifleman/marksman. Load has to be considered for troops. From built up positions, the 0.50 caliber is good to use against soft skinned vehicles etc., but again in most cases you want it deployed in a position statically and not moved around a lot.

 

[SQ8]

.. So if the sniper fires and injures one of the adversaries, the injured casualty has to be looked after, has to be catered to by other members of the unit. If the unit is deployed out, the injured limit their freedom of action.

Apparently this is also a preferred tactic of the sniper to draw more prey into the trap.

 

[blain2]

12.7 or 14.5mm guns have nearly two times much weight than a 7.62 gun, if someone who wants more range or more firepower, they can use this one too.

The issue is how to move such large caliber weapons into the terrain where the troops are operating. Having the largest caliber is one issue, deploying it in an advantageous manner is a totally different one.

In the 80s, the Oerlikon 35mm Ack Ack guns were acquired for Mujahideen in Afghanistan for use against Soviet aircraft. The idea became a flop because it was very difficult to disassemble the gun, load it on mule trains and take it to the operational area and then put it together. They ended up on the Pakistan side and are great for VP protection because they are deployed in a static role and moved occasionally. Pakistan ended up buying more batteries from the Swiss because of the decent capabilities of these AAGs.

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Apparently this is also a preferred tactic of the sniper to draw more prey into the trap.

Agree. There is a whole science behind sniper operations. Its one thing to learn to fire accurately but employment and impact of sniper operations are just as important.