Mitsubishi flies Japan's first ever passenger jet

[ChineseTiger1986]

You are just beng sarcastic right?

Coming to topic, it's indeed commendable to see Japan finally joining western countries in building its own commercial plane. I dont see why @Beast is makng fun of this plane as being a U.S/western plane . I would have expected someone like him to be the last person to make fun of Japan in this field, as his own country isnt any better either, since even the ARJ and most of the C919's critical systems including engines and avionics are being supplied by Western companies or foreign-Chinese joint ventures. So why make fun of another country when you are no better? Its not like you have ever built a commercial jet liner of this size that is operational with any airline in your own country much less abroad.
Guess your anti-japanese sentiment trumps even common sense/reason.

Anyway, congrats to Japan. @Nihonjin1051 what engine (which is said to be very efficient) does this plane use?, since thats the most critical part of any plane.

Because we need to acquire the certificate from the West. And without the certificate, our jetliners would not be allowed to land on your airports.

To build the Y-20 is way more complicated than to build the C919, and the Y-20 is fully indigenous without any foreign components.

We can also build the C919 with full indigenous components. And before to acquire the certificate from the West, the C919 with the indigenous components can still fly domestically without traveling to the foreign countries.

Technically, you cannot modify a Cargo Plane into passenger transport. Well, let me rephrase this, you can modify any cargo plane for Passenger Airliner, but it will end up better off designing a new planes just for this purpose.

Cargo Flight and Passenger Flight have two distinct different. The center of gravity of the plane and the structural dynamic of the plane.

Cargo Plane have an empty hull, basically the center of gravity is on the dead center of the plane, and while passenger flight would normally tilted forward or backward because of the Passenger Compartment and Cargo Compartment as well as Fuel Storage and avionic.

Cargo Flight also have flight characteristic design to take heavy loading, meaning harder suspension and stronger tyre. And the braking can also be hard as you can shake the cargo violently but you cannot shake your passenger violently.

Basically, without talking about a whole lot of Avionic, Flight and Aerodynamic. If you want to use a Cargo Plane and use it as a passenger jet liner, unless you don't change anything and basically without anything in it, you will then need to move the center of gravity (mean redesigning the flight line) to offset the weight you added (Toilet, Cabin, insulation, Pressurization equipment, Fire Proof Bulkhead and stuff like that) And then y ou have to replace suspension, engine, brake, ailerons, flap, stabiliser, actuator and tyres for flight comfort and new aerodynamic result from the change of gravity.

Or you have your president ride on an unmodified Y-20, that's like have the President of the United States transported by a C-17 everywhere....lol

Mrs. Clinton will disgrace with you.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Because we need to acquire the certificate from the West. And without the certificate, our jetliners would not be allowed to land on your airports.

To build the Y-20 is way more complicated than to build the C919, and the Y-20 is fully indigenous without any foreign components.

We can also build the C919 with full indigenous components. And before to acquire the certificate from the West, the C919 with the indigenous components can still fly domestically without traveling to the foreign countries.

Lool Nope. If that was the case, you would have long built a comercial jet liner which would have been opertional all over the world long ago.
You dont need our approval/certification to do that, if you could, you would have done it long ago and at least fly it first in your on country and then venturing abroad. It was always lack of capabilities back then not anything to do with western approval/certification.

You said its easier and less complex to build a military plane than a commercial plane?? Are you even serious or you are joking? If that ws the case why didnt you build one in the first place long time ago before building a military transport plane of similar size?

Every experienced western aviation expert will disagree with that statement completely. Do you even know the amount of tests/safety measures/time/complexity that it takes to build a large commercial plane ? Lol. Its not like military projects where there are less stringents measures, with commercial planes its virtualy the lives of hundreds of civilians of several nations which is at stake and the reputation of the country. Its just useless even comparing the two. For example a amall privte british company Reaction engines has been developed an engine/project SABRE which is the first engine in the world to enable the transition from single-use multi-stage launch vehicles to multi-use single stage launch vehicles by operating in two rocket modes: initially in air-breathing mode and subsequently in conventional rocket mode, which theoretically enables travel anywhere on Earth in four hours or less. It has already finalised designs for space travel derived from this project. However even though BAE( which acquired 20% of the company)with all its decades of experience and skills, it still said that this technology will first be used in launching payloads into orbit cheaper and faster by 2020 while low-cost space travel possible for commercial customer will take far more time since building a civilian version (that flies people) for such a project is more complex/demanding/risky than doing so in other fields.

By the way you also got Ukrainian help in your Y-20, since the Wings for your Y-20 transport plane were developed by Ukrainian Antonov Design Bureau. So dont act as if you do everything alone without any foreign help while only are below you as they cooperate/get input from other foreign countries.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

/risky than doing so in other fields.

By the way you also got Ukrainian help in your Y-20, since the Wings for your Y-20 transport plane were developed by Ukrainian Antonov Design Bureau. So dont act as if you do everything alone without any foreign help while only are below you as they cooperate/get input from other foreign countries.

Nope, the Y-20 is the product of China's decades of accumulated experience from its aviation industry.

We did absorb some experience from Ukraine, but still, the Y-20 was designed by China.

The design of the Y-20 is fundamentally different from those Antonov cargo planes.

Today's Ukraine cannot even feed themselves, yet you expect them to design the aircraft for us? This is utterly laughable.

 

[Aepsilons]

Anyway, congrats to Japan. @Nihonjin1051 what engine (which is said to be very efficient) does this plane use?, since thats the most critical part of any plane.

Pratt & Whitney.

 

[jhungary]

Because we need to acquire the certificate from the West. And without the certificate, our jetliners would not be allowed to land on your airports.

To build the Y-20 is way more complicated than to build the C919, and the Y-20 is fully indigenous without any foreign components.

We can also build the C919 with full indigenous components. And before to acquire the certificate from the West, the C919 with the indigenous components can still fly domestically without traveling to the foreign countries.



Mrs. Clinton will disgrace with you.

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dude, that's just a cargo plan with passenger seat, this is not any modification as there are no luxury amenity on the plane, she may as well use the side jump seat THAT WERE ALREADY bolted to the side of the Cargo Transport.

 

[Beast]

dude, that's just a cargo plan with passenger seat, this is not any modification as there are no luxury amenity on the plane, she may as well use the side jump seat THAT WERE ALREADY bolted to the side of the Cargo Transport.

That can still be called a modification, right?

 

[jhungary]

That can still be called a modification, right?

no, that is not....That was part of the pre-ordered configuration, they are supposed to do that. Cargo plane also used to transport troop you know. You can configure any Cargo plane to do troop transport (With seat lined both side and centreline) or Cargo (With no seat at all) or both (With seat on both side and cargo stow on the centre)

Just like a jetliner. You would not call adjusting the seating arrangement "Modification" right?

And in case you are still wondering, if a Cargo plane were to use for passenger transport, there are no amenity on board, that means you don't have Toilet, you don't have bulkhead, you don't have cabin station, you don't have galley. Which basically make any cargo plane not qualified to fly civilian route.

As I said, you can of course use a Y-20 for Presidential Transport, if he or she don't mind to pee and crap on the floor, have nothing to eat, have nothing to drink, have a bumpy ride all the way, and probably hit his head every time the plane lands

 

[pher]

Hehe, the last aircraft developed by the same Mitsubishi was called YS-11, which enjoyed another famous nickname : King of crashing in the world. Of its total production 182, fatal occurence 36 and crashed 26, costing lives of 254. The crashing rate hit a staggering high of 14.2%.

Aviation Safety Network > ASN Aviation Safety Database > Type index > ASN Aviation Safety Database results

This time although a marjority of the components of MRJ come from abroad even including the technical manuals, hope it could do a better job than its older brother YS-11.

 

[Zero_wing]

Well anyhow good luck with following test flight finally some original concepts can't say about some other country thought

 

[Kompromat]

Looks amazing..

 

[Aepsilons]

Some internal specs,

 

[Zero_wing]

Man can't wait

 

[oproh]

Hehe, the last aircraft developed by the same Mitsubishi was called YS-11, which enjoyed another famous nickname : King of crashing in the world. Of its total production 182, fatal occurence 36 and crashed 26, costing lives of 254. The crashing rate hit a staggering high of 14.2%.

Aviation Safety Network > ASN Aviation Safety Database > Type index > ASN Aviation Safety Database results

This time although a marjority of the components of MRJ come from abroad even including the technical manuals, hope it could do a better job than its older brother YS-11.

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Scary, so riding a japanese made plane then is like a trip to afterlife. Good luck to the future passenger of this plane.

 

[Zero_wing]

haha chinese troll is making fun of plane from Japan with better quality ha the irony