‘Mission completed’: Ukraine minister says warplanes on the way

[Viet]

Not ww3 but nuclear winter. If Russia starts losing in Ukraine, Russia might use nukes and win. Question then is will US or UK use nukes on Russia in response.

Talking about nukes. By that logic Putin can throw nukes left and right if any future invasion is not going well as planned. Why USSR didn’t throw nukes before leaving Afghanistan?
Even if Putin drops nukes in Ukraine, 94 percent Ukraine would continue to fight until the bitter end, only 6 percent would surrender. That shows a recent poll.

US, UK certainly won’t nuke Russia Ukraine is not part of the nato.

If Russia uses nukes I am pretty sure the western countries would run arming with nukes.

And certainly lots of eastern countries from Japan, Korea, Australia, Vietnam as well.

 

[casual]

Talking about nukes. By that logic Putin can throw nukes left and right if any future invasion is not going well as planned. Why USSR didn’t throw nukes before leaving Afghanistan?
Even if Putin drops nukes in Ukraine, 94 percent Ukraine would continue to fight until the bitter end, only 6 percent would surrender. That shows a recent poll.

US, UK certainly won’t nuke Russia Ukraine is not part of the nato.

If Russia uses nukes I am pretty sure the western countries would run arming with nukes.

And certainly lots of eastern countries from Japan, Korea, Australia, Vietnam as well.

bro, Putin aint Gorbachev. wouldn't take many nukes to slaughter 94% of Ukraine

 

[Viet]

bro, Putin aint Gorbachev. wouldn't take many nukes to slaughter 94% of Ukraine

Ukraine has a size larger than Germany Russia would drop the entire tactical arsenal. hundreds of nukes. Even so. what’s the point turning a neighbor country into nuclear ashes killing all population? Human should be smarter than animals. Is not Putin’s intention to save some poor separatists in Donbas?
Gorbashew knew economy matters not nukes.

 

[fitpOsitive]

War feels good when it is fought in someone elses land..
Europe will pay the price of this video gaming.

 

[casual]

Ukraine has a size larger than Germany Russia would drop the entire tactical arsenal. hundreds of nukes. Even so. what’s the point turning a neighbor country into nuclear ashes killing all population? Human should be smarter than animals. Is not Putin’s intention to save some poor separatists in Donbas?
Gorbashew knew economy matters not nukes.

first of all, it would take 30 nukes to wipe Ukraine three time over. Second, Russia has ALOT more than hundreds of nukes.

 

[Viet]

first of all, it would take 30 nukes to wipe Ukraine three time over. Second, Russia has ALOT more than hundreds of nukes.

You don’t know what you talking of. Russia won’t use ICBMs on Ukraine. I don’t think the Russians are mad enough. There is a nuclear threshold. 400 Icmbs would kill off every inhabitants on earth. Including all people in China, there is nothing to cheer about.

Putin if any would use low yields nukes. 30 would kill off Ukraine. He would need hundreds. I have seen war plans. Soviet nuclear assault on western Germany they would need hundreds of. The Nato would return with hundreds of nukes on Soviet army.

Even if west Germany was overran the West army would initiate nuclear land mines to kill off the Soviet invasion armies.

 

[casual]

You don’t know what you talking of. Russia won’t use ICBMs on Ukraine. I don’t think the Russians are mad enough. There is a nuclear threshold. 400 Icmbs would kill off every inhabitants on earth. Including all people in China, there is nothing to cheer about.

Putin if any would use low yields nukes. 30 would kill off Ukraine. He would need hundreds. I have seen war plans. Soviet nuclear assault on western Germany they would need hundreds of. The Nato would return with hundreds of nukes on Soviet army.

Even if west Germany was overran the West army would initiate nuclear land mines to kill off the Soviet invasion armies.

So what makes you the Putin expert? Your own posts are very contradictory with each other. One post you suggest Putin blew up Nord Stream because he is insane. Now you are suggesting Putin is sane and won't use the standard 2 megaton warheads in his nuke arsenal. Also, we are talking about Ukraine here, not western Germany. Would Nato nuke Russia over Ukraine if Russia nuked Ukraine? I don't think so.

and no, i'm not cheering. i'm trying to make people see the need for western countries to pressure Ukraine on peace negotiations with Russia.

 

[FuturePAF]

Don't think they will transfer A-10 alone, it would have been very late stage if they are getting A-10, that's the final bit of the Combine Arms Tactics. I suspected they are either going to give them some F-16 or F-15C first, or together with the A-10. But that most likely would not be this year or at the very end.

Then in that case, go with the F-16. One engine, cheaper to maintain and operate, and probably easier to learn considering how many European air forces can advise and supply Ukrainian operators.

 

[jhungary]

first of all, it would take 30 nukes to wipe Ukraine three time over. Second, Russia has ALOT more than hundreds of nukes.

Would love to see how much fall out those 30 nukes will blow over to Poland and blow back to Moscow if Russia actually used them. Fall out will not stay with Ukraine you know that. right?

The issue with nuke has been debated over and over again, too big of a nuke you will blow back to Poland, Romania, Belarus and Russia itself, too small you may as well stick with thermobaric weapon, and finally, you would need to be really naive to think the West will let Russia to use nuke without any consequence.

It's a different matrix of threaten to use nuke or escalate before and after you had used it, because if you say that BEFORE you use them, there is a chance you will not use them, but when you say that after you use them, there are no chance you will not use them, because they were already USED. The threat matrix is different, that's why the question is not whether the west will response if and when Russia use nuke, but rather will Russia want to escalate to that stage for them to use nuke.

 

[Ahmadbhutta01]

West wouldn't provide western jets atleast usa for the fear of losing them in a battle that would bring bad publicity to their jets

 

[jhungary]

Then in that case, go with the F-16. One engine, cheaper to maintain and operate, and probably easier to learn considering how many European air forces can advise and supply Ukrainian operators.

I don't think the West will supply Ukraine a number of aircraft that large that would have a maintenance and operational problem. You are probably talking about 1 to 2 squadron.

West wouldn't provide western jets atleast usa for the fear of losing them in a battle that would bring bad publicity to their jets

Dude, Russian MIG got shit on every which way (got trashed in Middle East, Vietnam War, Korean War and even the War in Ukraine) did it ever dissuade country from buying MIG??

 

[FuturePAF]

I don't think the West will supply Ukraine a number of aircraft that large that would have a maintenance and operational problem. You are probably talking about 1 to 2 squadron.


Dude, Russian MIG got shit on every which way (got trashed in Middle East, Vietnam War, Korean War and even the War in Ukraine) did it ever dissuade country from buying MIG??

Do you think 1-2 squadrons will be enough, or will the “pipeline of pilots” be built up, and depending on how the war goes, announce every few months an additional x number of planes have been supplied to Ukraine?

 

[jhungary]

Do you think 1-2 squadrons will be enough, or will the “pipeline of pilots” be built up, and depending on how the war goes, announce every few months an additional x number of planes have been supplied to Ukraine?

Do you mean Western Aircraft or Western Stock of old Soviet Aircraft?

1 - 2 squadron refer to the former and during this war, they will need all the old Soviet MIG the West has.

The problem for Western Aircraft is that you need 3 to 4 years to train and fix a logistical base in the Area, you will need spare parts, know how and mechanic to fix any of them, it's not a plug and play style equipment even if we are talking about Tanks. Which mean unless we based our Mechanic in Ukraine or did what we did with Afghanistan and based contractor in Ukraine, they cannot absorb a large amount of Western Aircraft during this war, because anything goes wrong they would have to pull them back to Poland or Romania in order for a NATO mechanic to look at.

After this war, when Ukraine build back their technology and rebuild most of their aviation technology base (like the Antonov Plant in Hostomel) then they may be able to able to make enough parts and train enough mechanic for basic Western model (like FA-50 or BAe Hawk or any other trainer/converter), but a full integration for advance Western Jet will not come maybe in the next decade.

 

[ziaulislam]

East Timor is not separarist, Indonesia invaded the country in 1977

Well then ukriane was always part of USSR

 

[Viet]

So what makes you the Putin expert? Your own posts are very contradictory with each other. One post you suggest Putin blew up Nord Stream because he is insane. Now you are suggesting Putin is sane and won't use the standard 2 megaton warheads in his nuke arsenal. Also, we are talking about Ukraine here, not western Germany. Would Nato nuke Russia over Ukraine if Russia nuked Ukraine? I don't think so.

and no, i'm not cheering. i'm trying to make people see the need for western countries to pressure Ukraine on peace negotiations with Russia.

Where did I say Putin and his hooligans blew up the pipelines?

he had reasons to do that but I don’t think he did.