‘Mission completed’: Ukraine minister says warplanes on the way

[KingMamba]

A10 would be an amazing pickup for Ukraine. Anyone saying its too old doesn’t know how good that bird really is.

 

[khansaheeb]

If they do provide aircraft, I be curious what will be provided.

A-10s? The U.S. military is thinking about getting rid of them, almost 280 of them total with many more in storage that can be used for spare parts. Might as well provide them a new home in Ukraine for short and long term with current war and deter Russia in future. Replaces their Su-25s. Long range weaponry can keep them viable.

Tornado?

The UK retired them years ago. But they are in storage in the hundreds I believe. Germany retired half of theirs also in the hundreds and plan to retired the rest. Lots of aircraft and spare parts.

F-16.

The U.S. have some F-16s they want to get rid of. And F-16s are cheap and still in production and is multirole compared to the other aircraft I mentioned above not to mention ready to go along with plentiful spare parts especially in Europe.

But it takes approx 9 months to train a pilot for a new plane but it may be too late by then unless NATO provide pilots too.

 

[BHAN85]

They WILL have Western Jet eventually, but not this year, probably not next year, and probably after this confrontation ends.

And it will be most likely F-16 or FA-50 (If it was after this war)

The west will give them all their old Soviet Jet in order to try to win the war for Ukraine, if this doesn't work, US probably will give them old F-16 on condition.

This confrontation will never end.

Pro-Russian will remain in Donbass, and Kyiv will never stop of bomb them, as they never stop since 2014.

 

[Viet]

This confrontation will never end.

Pro-Russian will remain in Donbass, and Kyiv will never stop of bomb them, as they never stop since 2014.

Putin bombs the Chechen separatists, Chechen cities to ashes. Why I don’t see no complaint?

Why complaining Ukraine bombs the separatists?

Name me a country that tolerates separatists!

 

[Ahmed_Bhai]

Who is NATO going to have WW3 with?? It can't be Russia - they can cannot beat Ukraine... so not exactly a worthy candidate to have "WW3" with??

Do telll where/how WW3 will happen?

China, Russia anyone else who's sick of American hegemony.

 

[Genghis khan1]

A10 would be an amazing pickup for Ukraine. Anyone saying its too old doesn’t know how good that bird really is.

A10 can only be deployed in an uncontested airspace. Russians will duck shoot A10s and for that reason You will never see A10s in Ukraine.

 

[jhungary]

This confrontation will never end.

Pro-Russian will remain in Donbass, and Kyiv will never stop of bomb them, as they never stop since 2014.

This war is going to end, Russia don't have enough money to keep this war beyond 2023. The matter only will be how this war is going to end. At this point, there aren't many people left in Donbas, Russia would need to deport people to Donbass to live there if they kept it. Both Russian force and Rebel force suffered extremely high casualty. And Russia can't afford to mobilise another round of soldier, they don't need to have the actual mobilisation in place, just the talk about it would probably be enough to trigger another massive exodus like it was before.

It really depends on how this current Russian counter offensive going, if they cannot crawl a lot more land form Ukraine, then Ukraine will most likely broke DNR/LNR force come their own summer offensive.

 

[BHAN85]

Putin bombs the Chechen separatists, Chechen cities to ashes. Why I don’t see no complaint?

Why complaining Ukraine bombs the separatists?

Name me a country that tolerates separatists!

In Spain we tolerate them, although bombs were near in 2017 color revolution separatist mayhem , but nobody was killed, thanks god.

From Russia point of view, Ukraine is Russia, and Kyiv are the separatists. And in some way they are right, Ukraine history is more under Moscow rule than under Western influence. But I dont justify Kremlin, they are beasts, and it's criminal what they are doing in Ukraine.

This war is going to end, Russia don't have enough money to keep this war beyond 2023. The matter only will be how this war is going to end. At this point, there aren't many people left in Donbas, Russia would need to deport people to Donbass to live there if they kept it. Both Russian force and Rebel force suffered extremely high casualty. And Russia can't afford to mobilise another round of soldier, they don't need to have the actual mobilisation in place, just the talk about it would probably be enough to trigger another massive exodus like it was before.

It really depends on how this current Russian counter offensive going, if they cannot crawl a lot more land form Ukraine, then Ukraine will most likely broke DNR/LNR force come their own summer offensive.

Hard current war will end, but Ukraine unstabilization is here to stay.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Putin bombs the Chechen separatists, Chechen cities to ashes. Why I don’t see no complaint?

Why complaining Ukraine bombs the separatists?

Name me a country that tolerates separatists!

as a matter of fact there was a lot of complaint about those even after chechens resorted to terrorism and bombed metros even kidnapped school full of children as hostages and killed them and in chechen issue part of (you can say Major part) of population sided with Russia have you forgot that ?

 

[Skull and Bones]

Any new platform will be as good as useless for Ukrainians, looks like some used Mig-29s.

 

[Hack-Hook]

This war is going to end, Russia don't have enough money to keep this war beyond 2023. The matter only will be how this war is going to end. At this point, there aren't many people left in Donbas, Russia would need to deport people to Donbass to live there if they kept it. Both Russian force and Rebel force suffered extremely high casualty. And Russia can't afford to mobilise another round of soldier, they don't need to have the actual mobilisation in place, just the talk about it would probably be enough to trigger another massive exodus like it was before.

It really depends on how this current Russian counter offensive going, if they cannot crawl a lot more land form Ukraine, then Ukraine will most likely broke DNR/LNR force come their own summer offensive.

you believe 300000 is all Russia can afford , if so you are very wrong .
and that summer offensive have chance of success only if russia can't get more effective anti armor weapon from somewhere else and don't store enough drone to deal with it at the time

 

[Dalit]

The US NATO are never going to provide sophisticated jets. Not in a million years.

This is a face saving exercise after comedian Zelensky requested for fighter jets immediately after securing a handful of tanks. Good pressuring move by the comedian. The Western nations obviously feel pressured to oblige.

Something will be worked out to make it look good, but it will be meagre and insufficient. Everyone was jumping up and down when US NATO had announced the tank supplies. In the end the numbers are meaningless and it remains to be seen how the logistics is worked out.

 

[jhungary]

you believe 300000 is all Russia can afford , if so you are very wrong .
and that summer offensive have chance of success only if russia can't get more effective anti armor weapon from somewhere else and don't store enough drone to deal with it at the time

You can always bum rush "Enemy at the Gate" style then yes, they can get 5 millions Russian or 15 millions Russian to do that, I mean give them all AK, maybe 10 mag each, put them in a truck, and drive them to Ukraine frontline and then tell them to go forward or I shoot you in the back, yes, I don't expect they can only muster 300,000 if this is the case.

But if you want an effective fighting force, you can't get that amount of number trained up, give them proper equipment, give them proper leadership and organised an attack thru the Ukranian line, then no, even 300,000 is a high ceiling number, you can't train, equip and lead said amount of force in any organised way within 1 year.

And anti-armor weapon only work for Ukraine because Russian is not conducting what the west called "Combine Arms Tactics" I am a tanker myself, I am qualified for both Abrams and Bradley, I don't even know what Russian armour is for? as I said many times, you negate that Man Portable Anti-Tank threat by using combine arm tactics and screen your position with infantry, the way Russia use tank is very laughable, and honestly funny if not that many people died in vein I would probably laugh til I felt out my chair, if you know anything about Armour warfare, no one in their right mind will travel neatly in a convoy without infantry screening inside enemy territories, it's basically asking for people to shoot you. You screen the road ahead with light infantry with fast vehicle before the tank roll in, that's what calvary scout is for, that's why we are not just giving them M1 Abrams and Leo 2, but also Stryker and Marauder. Would Tank still be destroyed? Yes of course, but doing so will minimized the loss, because you probably can get 1 shot off and then light infantry will find you and take you out, instead of the same AT team destroying 3 or 5 Russian tank in one single engagement.

From the timeline the west gave on their tank delivery, the Ukrainian is taking a full western treatment, 20 weeks for a tank commander, 13 weeks for loader and driver, and 24 weeks for mechanics. That's the same course I went thru, so that mean they are not just giving them tank, but also teaching them how to fight with those.

 

[jhungary]

Hard current war will end, but Ukraine unstabilization is here to stay.

well, I will say the Russian did a very good job uniting the Ukrainian. I mean, I personally know a few Ukrainian that have VERY favorable view toward the Russian before this and now they all joined the AFU fighting them. I even quoted a post of a person I know who was born in transnistria (a very pro-Russia splinter province in Moldova) here saying how she deprise the Russian invasion.

Russia can't do much after 23 beside lobbing some missile or suicide drone if they have to, but than that threat would have been challenged by the soon to be deployed PAC battery (3 unit from Germany, US and Netherland) And post war, US and allies are going to have a free hand on arming Ukraine since the war no longer existed. After this current status of war ends, you can expect Ukraine to jump ahead of most EU country into one of the powerhouse military power in Europe. And you know why? Because giving them weapon to fight the battle for EU is always cheaper than NATO fight them themselves. They are going to be more than willing to give them what the Ukrainian want to drag this out as long as possible so EU can rearm.

 

[Viet]

as a matter of fact there was a lot of complaint about those even after chechens resorted to terrorism and bombed metros even kidnapped school full of children as hostages and killed them and in chechen issue part of (you can say Major part) of population sided with Russia have you forgot that ?

You don’t see the comics?
Putin bombs the Chechen separatists.
Russia warplanes bomb Syria separatists.
Apparently the Russians hate separatism.
So why they support own foreign separatists in Georgia, Moldavia and Ukraine?