Mirwaiz urges international community to shun double standards on Kashmir

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

Oh, and regarding "democratically elected Omar Abdullah" - regardless of the fact he is lacking a political mandate due to voter turn out, one can but only fathom to what extent the term "democratically elected" matters in India's suppression of Kashmir, seeing how the '87 elections of his father were wholly democratic without instances of mass interference by the Indian State to produce a result desirable to the occupation.

 

[Paan Singh]

Is this the same 'language of the gun' that the Indian People experienced in Jallianwala Bagh from the British? Because it seems to be - at least in the almost identical case of the Gawakadal massacre.

"Equal destruction" - somehow, I'm curious at your justification for this - Pakistan doesn't have 700,000 troops within the Kashmir valley, neither are there 800,000 women suffering from PTSD in Pakistani Kashmir.

Once again, I'll cite the Citizen's Council for Justice Report. There's a lovely few tables about the "equal destruction" and "language of the gun" used by the Indian State, I'm sure even one that is at the epitome of delusion can read it.

1)I mean to say that kashmir can be ruled under gun unless until we find a permanent solution of it coz pakistan will continue to send guerilla's and we will continue to kill them.

2)Yes,Kashmir used to be calm but after 1989 when pakistanis sent militants,every thing changed and total number of troops are 150000 not 700000.Dont trust propaganda figures.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

This discussion as about the Indian Army, not the Pakistani Army. If you're going to justify your acts of terror by referencing to ones done by other states, then I am obliged to tell you that Al Qaida and the Taliban do just the same; whatever that says about your mentality be suggestive of a wider culture of indifference and apathy to the use of terror in India.

Well, i was showing you the mirror that if you will use this argument as a yardstick to call armed forces around the world as terrorists organisations then i am also obliged to tell you that your country and its armed forces (which is pakistan) holds the unparalleled record in it.so please refrain from calling other armed forces as terrorists or be ready to hear the same. Heck even Armed forces of US,UK,China,Russia will be labelled as terrorist organisations than! no? Because almost all of them use there forces to curb armed rebellion against the state.

But unfortunately for you, this is not how things work in this world, its almost other-way around. Thats why you even mentioned in your post that Al Qaida and Taliban just do the same, which might not be shared by even your countrymen.

 

[KS]

Neither do I understand that India has initiated pogroms against its minorities, or the fact that the Indian State is complicit in the use of terror networks to maintain control on Kashmir, tactics that dictators past and present have used and are using.

The only pogrom against minority in Kashmir was that of the Kashmiri Muslims against the Hindu pandits.

And yes, if you aim for secession, most probably only the gun will speak. Man up and face it.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

Oh, and regarding "democratically elected Omar Abdullah" - regardless of the fact he is lacking a political mandate due to voter turn out, one can but only fathom to what extent the term "democratically elected" matters in India's suppression of Kashmir, seeing how the '87 elections of his father were wholly democratic without instances of mass interference by the Indian State to produce a result desirable to the occupation.

LOL....Fail Again!

There was record turnout in last assembly election in J&K

Turnout rose by 17%, despite calls from Kashmiri separatists and Pakistan for Kashmiris to boycott the election. INC head Sonia Gandhi described the polls as "a triumph of Indian democracy".

Jammu and Kashmir state assembly elections, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Voter Turnout in Jammu and Kashmir, 2002 & 2008

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

The only pogrom against minority in Kashmir was that of the Kashmiri Muslims against the Hindu pandits.

And yes, if you aim for secession, most probably only the gun will speak. Man up and face it.

I was refering to the 1983 pogrom against the Sikhs in India - you also seem to think that religious affiliation is connected to terrorism, which is absurd.

 

[KS]

I was refering to the 1983 pogrom against the Sikhs in India - you also seem to think that religious affiliation is connected to terrorism, which is absurd.

In case of Kashmir its a clear case of religious supremacism which manifested into terrorism. No point denying.

BTW you are a Kashmiri..so talk for Kashmiris..the Sikhs can talk for themselves.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

LOL....Fail Again!

There was record turnout in last assembly election in J&K



Jammu and Kashmir state assembly elections, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Voter Turnout in Jammu and Kashmir, 2002 & 2008

Re-read what I said - Abdullah still doesn't have a mandate for inflicting terror.

In case of Kashmir its a clear case of religious supremacism which manifested into terrorism. No point denying.

So you're telling me the 1983 massacre of Sikhs was due to Hindu religious supremacism of the Indian State?

 

[KS]

So you're telling me the 1983 massacre of Sikhs was due to Hindu religious supremacism of the Indian State?

Im telling you limit your scope to Kashmir as you have nothing to do with the Sikhs.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

Well, i was showing you the mirror that if you will use this argument as a yardstick to call armed forces around the world as terrorists organisations then i am also obliged to tell you that your country and its armed forces (which is pakistan) holds the unparalleled record in it.so please refrain from calling other armed forces as terrorists or be ready to hear the same. Heck even Armed forces of US,UK,China,Russia will be labelled as terrorist organisations than! no? Because almost all of them use there forces to curb armed rebellion against the state.

But unfortunately for you, this is not how things work in this world, its almost other-way around. Thats why you even mentioned in your post that Al Qaida and Taliban just do the same, which might not be shared by even your countrymen.

You're acting as if the US or UK use terror networks to maintain control on territories to which they have a sovereign claim, I'll cite the following example for why you're wrong here and why your peer KS is wrong when he states "And yes, if you aim for secession, most probably only the gun will speak. Man up and face it"; there is a referendum on Scottish Independence in 2014.

China and Russia are note worthy for their usage of terror police networks, I don't know why you brought it up. Then again, I've no idea why you've brought up Pakistani instances of human rights violations - if I did consider myself a Pakistani, then it would be only right for me to know about the terrorism my State would be inflicting - just like how you should know the Indian State is guilty of terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir.

Im telling you limit your scope to Kashmir as you have nothing to do with the Sikhs.

There's Kashmiri Sikhs, furthermore, the fact that the Indian State conducted a pogrom against the Sikh Community in India shows that it does have a terror network which it is not scared to use, and has been using in Kashmir.

1)I mean to say that kashmir can be ruled under gun unless until we find a permanent solution of it coz pakistan will continue to send guerilla's and we will continue to kill them.

2)Yes,Kashmir used to be calm but after 1989 when pakistanis sent militants,every thing changed and total number of troops are 150000 not 700000.Dont trust propaganda figures.

I'm glad that everything that goes against the official narrative of the Indian State is deemed "propaganda" and that the "rule of gun", which is merely a euphemism for State-sponsored terrorism, can be justified by yourself against the Kashmiri people regardless of democratic rights.

 

[KS]

There's Kashmiri Sikhs, furthermore, the fact that the Indian State conducted a pogrom against the Sikh Community in India shows that it does have a terror network which it is not scared to use, and has been using in Kashmir.

The Kashmiri sikhs were thrown out when the Kashmiri muslim terrorists along with their backers in Pakistan purged them from Kashmir. Just like the Pandits. Your constant attempts to deflect the religious terrorism in Kashmir - the biggest victims of which are the Pandits and Sikhs by trying to bring in the Punjab insurgency which is totally unrelated to this is ridiculous and laughable.

The jehadis in Kashmir ran a campaign of hate, religious fascism and terror by systematically cleansing Kashmir valley of its hindu and sikh inhabitants and Im glad they were answered in the only language they knew. There is no point crying over it. They got what they deserved and were taught a lesson they wont forget for a 100 years.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

The Kashmiri sikhs were thrown out when the Kashmiri muslim terrorists along with their backers in Pakistan purged them from Kashmir. Just like the Pandits. Your constant attempts to deflect the religious terrorism in Kashmir - the biggest victims of which are the Pandits and Sikhs by trying to bring in the Punjab insurgency which is totally unrelated to this is ridiculous and laughable.

The jehadis in Kashmir ran a campaign of hate, religious fascism and terror by systematically cleansing Kashmir valley of its hindu and sikh inhabitants and Im glad they were answered in the only language they knew. There is no point crying over it. They got what they deserved and were taught a lesson they wont forget for a 100 years.

You forgot to mention the ethnic cleansing of muslims by so called "Hindu" terrorists. Unlike you I don't associate barbarism with religion. Fascism works better as a state idealogy, by the way; it's what the Indian State's been preaching for years in Kashmir.

Oh, I'd love for you to tell me how this oh-so-strong Bharat Mata army of hundreds of thousands was unable to stop terrorism by "foreign miscreants". Or how you justify the plethora of atrocities by the Indian Army against Kashmiris.

Before I forget, I consider Kashmiri Sikhs/Hindus/Buddhists the same as Kashmiri Muslims. And I condone whole-heartedly the attacks on the pandit community by extremist elements, as I've already stated in other threads.

 

[Yeti]

Panun Kashmir must be created for Kashmiri Pandits so they can live with peace in the valley without the threat of militants.

 

[KS]

You forgot to mention the ethnic cleansing of muslims by so called "Hindu" terrorists. Unlike you I don't associate barbarism with religion. Fascism works better as a state idealogy, by the way; it's what the Indian State's been preaching for years in Kashmir.

I associate because religion was the primary cause why the Pandits and Sikhs were ethnically cleansed from Kashmir by the Kashmiri jehadis and their backers in Pakistan. The Pndits and Sikhs were followers of a lesser god according to them and that was sufficient to chase them away.

Yahan kya chalega, Nizam - e - Mustafa, Nizam-e-Mustafa...Islam hamara maksad hai,Kuran hamara dastur hai,Jehad hamara rasta hai...Kashmir kya banega - Pakistan....Allah-o-Akbar, Musalmano jago Kafiro bhago, jehad aa raha hai....Kashmir main rahna hai, Allah-ho-Akbar Kahna hoga....Asi gachi Pakistan, Bata ros ta batanev san...

Wonder what these are..? these are the fascistic slogans used by the jehadis when they ethnically cleansed the Kashmiri Pandits from their indigenous homes. So let it be known that I have zero sympathies for your lot.

Oh, I'd love for you to tell me how this oh-so-strong Bharat Mata army of hundreds of thousands was unable to stop terrorism by "foreign miscreants". Or how you justify the plethora of atrocities by the Indian Army against Kashmiris.

It has been stopped 99%. Which world are you living in..?

Before I forget, I consider Kashmiri Sikhs/Hindus/Buddhists the same as Kashmiri Muslims. And I condone whole-heartedly the attacks on the pandit community by extremist elements, as I've already stated in other threads.

Oh well, your brethern on this side did not think so and that is why the Pandits are still living as refugges in the camps in Delhi, Jammu, Maharashtra and Rajasthan. Your sophistry will not take away the cruelty and barbarity inflicted in the name of religion on the Pandits. And they are paying for it.

 

[Kashmiri Nationalist]

I associate because religion was the primary cause why the Pandits and Sikhs were ethnically cleansed from Kashmir by the Kashmiri jehadis and their backers in Pakistan. The Pndits and Sikhs were followers of a lesser god according to them and that was sufficient to chase them away.

Yahan kya chalega, Nizam - e - Mustafa, Nizam-e-Mustafa...Islam hamara maksad hai,Kuran hamara dastur hai,Jehad hamara rasta hai...Kashmir kya banega - Pakistan....Allah-o-Akbar, Musalmano jago Kafiro bhago, jehad aa raha hai....Kashmir main rahna hai, Allah-ho-Akbar Kahna hoga....Asi gachi Pakistan, Bata ros ta batanev san...

Wonder what these are..? these are the fascistic slogans used by the jehadis when they ethnically cleansed the Kashmiri Pandits from their indigenous homes. So let it be known that I have zero sympathies for your lot.





It has been stopped 99%. Which world are you living in..?



Oh well, your brethern on this side did not think so and that is why the Pandits are still living as refugges in the camps in Delhi, Jammu, Maharashtra and Rajasthan. Your sophistry will not take away the cruelty and barbarity inflicted in the name of religion on the Pandits. And they are paying for it.

Again, I don't associate religion with terrorism, neither do I support terrorism. The Indian Government has made no attempt to repatriate the Pandits to Kashmir, so you'll have to accept the fact that Pandits in camps suits the interests of the self-absorbed Indian Political Class entirely.

The Indian Army was in Kashmir during the exodus of the Pandits - why couldn't they stop it? Why did the Indian state allow for it to occur?