Minister Railways Saad Rafique - Performance check?

[VCheng]

no not really, but then again, if you look at things progressing for last 7 8 years it do gives you a good feeling. People are realizing the ACTUAL problems, and are starting to work solution. I hope if things can be kept on the same track they are on right now we will eventually start yielding benefits in a few years time. AS you said, no point is waiting for a miracle, things will take time to improve and we just need to play our part.

Okay, for purposes of discussion, let us assume that things have been indeed progressing for the last 8 years as you contend. Please tell me what progress parameters gives you a good feeling and on what basis?

PS: You may want to read what I just posted here before replying:

Pakistan's Energy & Water - News and Updates | Page 37

 

[Arsalan]

Okay, for purposes of discussion, let us assume that things have been indeed progressing for the last 8 years as you contend. Please tell me what progress parameters gives you a good feeling and on what basis?

PS: You may want to read what I just posted here before replying:

Pakistan's Energy & Water - News and Updates | Page 37

Oh no no, perhaps i was not able to make myself clear. I am NOT if a view that the government or their governance have made any significant progress, at best, they are just close to undoing the horrors of PPP era
The progress i am pointing to is being made by the nation, the level of there awareness, there involvement in political developments and influence in the same. The political parties will/are realizing this progress made by the nation and will have to change there attitude accordingly, else they know now that people will NOT elect person involved in scandals like the efidren case, next step, these same parties will realize that if they EVEN GIVE TICKET to such corrupt people that will not make them lose just one seat of that particular candidate but will have a significant effect on over all party position. When this is the case, the worst of the people will be filtered out (assuming the democratic cycle will continue as it is at the moment)
Introduction of a third party (major party) in our political system have helped a lot, even if the critics say that they are all the same, i will ask them to just tell me were the nation, the youth included ever so much interested in politics in 80 and 90s? if not then do they think this current involvement is not good? These are the things that will surely mean a lot as we move forward from here.

 

[VCheng]

Oh no no, perhaps i was not able to make myself clear. I am NOT if a view that the government or their governance have made any significant progress, at best, they are just close to undoing the horrors of PPP era
The progress i am pointing to is being made by the nation, the level of there awareness, there involvement in political developments and influence in the same. The political parties will/are realizing this progress made by the nation and will have to change there attitude accordingly, else they know now that people will NOT elect person involved in scandals like the efidren case, next step, these same parties will realize that if they EVEN GIVE TICKET to such corrupt people that will not make them lose just one seat of that particular candidate but will have a significant effect on over all party position. When this is the case, the worst of the people will be filtered out (assuming the democratic cycle will continue as it is at the moment)
Introduction of a third party (major party) in our political system have helped a lot, even if the critics say that they are all the same, i will ask them to just tell me were the nation, the youth included ever so much interested in politics in 80 and 90s? if not then do they think this current involvement is not good? These are the things that will surely mean a lot as we move forward from here.

I will agree with that, except to point out that these are hopes more than anything else, which may or may not be realized. The third party is shaping up to be just as big a disappointment as all the rest of them. The youth involvement is good, but it will need a transition from social media to the real world to do any good, and there is no evidence of that either.

 

[Arsalan]

Just curious if you watched a full interview / documentary

Capital Talk airs Program on the Improvement of Railways

no i don't, and i am sorry brother but i wont!! You are referring me to same source, the Pakistan media we were both criticizing in our last post AND, in that media world too you are referring me to what?? GEO? AND the person?? HAMID MIR?? for God's sake!! If the news about corruption can be a lie, whatever this man is saying from this platform is surely a lie!! How many more proofs we Pakistani people want against Geo before we stop following this pathetic channel?

Bahi mujy ni dekhna this interview, i am a good idea of the progress being made by railway, appreciate it and hope it continues. However please do not that till now, all that have been done is that we have undone that Blor baygaritian!! Yes, the PPP minister Blor!! We are back to where we were in 2004 2005 but i am quite hopeful that we will move forward for here (talking about railway as in general there still is a lot to be done to get back to that point, PPP have done a lot good and PMLN is not doing enough to undone it all, not at a pace i expected at least! ) Inshallah!

 

[VCheng]

your suggestion to make it happen? i mean if you have something more than this hope, a way to make it happen? or is it a case that you done even have the hope either

I posted three long term strategies here, in addition to the rest:

Where to go from here?

These are the prerequisites to laying the foundation for what both you and I are hoping for here, but the chances of them happening are rather low.

 

[FaujHistorian]

no i don't, and i am sorry brother but i wont!! You are referring me to same source, the Pakistan media we were both criticizing in our last post AND, in that media world too you are referring me to what?? GEO? AND the person?? HAMID MIR?? for God's sake!! If the news about corruption can be a lie, whatever this man is saying from this platform is surely a lie!! How many more proofs we Pakistani people want against Geo before we stop following this pathetic channel?

Bahi mujy ni dekhna this interview, i am a good idea of the progress being made by railway, appreciate it and hope it continues. However please do not that till now, all that have been done is that we have undone that Blor baygaritian!! Yes, the PPP minister Blor!! We are back to where we were in 2004 2005 but i am quite hopeful that we will move forward for here (talking about railway as in general there still is a lot to be done to get back to that point, PPP have done a lot good and PMLN is not doing enough to undone it all, not at a pace i expected at least! ) Inshallah!

That's a bit extreme position by a good poster like you.

 

[Arsalan]

That's a bit extreme position by a good poster like you.

NOTHING will make me change my mind on about this one topic
I am fed up with the lies these media houses, these slutty media houses feed us with. I have seen a few feed channels giving me a nice INSIDE view to most of there Capitals and their Talks

I am sorry for disappointing you on this but to me our media is the most pathetic thing to have happened to us, worst that 71, worst that talibanization! and GEO leads by example, a pathetic one at that.

 

[VCheng]

I am sorry for disappointing you on this but to me our media is the most pathetic thing to have happened to us, worst that 71, worst that talibanization! and GEO leads by example, a pathetic one at that.

Thank the Dictator General Musharraf for this one!

 

[Arsalan]

Thank the Dictator General Musharraf for this one!

to me, it was his BIGGEST blunder, may be the only one. Specially if you consider the implications of this one the others are really dwarfed!!