Military helicopter crash in Mansehra kills at least nine

[Gufi]

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excuse me what that a compliment or an insult

cyber tactics and infrared rays

Cyber tactics on this helicopter, you must be joking...

infrared rays

directed energy which you are most probably referring to is impossible in this situation.

 

[Moon]

excuse me what that a compliment or an insult

Cyber tactics on this helicopter, you must be joking...


directed energy which you are most probably referring to is impossible in this situation.

Both, compliment for ingenuity, insult for the conclusion.

 

[Gufi]

Both, compliment for ingenuity, insult for the conclusion.

Madam ji one does not become an analyst because of ingenuity rather we have to guess the number of jelly beans in a jar...

The only thing missing from your story is "little green men" and a "flying saucer," why don't you throw that in, while you are at it?

please be polite, try and be more mature about it, some people are misguided because of what they hear, you bashing them will get them defensive and curb any learning that may have ensued.

 

[M.SAAD]

Oh dear, RIP.


Mi-17 at it again.

 

[waz]

Innah lilahi wa inaa ilahi rajeoon. RIP brothers , defenders of the fatherland.

As for the MI-17, maybe it's time to replace them, chinooks anyone?

 

[Blue Marlin]

Innah lilahi wa inaa ilahi rajeoon. RIP brothers , defenders of the fatherland.

As for the MI-17, maybe it's time to replace them, chinooks anyone?

more like the mil 38. Afghanistan was offered surplus chinooks but refused and opted for mil 17 as they had experience with then and they were cheaper to run. the mil 38 is good about 300 as a whole would be good and get them licensed .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

As for the MI-17, maybe it's time to replace them, chinooks anyone?

Questions:

- Is the attrition rate of the MI-17 in Pakistan higher or lower than MI-17's with similar levels of use elsewhere?
- The 2 recent high profile crashes have occurred in the North at higher altitude locations with bad weather/winds suspected to be the cause. Is the MI-17 more susceptible to failures in those conditions? Is it a combination of heavy use and operations at higher altitudes?
- Pal Mil maintenance standards?
- Pak Mil operator standards?

 

[waz]

more like the mil 38. Afghanistan was offered surplus chinooks but refused and opted for mil 17 as they had experience with then and they were cheaper to run. the mil 38 is good about 300 as a whole would be good and get them licensed .
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So it was just down to cost and experience? Interesting...

Questions:

- Is the attrition rate of the MI-17 in Pakistan higher or lower than MI-17's with similar levels of use elsewhere?
- The 2 recent high profile crashes have occurred in the North at higher altitude locations with bad weather/winds suspected to be the cause. Is the MI-17 more susceptible to failures in those conditions? Is it a combination of heavy use and operations at higher altitudes?
- Pal Mil maintenance standards?
- Pak Mil operator standards?

Good points. I'd say an accurate comparison would be to see ISAF's operations over high altitudes in Afghanistan with the chinooks. Although the Northern Areas are at a far higher altitude.

 

[Blue Marlin]

So it was just down to cost and experience? Interesting...



Good points. I'd say an accurate comparison would be to see ISAF's operations over high altitudes in Afghanistan with the chinooks. Although the Northern Areas are at a far higher altitude.

well obviously the Afghanistan would relay on the US for part maintenance and training. let me put it to you this way so you a better understanding. Afghanistan already has the mil 17 it has the infrastructure to support such helicopters. where as they have no experience with the chinooks at all. also with the chinook it may be cheap you buy as a surplus item and very expensive brand new($39 million), but maintenance and training is the issue when dealing with western equipment. why buy something when you already have something that can do the exact same job.

 

[Taygibay]

Flying helps is always dangerous, flying them in real mountains like those of Pakistan and India much more so.
RIP and respect to pilots and team.

But the above has me thinking that on this, Pakistan should pursue more manufacture ( and hence control )
in choppers. When money allows, there will be a need for an imposing civilian fleet too, the land is fit for it.

India itself, despite the LUH-Druv is about to replace its Chetak & Cheetahs. Normally, both of these countries
have a natural predisposition to make or at least modify helicopters for high altitude.

As things stand, I have to wonder why there even was a tender issued. Did the Alouettes not do the job? And
who else can taunt with Everest landing in their marketing :

Aérospatiale über Alles

Tay.

P.S. Are you scratching, @Mr.Meap , like a naughty kitty?
And Gufi of all people, quite the gentle soul?
I admit that cyber warfare on control circuits might seem far-fetched but Hey ...
hacking cars happened two weeks ago :
The definitive account of how hackers can gain access to our cars | The Washington Post
The only difference with an ultra-modern chopper is the military datalink to crack,
past that, it's the same hack in both cases or almost.

 

[Moon]

Madam ji one does not become an analyst because of ingenuity rather we have to guess the number of jelly beans in a jar...

please be polite, try and be more mature about it, some people are misguided because of what they hear, you bashing them will get them defensive and curb any learning that may have ensued.

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Flying helps is always dangerous, flying them in real mountains like those of Pakistan and India much more so.
RIP and respect to pilots and team.

But the above has me thinking that on this, Pakistan should pursue more manufacture ( and hence control )
in choppers. When money allows, there will be a need for an imposing civilian fleet too, the land is fit for it.

India itself, despite the LUH-Druv is about to replace its Chetak & Cheetahs. Normally, both of these countries
have a natural predisposition to make or at least modify helicopters for high altitude.

As things stand, I have to wonder why there even was a tender issued. Did the Alouettes not do the job? And
who else can taunt with Everest landing in their marketing :

Aérospatiale über Alles

Tay.

P.S. Are you scratching, @Mr.Meap , like a naughty kitty?
And Gufi of all people, quite the gentle soul?
I admit that cyber warfare on control circuits might seems far-fetched but Hey :
hacking cars happened two weeks ago :
The definitive account of how hackers can gain access to our cars | The Washington Post
The only difference with an ultra-modern chopper is the military datalink to crack,
Past that, it's the same hack in both cases or almost.

Naughty, me?.
Two things that should never be together, I'm as we call "masoom". I swear.

 

[Taygibay]

@Mr.Meap Don't swear young lady, it ain't polite!
Especially sarcastically!

Tay.

 

[Moon]

@Mr.Meap Don't swear young lady, it ain't polite!
Especially sarcastically!

Tay.

I promise, is that alright? :3

 

[Gufi]

Are you scratching, @Mr.Meap , like a naughty kitty?
And Gufi of all people, quite the gentle soul?

poor gufi first she called me a grandpa and now this

PDF for you in a nutshell

or the analysts are actually smart and the readers are just not at the level to understand them some people have lived in the US and has no idea about American politics

 

[Taygibay]

I promise, is that alright? :3

Sure! *Thinking, yeah, real girl, there!*

Still Tay.

poor gufi first she called me a grandpa and now this

LOLOLOL Since when is calling someone a gentle soul degrading?

See you tomorrow, Tay.