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Migrant crisis: Disputed EU relocation plan voted in

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As predicted, Brussels has the final word on this.

EU is based on common policy. It wouldn't be fair to dump all the refugees in one country.

It is better to spread them over the EU. This way the population can absorb them and over time they can integrate into the society.
I see your logic still fails your brain when it comes to understand terms as being legally or illegally somewhere.
What is legal and what is illegal is decided by the people. Majority of Europe says yes to the refugees so these people will get refugee status which means over couple of years they will become citizens.
 
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Nope,no irony,you see,Poles and other EE-eans actually work and contribute,non Euros...not so much...

Election 2015 Briefing - Migration and Welfare Benefits | The Migration Observatory


Or the Netherlands,if you want....


Percentage of people on social welfare in the Netherlands, grouped by country of origin (in Dutch but completely intelligible) - Imgur

So what does the chart tell us ?......69% percent of Soma;lis in the Netherlands are on welfare,17% of Turks in there are on welfare....58% of Iraqis are on welfare...well,so to cut it short...most muslims are on welfare!!! How many Poles are on welfare in the Netherlands????...2.1% of Poles are on welfare !! And that is the difference between east europeans and muslims.... Sry,stats don't lie.

Of course, it does make a difference that Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians are citizens of EU countries and do not require a workpermit or a visa or asylum to come work here unlike the folks from those other countries in the chart you refer to.
Werken in Nederland

Press release, 11 August 2014 15:00
Immigration rising
  • More immigrants, emigration stable
  • Immigration of Poles and Romanians increasing
  • Poles mostly in Westland region; Bulgarians and Romanians in cities
  • Over 100 thousand Polish migrants in the Netherlands
Immigration higher in first six months
According to figures released by Statistics Netherlands today, more people came from abroad to live in the Netherlands in the first of this year than in the same period last year. Over 76 thousand immigrants arrived in the Netherlands, 8.6 thousand more than in 2013. The number of people who left the country remained at the same level (64 thousand). Net immigration was thus 12 thousand persons.
Most Poles are labour migrants
Poles account for the largest foreign-born group of immigrants in the Netherlands. Since Poland joined the European Union in 2004, the number of Poles coming to live in the Netherlands has risen every year. In the first months of 2014, 12 thousand Poles registered in a Dutch municipality, 2 thousand more than in the same period last year.
Around 70 percent of Poles who come to live in the Netherlands come here to work. Most of them find jobs via temp agencies, in sectors such as construction and horticulture. Alongside this labour migration, around 20 percent of Polish immigration to the Netherlands consists of people who come to marry, or to join relatives here. The number of Polish students is relatively small: only a few hundred a year.
A large number of Poles leave the country again the course of time. In the first half of 2014, 5 thousand Poles left the Netherlands, in 2013 4.7 thousand. Figures previously published by Statistics Netherlands show that around half of Polish immigrants had left the country again within ten years of arriving.
Over 100 thousand Polish migrants in the Netherlands
In spite of the increasing number of Poles leaving the Netherlands, the number arriving is still larger than the number of departures. Net immigration from Poland was 6.5 thousand in the first half of 2014, compared with just under 5 thousand in the first half of 2013. More than 100 thousand Polish migrants were living in the Netherlands on 1 July 2014. This number puts them in the same league as the traditional migrant groups in the Netherlands.
Seasonal migrants
In addition to the Poles who are registered and live in the Netherlands, more than 80 thousand (December 2012) Poles were staying here for short-term work. They are not required to register as residents. Migrants from other EU countries are more likely to register as official residents.
Number of Romanians rising, Bulgarians stable
From 1 January this year, Romanians and Bulgarians, too, can come to work in the Netherlands without a work permit. This new regulation may result in more immigrants arriving from these countries. The number of Romanians who came to live in the Netherlands has doubled compared with the first half of 2013, to just over 2.3 thousand. The number of Bulgarians has not risen. In the first half of both 2013 and 2014, just over 2 thousand Bulgarians came to live in the Netherlands. There is as yet no clear view of the mechanisms behind these migration flows.
Most Poles in Westland, Bulgarians in large cities
In relative terms, most Poles live in the Westland area, where Dutch horticulture is concentrated: three times the average share of Poles in the Netherlands. The province Brabant and the tulip-growing areas are also popular among Poles. Bulgarians, and to a lesser extent also Romanians, are relatively more likely than average to live in the large cities. The share of Bulgarians in The Hague, for example, was nearly eight times the national average share of Bulgarians at the beginning of 2014.
More Syrian asylum seekers registered in the Netherlands
In addition to labour and family reunion migrants, a small but increasing group of people apply for asylum in the Netherlands. At the moment there are relatively many asylum requests from Syrians and Eritreans. In the first half of 2014, nearly 3 thousand Syrian asylum seekers registered in a Dutch municipality, compared with 600 in the same period of 2013. Hardly any of these asylum seekers leave the Netherlands. The more recent increase in asylum requests from Eritreans (strong increases in April and May) is not yet reflected in a rise in registrations in Dutch municipalities.
More migration in second half of the year
Immigration and emigration are usually higher in the second half of the year than in the first half. In August and September in particular, many immigrants arrive in the Netherlands, especially students and foreign workers. More people also leave the Netherlands in the second half than in the first half of the year.
CBS - Immigration rising - Press release

Also, about 2/3 of the Polish migrant population works.
http://www.polamb.nl/polen-in-nederland/

Almost 7 in 10 adult Somalians in NL are on welfare. Also about half the people with Syrian, Iraki or Eritrean nationality are on welfare. These are predominantly former asylum seekers (i.e. no labor migrants). The welfrare % among Poles is the same as that among Dutch. Of the 721000 adults that do not have the Dutch nationality and that live in the Netherlands 11% procent are on welfare.
Most of these Somalians, Irakis, Syrians, Afghans, Iranians and Eritreans are former asylumseekers, who have a large distance to the labor market, in view of the percentage that cannot speak Dutch sufficiently well and the relatively large share that have low or non-matching education. Also at play are the specific reasons why the fled to the Netherlands, namely the effects of a war or persecution on their own countries. Last year [2013] most asylumseekes were from Syria (8750), followed by Eritreans (3835) and Irakis (615).
http://www.cbs.nl/nl-NL/menu/themas/dossiers/allochtonen/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2015/zeven-van-de-tien-somaliers-in-de-bijstand.htm

CBS StatLine - Asielverzoeken; nationaliteit, geslacht en leeftijd

He's talking about the ones registered in 2015 in Europe not about those in Lebanon,lol.Registered is a strong word though ,as they basically walked in thanks to your incompetent goverments.The Russians don't call you Eurowussies without a reason.
So far you are not prividing any data. Let you or he provide a source for that 75%.
And in case you missed it, Romanian are Eurowussies too.
 
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I still don't see how they can force a sovereign country to take in migrants and ,more importantly,why will they stay in Romania when they see others accomodated in Germany ? Are we suppose to keep them in prison camps surrounded by armed guards ? This is far from a well thought plan....

For the first time I actually agree with you.

How can foreigners sitting thousands of kilometres away, force a sovereign country to do something against their own will.

Sovereignty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Sovereignty is understood in jurisprudence as the full right and power of a governing body to govern itself without any interference from outside sources or bodies."
 
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For the first time I actually agree with you.

How can foreigners sitting thousands of kilometres away, force a sovereign country to do something against their own will.

They can. When a individuel joins a group you trade certain rights so as to gain benefit from the whole. If next year Romania goes bust trust me taxpayers from all over EU are going bail it out. If Romania gets attacked next year by Russian hordes boys from as far as Bronx, New York, USA are going to get ready to defend Romania. The converse side of this is you compromise some of your rights.

You can't act like living in a isolated village but then expect benefits from half way across the world like Romania is presently getting by having US military bases established there.
 
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Of course, it does make a difference that Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians are citizens of EU countries and do not require a workpermit or a visa or asylum to come work here unlike the folks from those other countries in the chart you refer to.
Werken in Nederland


CBS - Immigration rising - Press release

Also, about 2/3 of the Polish migrant population works.
http://www.polamb.nl/polen-in-nederland/

Almost 7 in 10 adult Somalians in NL are on welfare. Also about half the people with Syrian, Iraki or Eritrean nationality are on welfare. These are predominantly former asylum seekers (i.e. no labor migrants). The welfrare % among Poles is the same as that among Dutch. Of the 721000 adults that do not have the Dutch nationality and that live in the Netherlands 11% procent are on welfare.
Most of these Somalians, Irakis, Syrians, Afghans, Iranians and Eritreans are former asylumseekers, who have a large distance to the labor market, in view of the percentage that cannot speak Dutch sufficiently well and the relatively large share that have low or non-matching education. Also at play are the specific reasons why the fled to the Netherlands, namely the effects of a war or persecution on their own countries. Last year [2013] most asylumseekes were from Syria (8750), followed by Eritreans (3835) and Irakis (615).
http://www.cbs.nl/nl-NL/menu/themas/dossiers/allochtonen/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2015/zeven-van-de-tien-somaliers-in-de-bijstand.htm

CBS StatLine - Asielverzoeken; nationaliteit, geslacht en leeftijd


So far you are not prividing any data. Let you or he provide a source for that 75%.
And in case you missed it, Romanian are Eurowussies too.


Actually no...3.1% of Dutch are on welfare vs 2.1% of Poles.....s0 Poles re more inclined at working than even the Dutch.

No problem though,the penalty for not taking refugees is 0.002% of GDP...so,we'll pay you 40 million euros and you can integrate them all in your hippie multicultural society.Good luck with that when they'll be blowing themselves up at an Ajax-PSV game.

For the first time I actually agree with you.

How can foreigners sitting thousands of kilometres away, force a sovereign country to do something against their own will.

Sovereignty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Sovereignty is understood in jurisprudence as the full right and power of a governing body to govern itself without any interference from outside sources or bodies."


Our Constitution has a paragraph prohibiting the settling of a foreign population on our territory.This can't stand,the Slovak prime minister allready stated that they'll ignore this decision.Are they going to invade ? lol...the EU ends with a bang.
 
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For the first time I actually agree with you.

How can foreigners sitting thousands of kilometres away, force a sovereign country to do something against their own will.

Sovereignty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Sovereignty is understood in jurisprudence as the full right and power of a governing body to govern itself without any interference from outside sources or bodies."
Because the treaty that the sovereign nation entered into .

EU member states retain sovereignty. There's no such thing as partial sovereignty. Clearly, sovereign states can voluntarily delegate some or even all of their powers to either smaller areas (devolution and local government) or larger areas (international treaties and unions). As long as those powers can be reclaimed by the state, then that doesn't affect their sovereignty at all. Since EU member states can leave the EU, they are sovereign states. By becoming a member state of the European Union a country's governing body and it's judiciary looses some of its ability to legislate within certain domestic and international policy areas. This voluntary loss of legislative power could arguably be considered not permanent; EU members states have the right to withdraw from the union and regain their full sovereignty at any point.
 
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They can. When a individuel joins a group you trade certain rights so as to gain benefit from the whole. If next year Romania goes bust trust me taxpayers from all over EU are going bail it out. If Romania gets attacked next year by Russian hordes boys from as far as Bronx, New York, USA are going to get ready to defend Romania. The converse side of this is you compromise some of your rights.

You can't act like living in a isolated village but then expect benefits from half way across the world like Romania is presently getting by having US military bases established there.


The US has nothing to do with EU bureaucrats.
 
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For the first time I actually agree with you.

How can foreigners sitting thousands of kilometres away, force a sovereign country to do something against their own will.

Sovereignty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Sovereignty is understood in jurisprudence as the full right and power of a governing body to govern itself without any interference from outside sources or bodies."
Fine, get out of the EU.
 
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Because in the treaty that the sovereign nation entered into .

EU member states retain sovereignty. There's no such thing as partial sovereignty. Clearly, sovereign states can voluntarily delegate some or even all of their powers to either smaller areas (devolution and local government) or larger areas (international treaties and unions). As long as those powers can be reclaimed by the state, then that doesn't affect their sovereignty at all. Since EU member states can leave the EU, they are sovereign states. By becoming a member state of the European Union a country's governing body and it's judiciary looses some of its ability to legislate within certain domestic and international policy areas. This voluntary loss of legislative power could arguably be considered not permanent; EU members states have the right to withdraw from the union and regain their full sovereignty at any point.


Wrong.There's nothing about accepting refugees in EU charters.

Fine, get out of the EU.


Yep,the EU will fall apart and not because of Romania,the others are unhappy to.The right wing is having a feast with the current situation all over Europe.
 
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Yep,the EU will fall apart and not because of Romania,the others are unhappy to.The right wing is having a feast with the current situation all over Europe.
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Hardly, only couple of % of increase. Majority is pro-refugee and pro-humanity.
 
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Slovak PM Fico: migrant quotas will not happen on my watch - Yahoo News


BRATISLAVA (Reuters) - Slovakia will refuse to implement a European Union plan to redistribute asylum seekers to all EU countries under a quota system approved by the bloc's interior ministers on Tuesday, Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico said.

"As long as I am prime minister, mandatory quotas will not be implemented on Slovak territory," Fico told the parliament's EU affairs committee.
 
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@flamer84 @Chinese-Dragon

I don't know how old you guy's are but in the next 50 years Europe will consolidate the entire European littoral states including most of Middle East in some overarching structure. Expect something along the lines of Pax Romana like the Roman Empire below.

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This will include all off North Africa. The reason is strategic. Washington, London or Paris are not going to let China move into this vital region. Having Chinese Navy bases in Tangiers, Algeirs, Benghazi, Alexandria or Tartus are stuff of nightmare for NATO planners. So despite Flamer et al moaning and b*tching the strategic compulsions will prevail. In those circumstances these migrant populations will be the leverage used to influence those countries top toe the NATO line.
 
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Hardly, only couple of % of increase. Majority is pro-refugee and pro-humanity.


No.It's just baloney on your part.Far from that.It's not even up for discussion,everyone living in Europe knows the real mood.
 
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Slovak PM Fico: migrant quotas will not happen on my watch - Yahoo News


BRATISLAVA (Reuters) - Slovakia will refuse to implement a European Union plan to redistribute asylum seekers to all EU countries under a quota system approved by the bloc's interior ministers on Tuesday, Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico said.

"As long as I am prime minister, mandatory quotas will not be implemented on Slovak territory," Fico told the parliament's EU affairs committee.

Slovakia will give in big talk notwithstanding. Slovakia is too small and will relent. Mark my words.
 
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