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September 9, 2010: The tiny state of Moldova (east of Romania) used to be part of the Soviet Union, and inherited 31 MiG-29 fighters when it became independent in 1991. In 1997, 21 of the most modern MiG-29s were sold to the United States (for training, technical analysis and because these were advanced models wired to deliver nuclear weapons) for about $2 million each. Four others were sold to Yemen, for an equally low price. Now, Moldova wants to get rid of the six MiG-29s it still has. These aircraft are not in good (or flyable) shape and are being offered for the bargain price of $1 million each. A new MiG-29 can cost $40 million or more. But these 1980s era fixer uppers might be attractive to someone looking for jet fighter bargains.

Then again, maybe not. In late 2008, Russia offered to sell Lebanon ten MiG-29 fighters, at a "large discount" (less than $5 million each). Lebanon declined. Part of the reason was the expense of keeping these aircraft operational. It costs about $5 million a year, per aircraft, to keep them in flying condition. Russia offers better prices on maintenance contracts for new Su-30s, mainly because the Sukhoi aircraft are more reliable and easier to maintain.

The MiG-29 entered Russian service in 1983, as the answer to the American F-16. Some 1,600 MiG-29s have been produced so far, with about 900 of them exported. The 22 ton aircraft is roughly comparable to the F-16, but it depends a lot on which version of either aircraft you are talking about.

Meanwhile, Russia is making a lot of money upgrading MiG-29s. Not just adding new electronics, but also making the airframe more robust. The MiG-29 was originally rated at 2,500 total flight hours. At that time (early 80s), Russia expected MiG-29s to fly about a hundred or so hours a year. India, for example, flew them at nearly twice that rate, as did Malaysia. So now Russia is offering to spiff up the airframe so that the aircraft can fly up to 4,000 hours, with more life extension upgrades promised. This won't be easy, as the MiG-29 has a history of unreliability and premature breakdowns (both mechanical and electronic). The MiG-29 has become a very unpopular aircraft.

Several times in the past few years, Russia grounded all of its MiG-29s in order to check for structural flaws. Compared to Western aircraft, like the F-16, the MiG-29 is available for action about two thirds as much. While extending the life of the MiG-29 into the 2030s is theoretically possible, actually doing so will be real breakthrough in Russian aircraft capabilities. The Indians are going to take up the Russians on their upgrade offer. But the Malaysians went with the more highly regarded Su-30, and sold off their MiG-29s. Algeria, like Lebanon and several other nations, have turned down the MiG-29, which has acquired the reputation of being second rate and a loser.
 
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Very shortsighted of the MiG design bureau to take shortcuts in this aircraft, which is, at its core, a capable airplane. The aerodynamics are excellent, and when it appeared, it was a quantum leap ahead of the current crop of MiG's and Su's.
 
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Mig-29 is indispensable for Indian air Force,atleast as for now.
 
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Mig-29 is indispensable for Indian air Force,atleast as for now.

Then perhaps someone should stiffen up the "chassis" and stick some western longer lasting engines in it to stop them problems.


simple init?
:coffee:
 
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So far Malaysians have not sold them but are getting rid of them in 12-24 months time frame.
 
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Then perhaps someone should stiffen up the "chassis" and stick some western longer lasting engines in it to stop them problems.


simple init?
:coffee:

The Mig-29 upgrade program that is in progress will more or less will be the final one before the MMRCA comes in and then the Fulcrums will be just support machines to the air superiority MKI's and multi-role MMRCA.

IAF has been flying the 29's since the 80's and its a question of just few more years.
 
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But the source quotes that Malaysians have not taken the decision to operate Flucz with smiling face......lack of funding is the reason not the performance of AC

Bought in 1995, the jets have exceeded their life-span limit of 10 year.

So phasing out is understandable if not interested in upgrading. :oops:
 
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Benny regardless of the time frame till 2015 Mig-29s will be replaced.
I read somewhere They're looking to replace it with 12-24 months perhaps it was 2009 but the way Malaysian is handing things I do see they change the plan to decommission it before 2015. Potential seller are EF-2000/F-18E/F Super Hornets.

What I'm saying is Malaysians have not sold Mig-29s as someone said in thread.
 
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Benny regardless of the time frame till 2015 Mig-29s will be replaced.
I read somewhere They're looking to replace it with 12-24 months perhaps it was 2009 but they way Malaysian is handing things I do see they change the plan to decommission it before 2015. Potential seller are EF-2000/F-18E/F Super Hornets.

What I'm saying is Malaysians have not sold Mig-29s as someone said in thread.

They could even go for further su-30s..

Even a training was concluded recently for them

Indian Air Force concludes Sukhoi Su30 training programme for Malaysian pilots
 
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Very shortsighted of the MiG design bureau to take shortcuts in this aircraft, which is, at its core, a capable airplane. The aerodynamics are excellent, and when it appeared, it was a quantum leap ahead of the current crop of MiG's and Su's.

Mig 29 is still a capable aircraft.

MIG design bureau it self is professional.

What took toll on them was the collapse of Soviet union. Once they were history, so was all the funding.


MIG 29 was made to counter F-16. They were Neck n Neck for Earlier versions. Too bad, that F-16s 4,400 Aircraft production run simply meant they were in service for way longer and hence needed upgrades.

Compare F-16 CD/EF or IN with MIG 29 SMT.......doesn't make any sense now does it?


MIG 29 is lost...
 
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Mig 29 is a capable but very crudely built aircraft. Only chance is to go back to drawing board and redesign the whole thing with better materials and stuctrual dynamics. otherwise the countries should opt for jf17.
 
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when it comes to quality assurance, battle testedness and reliability, NOTHING comes close to American aircrafts --especially the F-16.

if only the arms procurement process from the U.S. wasn't such a political process (Congress, et al) --even for ''major non-NATO allies'' !!!!! :)


with Russians, money alone talks. But it seems they havent gotten over the Soviet mentality of designing INCREDIBLE, AWESOME machines that simply break or fall apart after being pushed to their limits

interestingly enough, many Air Forces are still using the Mig-21s and 29s; the issue is that some countries (which need not even be mentioned here ;)) tend to get inferior spare parts (many of them from former soviet countries like Ukraine) and this is what causes them to have atrocious misshap rates
 
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SU-30 would be a good choice for Malaysian Air Force as they are already operating them. They should order next lot with more potent avionics with AESA radar and upgrade the current with AESA radars. It is too risky to go for EF-2000 when you are already operating 4+ Generation Fighters and can easily upgrade them to 4.5 essentially SU-35s standards by 2015.

Su30MKK_M5205.jpg
 
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