MIG-27 to be phased out in the next couple of years: Raha

[Jat Boy]

IM 100% CERTAIN 36 rafale & 120 TEJAS MK1A will replace the MIG27 & MIG21 fleet

To leave IAF looking like this

272 SU30 mki/super mki
36 rafale F3 /
50 mirage2000/5
60 mig29smt
120 Tejas
70 jaguar darin

600 planes in 34 sqds by 2025

beyond this

more rafale maybe
more tejas probably

FGFA definitely to replace jaguar first and then mig29

 

[majid mehmood]

IM 100% CERTAIN 36 rafale & 120 TEJAS MK1A will replace the MIG27 & MIG21 fleet

To leave IAF looking like this

272 SU30 mki/super mki
36 rafale F3 /
50 mirage2000/5
60 mig29smt
120 Tejas
70 jaguar darin

600 planes in 34 sqds by 2025

beyond this

more rafale maybe
more tejas probably

FGFA definitely to replace jaguar first and then mig29

i dont think so that jaguar will remain in service
AND is not 272 mki its 266 after 6 crashes
pls give a source that says su 30 losses would be compensated

 

[Abingdonboy]

Yes, and I think that explains why even two squadrons of upgraded ones have been withdrawn from service. (If my memory about 80 out of 120 being in service is right.)

There is the engine issue, and as a senior AF officer has written about, there are fundamental flaws in the design itself that makes it a risky machine to keep, especially when old in the tooth.

Indeed, the MiG-27s are effectlvely grounded and flying just enough hours to keep their pilots proficient in the type.

IM 100% CERTAIN 36 rafale & 120 TEJAS MK1A will replace the MIG27 & MIG21 fleet

To leave IAF looking like this

272 SU30 mki/super mki
36 rafale F3 /
50 mirage2000/5
60 mig29smt
120 Tejas
70 jaguar darin

600 planes in 34 sqds by 2025

beyond this

more rafale maybe
more tejas probably

FGFA definitely to replace jaguar first and then mig29

The Jaguars (DARIN III) will be in service until 2030-35 at least especially as they are likely to be re-engined with the F125IN. THe AMCA will be replacing the Jaguars and Mirage-2000s in the long term. The FGFA is the long term reaplacement for the MKI and MiG-29UPG. The Rafales and LCAs will be replacing the MiG-21s and MiG-27s.

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

i dont think so that jaguar will remain in service
AND is not 272 mki its 266 after 6 crashes
pls give a source that says su 30 losses would be compensated

Jaguar going to upgrade with EL/M-2052 under DARIN 3 program, and they not going to remain in service? What are you drinking these days?

 

[Abingdonboy]

i dont think so that jaguar will remain in service
AND is not 272 mki its 266 after 6 crashes
pls give a source that says su 30 losses would be compensated

5 losses of the MKI, 2 of which will be compensated- the latest order for MKI was meant to be 40 but increased to 42 in light of two losses at the time.

+ As I have said the Jaguars will be re-engined with the Honeywell F-125IN and with the advanced DARIN III suite will be easily able to serve until 2030-35.

The DARIN III upgrade by HAL is effectively producing a brand new plane:

 

[Archie]

So how many were not upgraded?

Around 42-48 Mig27 were upgraded
That's 2 sqds plus some trainers

 

[kaykay]

i dont think so that jaguar will remain in service
AND is not 272 mki its 266 after 6 crashes
pls give a source that says su 30 losses would be compensated

100+ Jaguars will be in service atleast up to 2025 if not beyond that. And yes Its 266 MKIs currently forming 14-15 sqds.

 

[ayesha.a]

i dont think so that jaguar will remain in service
AND is not 272 mki its 266 after 6 crashes
pls give a source that says su 30 losses would be compensated

Many of the Jags are new - the last jaguar rolled off HAL's assembly line in 2008. The latest upgrades have been very comprehensive - they wouldn't do that unless they intended to use them for 20 years. They use the Elta-2032, the same radar slated for the future LCA mk1, the same radar on most Israeli F-16s. The airframe, avionics are all very new.

Jaguar going to upgrade with EL/M-2052 under DARIN 3 program, and they not going to remain in service? What are you drinking these days?

2032, not 2052. The latter is an AESA. It would be overkill on a 3rd gen ground attack / strike fighter.

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

2032, not 2052. The latter is an AESA. It would be overkill on a 3rd gen ground attack / strike fighter.

Here for you, read this very carefully. I use word very carefully. If you want more confirmation, then read the Trishul blog too.
Broadsword: Cutting edge Israeli radar wins air force approval for Tejas fighter

BTW, when F-16 was inducted by USAF it was 3rd Gen Fighter.

 

[ravinderpalrulez]

Many of the Jags are new - the last jaguar rolled off HAL's assembly line in 2008. The latest upgrades have been very comprehensive - they wouldn't do that unless they intended to use them for 20 years. They use the Elta-2032, the same radar slated for the future LCA mk1, the same radar on most Israeli F-16s. The airframe, avionics are all very new.



2032, not 2052. The latter is an AESA. It would be overkill on a 3rd gen ground attack / strike fighter.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YhH5GmbAs...aguar+IS+DARIN-3+avionics+upgrade+package.jpg
Jaguar with new elta radar

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

They use the Elta-2032, the same radar slated for the future LCA mk1, the same radar on most Israeli F-16s. The airframe, avionics are all very new.

Are you out of touch these days? In current version of LCA which is called as Mk1 using EL/M-2032, in future variant Mk.1A, EL/M-2052 is obvious choice and already chosen, the MMR for Mk.2 is still not decided.

 

[Grevion]

It's good they are retiring, I live near an airbase and they make hell of a noise while taking off.

 

[ayesha.a]

Here for you, read this very carefully. I use word very carefully. If you want more confirmation, then read the Trishul blog too.
Broadsword: Cutting edge Israeli radar wins air force approval for Tejas fighter

BTW, when F-16 was inducted by USAF it was 3rd Gen Fighter.

Did you read that link yourself? It is about offers of 2052 for Tejas and jag.

There are plenty of other links available that state the radar as El-2032. The first upgraded jaguars are already flying - you think they have an AESA radar, when not even the most cutting edge fighters in the IAF have that? The radar in the darin-3 upgrade is El-2032.

Tejas Mk1 will get the mechanically steered 2032, and mk1A will (hopefully) get the 2052.

See if you can find any link about Jags having been fitted with the AESA 2052. Neither the MKI nor even the ridiculously expensive mirage upgrade have an AESA.

 

[Gen Padmanabhan]

Did you read that link yourself? It is about offers of 2052 for Tejas and jag.

There are plenty of other links available that state the radar as El-2032. The first upgraded jaguars are already flying - you think they have an AESA radar, when not even the most cutting edge fighters in the IAF have that? The radar in the darin-3 upgrade is El-2032.

Tejas Mk1 will get the mechanically steered 2032, and mk1A will (hopefully) get the 2052.

See if you can find any link about Jags having been fitted with the AESA 2052. Neither the MKI nor even the ridiculously expensive mirage upgrade have an AESA.

Thats why I said read Trishul blog. If you dont, no one can help you.

 

[ayesha.a]

Are you out of touch these days? In current version of LCA which is called as Mk1 using EL/M-2032, in future variant Mk.1A, EL/M-2052 is obvious choice and already chosen, the MMR for Mk.2 is still not decided.

Isn't that precisely what I said? That Mk1A will have the 2052, but Mk1 will have (the already purchased) 2032?

Thats why I said read Trishul blog. If you dont, no one can help you.

What are you saying? That the strike aircraft jaguars have an AESA?

I don't care which blogger wrote what - I know for a fact that the upgraded jags have Elta-2032 radars on them.