Mian Atif, PTI and Oriya Maqbol Jaan..

[Kabira]

That's not equivalent to belief in a fake prophet like this ghulam fellow who created a small noisy cult that is in bed with Israel.

Ghulam was British stooge.

 

[gutto786]

The second coming of Jesus has not been mentioned explicitly in the Holy Qur'an ... It is a Christian concept which like many other jeudo-christian concepts has crept into Islam via Hadith Books

If Quran doesnt explicitly talk about Jesus coming back there is a reason for that. So if he is not coming back and Quran confirms that then this actually does endorse the Ahmadiyya point of view that Jesus(PBUH) has died and his spirit is raised to heaven just like every other prophet or human. I think (my understanding) Quran doesnt have it to put an authentication on this and to remove any doubts. Beacuse God knew in later times muslims are going to develop such an absurd idea and God wanted to make it clear for everyone but alas today muslims have still made it an issue.

Now coming back to the second topic. If every nation/religion is waiting for a reformer of end time then there must be some substance into this. May be we wont be able to find explicit reference from Quran but we have hadith, references from previous holy books which can aide and help us to understand why everyone believe in that. On top of that, looking at current situation of world and every religion its quite clear people needed to be reminded about God else this world is going fast into hell. I will try to post references for the second topic later

Any muslim who reject hadith isn't muslim to begin with.

This statement can be revised and it should be said in this way
Muslims should believe in authentic hadiths. And what is an authentic hadith. Few criterias:
- Authentic chain of narrators
- Hadith does not go against Quran. In other words hadith can be proved through Quran.
- Hadith that fulfills itself. Any hadith that tells a prophecy. The fulfillment of the prophecy authenticates the hadith itself

 

[M. Sarmad]

If Quran doesnt explicitly talk about Jesus coming back there is a reason for that. So if he is not coming back and Quran confirms that then this actually does endorse the Ahmadiyya point of view that Jesus(PBUH) has died and his spirit is raised to heaven just like every other prophet or human. I think (my understanding) Quran doesnt have it to put an authentication on this and to remove any doubts. Beacuse God knew in later times muslims are going to develop such an absurd idea and God wanted to make it clear for everyone but alas today muslims have still made it an issue.

Jesus not coming back is not Ahmadiyya point of view exclusively. Many scholars before and after Mirza Ghulam Ahmed have held the view that Jesus ain't coming back.

Sir Syed Ahmed Khan is his tafseer states:
".... The prophecies of the coming of Mehdi and Messiah have been introduced into our history by non-Muslims. The Qur'an is absolutely free of these ridiculous statements..."


Allama Muhammad Asad who is generally believed to be a religious advisor to Jinnah states:
".. the very common belief that Jesus was taken up to the heaven in body is absolutely non- Quranic and therefore it has no merit. "

Other Indian scholars from our times who have forcefully rejected the notion of Messiah or Mehdi include Abulkalam Azad, Ubaidullah Sindhi etc.


The celebrated scholar of Islam, Mohammad Sheikh Abduh of Egypt maintains that the stories of a living Jesus in the heavens and his second coming were inserted into our Ahadith centuries ago by Christian scholars so that Christianity may seem to be superior to Islam.

Funnily, another "loan" from Zoroastrianism for the Abrahamic world. Saoshyant.

Cheers, Doc

As pointed out by Dr. Shabbir, The dogma of a promised one is found almost in every religion of the world.

When the Messiah of the Jews comes he will bestow upon them the everlasting kingdom.

When the Messiah of the Christians shows up again, mankind will unite under Christendom.

Likewise when the Meeta, Buddha II arrives he will erase all religions and turn every human being into a Mahatma.

The Mithra of Zoroastrians will herald the return of the lost Maggian glory for his followers.

The "Kalki Avtaar" will revive Hinduism to total victory.

The Tri-Thanker of Jainism will unify all human beings on earth into his religion. Then all people will become Bugs Bunnies eating plants only.

It is amazing to note that even some ancient tribes of Africa and the Americas charm themselves with this "redeemer" concept.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

You have missed the whole point or willingly ignored it may be. Any new prophet can come with divine signs, not by changing Quran or hadith.
Do you know that promised Messiah came with a sign that no man can interefere with or has control over. This sign alone is enough for people with fear of God to accept him.
The grand prophecy of eclipse
https://www.alislam.org/topics/eclipses/response-to-mcnaughton.html

Allegations and answers
https://www.alislam.org/library/articles/new/TruthAboutEclipses.html

There are so many religion out there and they all claim that their Prophets/Gurrus/Imams came up with divine signs and obviously they all cannot be true when they differ to each others in core beliefs. I consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as fake divine personality with zero output or deliverance. Its my right to accept or reject his divine claims. I am sure you will also reject our Imam mahdi and Jesus because you already made up your mind about Mirza Ghulam being genuine Imam mahdi as well as 2nd coming of Jesus so you see thats where you differ with others mainstream Muslims. I think you guys also believe that Jesus was buried somewhere in Kashmir which again contradict with beliefs of other Muslims

I don't mind if Qadyani call me kafir because I am openly rejecting divine claims of your prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmed . You should also not mind when others Muslims call you non Muslim because you add another divine personality Mirza Ghulam Ahmed to their religion Islam and create confusion not only for Muslims but also for those non Muslims who are interested to learn about core beliefs of Islam. You guys should not label apple as orange because they boht taste different. Chrsitian are not calling themselves jews when they are having different set of beliefs . Sikhs are not calling themselves Hindus when they believe in divine claim of Guru Nanak

Rest I firmly believe that Qadyani should be free to practice their beliefs even if others consider these beliefs as false or fabricated . They should face no discrimination or injustice from others that's why I was not supporting this move of government when they asked Atif mian to step down from EAC because religious beliefs of Atif mian dont discredit his knowledge and qualification in economics

So Jesus when he comes back will not be a prophet??

Simple answer is no because he will appear as one of the followers of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). Read this for more to understand the Muslim perspective about Jesus which differ to qadyani version to great extent

http://discoveringislam.org/return_of_jesus.htm

Due to the fact that the Jews had become deaf and blind to the words of God and deviated from the teachings of Moses and the right path, Allah honoured Jesus عليه السلام with Prophethood and sent him as a messenger to the Israelites. Bearing all hardships Prophet Jesus عليه السلام spent all day and night conveying the message of Allah. Unfortunately, in spite of his tremendous effort, most of the Israelites did not accept his message. Seeing that the poor and weak were becoming inclined towards him and fearing they would lose their leadership, the Jews secretly conspired to kill him. However, Allah saved Prophet Jesus عليه السلام from their wicked scheme and gave him greater dignity by raising him alive to the heavens.

Allah (God) says in the Quran, "They did not kill him (Jesus) and nor did they crucify him (Jesus), but it seemed to them (as if it was Jesus being crucified) and those who differ there in, are in doubt. They have no certain knowledge. They are following nothing but conjecture for surely they did not kill him but Allah raised him up to him." (Surah Nisa)


Allah (God) says in the Quran "When Allah says, Jesus; I will take thee to me and I will purify thee of the unbelievers" (Surah Al-Imran)


These verses clearly prove that the Jews did not kill Prophet Jesus عليه السلام and that he was raised alive to Heaven. It is due to verses like those mentioned above and many authentic Hadiths, we Muslims believe that Prophet Jesus عليه السلام is alive in Heaven at this moment in time. We further believe due to the following verses and authentic​

The Return (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ عليه السلام

The Bible describes in a vivid language the corruption, destruction, and death typifying the End of Times. We see the godly forces confronting the evil forces of Satan, the Anti-Christ, and Gog and Magog. We learn that the cataclysmic events will take place in the Middle East. But still the picture needs to be completed.

Among these, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم have foretold the return of Jesus عليه السلام . Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم has prophesied about several events that will occur just before the advent of the day of judgment. The return of Jesus will occur AFTER the Anti-Christ (known in Islam as the Dajjal, meaning the Deceiver who claims to be God) appears and attempts to deceive people into worshipping him. Then, Jesus (the Messiah) عليه السلام will descend from Heaven, pursue and kill the Anti-Christ, and destroy the savage and unbelieving armies of Gog and Magog, and bring peace and brotherhood to the World.

Christians will recognize the truth and accept Jesus عليه السلام as a Muslim Prophet and Messenger of God. The religion of God (Islam) will justly rule the World. There will be no more oppression or wars, and peace will prevail. Furthermore, there will be no need to collect Jizyah (tax levied on Christians & Jews in Islamic states) because Christianity and Judaism will end. Every human being will be financially well-off and no one will accept charity. Jesus عليه السلام will perform Hajj (pilgrimage), marry, begets children, and die after living on Earth. His death will signal the beginning of the last days for humanity before the Day of Judgment.

The Wisdom in the Descent of Prophet Jesus عليه السلام

Sunni Muslim scholars have given many different reasons for the return of Prophet Jesus عليه السلام to this World. A few are listed below:


1) The Jews believe that they killed Prophet Jesus عليه السلام , Allah will send him before the end of time to prove that they did not killed him and that he is alive. It is Jesus who will fight the Jews and kill their leader, the Dajjal. (Ibn Hajar Al'Asqalani's Fathul-Bari)


2) Some scholars have said that Prophet Jesus عليه السلام found many virtues of the followers of Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم in the Bible and thus he prayed to Allah to make him amongst the nation of Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم . Allah answered his prayer and he will return for the second time as one of the followers of Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم . (Ibn Khathir)

Evidence from Quran about the Second Coming of Jesus عليه السلام



159. وَإِن مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ إِلاَّ لَيُؤْمِنَنَّ بِهِ قَبْلَ مَوْتِهِ وَيَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ يَكُونُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًا

Allah (God) says in the Quran, "There shall not be anyone from People of the Book, but shall believe in him before his death and on the Day of Resurrection, he (Jesus) shall be a witness against them." (Quran 4: 159)



Furthermore, Allah (God) also says in the Quran, "And he (Jesus عليه السلام) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Resurrection); therefore have no doubt about it (the Hour). And follow me (Allah), this is a Straight Path." (Quran 43: 61)





3. Jesus عليه السلام as one of the Major Signs of the Day of Resurrection

Jesus' return to Earth is a major sign of Qiyamah (Day of Resurrection):

Allah (God) says in the Quran, "And he (Jesus عليه السلام) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Resurrection); therefore have no doubt about it (the Hour). And follow me (Allah), this is a Straight Path." (Quran 43: 61) Ibn Abbas has said that the meaning of this verse is that Prophet Jesus' عليه السلام descent is a sign of Qiyamah. (Musnad Ahmad)

Huzaifa bin Usaid reported that Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم suddenly came to us while we were talking. He asked, "What are you talking about?" We replied "We were talking about the Last Hour." Prophet (s) said, "It will never come until you see ten signs before it. He then mentioned the Smoke, the Dajjal (Anti-Christ), the Daabba, the Rising of the Sun from the place of its setting, the Descent of Jesus son of Mary (from Heaven), Yajuj and Ma'juj (Gog & MaGog)..." (Sahih Muslim)




3) It is the Law of Allah that anything created from the Earth has to be buried in the Earth and not in the Heavens. Thus, he will return to the Earth for the second time, kill the Dajjal, live for a period of time and then he will die a natural death and will be buried near the Prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه وسلم . (Muhammad Al-Barzanji's book Al-Isha'ah li Ashrat AsSaa'h).

 

[gutto786]

I don't mind if Qadyani call me kafir because I am openly rejecting divine claims of your prophet Mirza Ghulam Ahmed . You should also not mind when others Muslims call you non Muslim because you add another divine personality Mirza Ghulam Ahmed to their religion Islam and create confusion not only for Muslims but also for those non Muslims who are interested to learn about core beliefs of Islam.

Look at your justice. You are OK if I call you kafir and I should be OK if u call me non muslim. Ballay ballay! Apka insaaf bhee apki logic jaisa hey
No you or anybody have no right to call Ahmadis Non Muslim. Make infinite laws, but be assured they will all be against Quran and Sunnah.
As per definition of Kafir, u can call me kafir as per ur understanding and I can call u kafir as per my understanding. Nothing more than that. No matter how many laws and so called ijmah u guys make that doesnt make any difference. Ahmadis are muslim and they will remain muslim till qiyamah.
As a matter of fact, you guys are changing religion and making illogical fake stories about Jesus(pbuh), changing quran meaning as per your liking, hiding hadith that doesnt support your claims and disbelieving of a prophet of God. If it was allowed, it was our right to call you guys non muslim

You guys should not label apple as orange because they boht taste different. Chrsitian are not calling themselves jews when they are having different set of beliefs . Sikhs are not calling themselves Hindus when they believe in divine claim of Guru Nanak

Because they dont believe they originated from one root. Sikhism according to them is a way of life rather than a religion. They religiously follow that way of life thats another story.

Rest I firmly believe that Qadyani should be free to practice their beliefs even if others consider these beliefs as false or fabricated . They should face no discrimination or injustice from others that's why I was not supporting this move of government when they asked Atif mian to step down from EAC because religious beliefs of Atif mian dont discredit his knowledge and qualification in economics

Atif mian issue was never religious. Its anti Pakistan forces who successfully killed another appointment on merit. Its pure political. As a matter of fact, this whole saga of declaring ahmadis non muslim is political and has nothing to do with religion.

Simple answer is no because he will appear as one of the followers of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). Read this for more to understand the Muslim perspective about Jesus which differ to qadyani version to great extent

Now this where it gets exciting? Are you sure about this belief, why dont you first check it with some of your ullemah.
Prophethood is a gift of God. Why would God take this gift away from a prophet. Is there any mistake Jesus did??
Also, Quran calls Jesus
Isaa nabi ullah
When he will come back, he will tell u guys I am Jesus Imam. You guys will open Quran and say but Quran says ur Issa Nabi Ullah. Either Quran or Issa would be lying (na ayozo billah)

Second Quran says about Jesus
Rasoolan ila bani israel
(Prophet towards bani israel)
First day when Jesus will come, he will say I am between you as an imam. Muslims will tell him, please go to bani israel, Quran says you are prophet towards them as per Quran

Third, Islam is a global religion. When Jesus will come and he will act as imam in muslims and the he will go to Christians. Christians will say you are traitor (na ayozo billah). You were our prophet and God, how come you are calling us towards Islam. Either you were teaching us wrong stuff earlier or you are telling lie (na ayozo billah) now.

Fourth, when Jesus (pbuh) will come back he will say I am Jesus an imam in muslims. I have come down from skies. Follow me. Some of you will open Quran at that time and will tell him to prove he went to sky alive. Christian will tell him that he died and his holy spirit went to sky. How will he become Imam of all
Bari fight hogee bahee. If you believe in real meaning of quran then there is no issue.

 

[mingle]

Ghulam was British stooge.

How about Deo Band Mullah? How about Ahmed Raza Khan of Rai Barali the founder of Bralvi Sect fore father of Molvi Bhen di Siri? When these schools of thoughts came into existence? Who was ruler of India? So they r not stoog of British?

Jesus not coming back is not Ahmadiyya point of view exclusively. Many scholars before and after Mirza Ghulam Ahmed have held the view that Jesus ain't coming back.

Sir Syed Ahmed Khan is his tafseer states:
".... The prophecies of the coming of Mehdi and Messiah have been introduced into our history by non-Muslims. The Qur'an is absolutely free of these ridiculous statements..."


Allama Muhammad Asad who is generally believed to be a religious advisor to Jinnah states:
".. the very common belief that Jesus was taken up to the heaven in body is absolutely non- Quranic and therefore it has no merit. "

Other Indian scholars from our times who have forcefully rejected the notion of Messiah or Mehdi include Abulkalam Azad, Ubaidullah Sindhi etc.


The celebrated scholar of Islam, Mohammad Sheikh Abduh of Egypt maintains that the stories of a living Jesus in the heavens and his second coming were inserted into our Ahadith centuries ago by Christian scholars so that Christianity may seem to be superior to Islam.



As pointed out by Dr. Shabbir, The dogma of a promised one is found almost in every religion of the world.

When the Messiah of the Jews comes he will bestow upon them the everlasting kingdom.

When the Messiah of the Christians shows up again, mankind will unite under Christendom.

Likewise when the Meeta, Buddha II arrives he will erase all religions and turn every human being into a Mahatma.

The Mithra of Zoroastrians will herald the return of the lost Maggian glory for his followers.

The "Kalki Avtaar" will revive Hinduism to total victory.

The Tri-Thanker of Jainism will unify all human beings on earth into his religion. Then all people will become Bugs Bunnies eating plants only.

It is amazing to note that even some ancient tribes of Africa and the Americas charm themselves with this "redeemer" concept.

Sir syed ahmed was Motazli u know who Motazli s are? So leave him aside

 

[padamchen]

That's not equivalent to belief in a fake prophet like this ghulam fellow who created a small noisy cult that is in bed with Israel.

I'm not batting for the Ahmadis. I have no love lost for them. It's your issue to handle. How you want to.

My point was about Muhammad being the last prophet.

Obviously a sizeable chunk of Muslims around the world believe there is another one coming.

Not dissimilar to the Christian belief.

And not surprising either, since the two are closely linked belief systems, born out of essentially the same bloodlines.

An Abrahamic continuum.

Cheers, Doc

Jesus not coming back is not Ahmadiyya point of view exclusively. Many scholars before and after Mirza Ghulam Ahmed have held the view that Jesus ain't coming back.

Sir Syed Ahmed Khan is his tafseer states:
".... The prophecies of the coming of Mehdi and Messiah have been introduced into our history by non-Muslims. The Qur'an is absolutely free of these ridiculous statements..."


Allama Muhammad Asad who is generally believed to be a religious advisor to Jinnah states:
".. the very common belief that Jesus was taken up to the heaven in body is absolutely non- Quranic and therefore it has no merit. "

Other Indian scholars from our times who have forcefully rejected the notion of Messiah or Mehdi include Abulkalam Azad, Ubaidullah Sindhi etc.


The celebrated scholar of Islam, Mohammad Sheikh Abduh of Egypt maintains that the stories of a living Jesus in the heavens and his second coming were inserted into our Ahadith centuries ago by Christian scholars so that Christianity may seem to be superior to Islam.



As pointed out by Dr. Shabbir, The dogma of a promised one is found almost in every religion of the world.

When the Messiah of the Jews comes he will bestow upon them the everlasting kingdom.

When the Messiah of the Christians shows up again, mankind will unite under Christendom.

Likewise when the Meeta, Buddha II arrives he will erase all religions and turn every human being into a Mahatma.

The Mithra of Zoroastrians will herald the return of the lost Maggian glory for his followers.

The "Kalki Avtaar" will revive Hinduism to total victory.

The Tri-Thanker of Jainism will unify all human beings on earth into his religion. Then all people will become Bugs Bunnies eating plants only.

It is amazing to note that even some ancient tribes of Africa and the Americas charm themselves with this "redeemer" concept.

He is called the Saoshyant. Nice post buddy.

Cheers, Doc

 

[M. Sarmad]

Sir syed ahmed was Motazli u know who Motazli s are? So leave him aside

Yes, Mutazila were the rationalists who rejected blind following ...

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/two-...-into-reverse-gear.465871/page-6#post-9014800

 

[Verve]

Allama Muhammad Asad who is generally believed to be a religious advisor to Jinnah states:
".. the very common belief that Jesus was taken up to the heaven in body is absolutely non- Quranic and therefore it has no merit. "

Define death, as per Quran.

 

[newb3e]

fatwa issuing authority ban gaye hai ab pdf!

mubarak bhion achievement unlocked!

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Look at your justice. You are OK if I call you kafir and I should be OK if u call me non muslim. Ballay ballay! Apka insaaf bhee apki logic jaisa hey
No you or anybody have no right to call Ahmadis Non Muslim. Make infinite laws, but be assured they will all be against Quran and Sunnah.
As per definition of Kafir, u can call me kafir as per ur understanding and I can call u kafir as per my understanding. Nothing more than that. No matter how many laws and so called ijmah u guys make that doesnt make any difference. Ahmadis are muslim and they will remain muslim till qiyamah.
As a matter of fact, you guys are changing religion and making illogical fake stories about Jesus(pbuh), changing quran meaning as per your liking, hiding hadith that doesnt support your claims and disbelieving of a prophet of God. If it was allowed, it was our right to call you guys non muslim


Because they dont believe they originated from one root. Sikhism according to them is a way of life rather than a religion. They religiously follow that way of life thats another story.


Atif mian issue was never religious. Its anti Pakistan forces who successfully killed another appointment on merit. Its pure political. As a matter of fact, this whole saga of declaring ahmadis non muslim is political and has nothing to do with religion.


Now this where it gets exciting? Are you sure about this belief, why dont you first check it with some of your ullemah.
Prophethood is a gift of God. Why would God take this gift away from a prophet. Is there any mistake Jesus did??
Also, Quran calls Jesus
Isaa nabi ullah
When he will come back, he will tell u guys I am Jesus Imam. You guys will open Quran and say but Quran says ur Issa Nabi Ullah. Either Quran or Issa would be lying (na ayozo billah)

Second Quran says about Jesus
Rasoolan ila bani israel
(Prophet towards bani israel)
First day when Jesus will come, he will say I am between you as an imam. Muslims will tell him, please go to bani israel, Quran says you are prophet towards them as per Quran

Third, Islam is a global religion. When Jesus will come and he will act as imam in muslims and the he will go to Christians. Christians will say you are traitor (na ayozo billah). You were our prophet and God, how come you are calling us towards Islam. Either you were teaching us wrong stuff earlier or you are telling lie (na ayozo billah) now.

Fourth, when Jesus (pbuh) will come back he will say I am Jesus an imam in muslims. I have come down from skies. Follow me. Some of you will open Quran at that time and will tell him to prove he went to sky alive. Christian will tell him that he died and his holy spirit went to sky. How will he become Imam of all
Bari fight hogee bahee. If you believe in real meaning of quran then there is no issue.

I dont have any issue with this fact that we consider you kafir/Murtid and you consider us kafir lol I am rejecting this Qadiani prophet( he is not Islamic prophet for us) Actually its Qadyani and mirzai who moan and play victim card because Islamic scholars of all major Muslim countries were united in their stand in declaring Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and his followers as apostates and kafirs and to be outside the fold of Islam.

You can pretend to be Muslim and can continue to misguide poor and ignorant Muslims in various part of the world but truth is you Qadyani are also takfiri. If someone does not believe in so called divine claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed then how could he remain a believer. If someone disbelief in Prophet then he disbelief in Allah because he reject appointed Prophet of Allah. You are free to believe in different God who continue to send Wahi(revelation ) even after Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and can also twist the meaning of Khatm as suit to your agenda but then stop pretending to be the same as rest of orthodox Muslim . Orthodox Muslim define Islam from following sources

First source; Holy Quarn ( Major primary source)
Second source: Sahih hadiths(Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim)
Third source : The others Hadiths books( Abu daood, trimihdi etc)
Fourth source : Earliest Mufassirs( like ibne abbas, ibne kathir etc)

Your cult employs a " picking and choosing" theory , you find what helps your cause, twist it and immediately authenticate its contents . Mirza brought nothing of value and failed to “reform” Muslims or Islam. Rather, he created a new religion and condemned his followers to misguidance and his own cult is divided into two sects( lahori section and qadyan section) . You should make it clear that which group you belong because they boht have different views towards finality of Prophethood and towards passing fatwaz on those who reject divine claim of MGA

I don't have any problem in whatever you believe as long as you don't hijack the name of my religion. We boht have different set of beliefs and aqeedah then how could we be follower of same religion ? I firmly believe that there is no compulsion in religion. I have no problem if followers of Mirza Ghulam ahmed name their religion as qadyanism, mirzai, Mirzology etc and should given all freedom to practice their beliefs . Mirzology is a religion that considers the whole of Islam for over a thousand years as nothing more than a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy that majority Muslims hide the true meaning of the Quran which was redefined by Mirza Ghulam and his followers. It is a conspiracy theory that the true meaning of “khaatam” is hidden and only understood by Mirza and his followers. Islam has been wrong or at incomplete for all this time and that this new new tiny cult brought correct version of Islam

 

[gutto786]

It is a conspiracy that majority Muslims hide the true meaning of the Quran which It is a conspiracy theory that the true meaning of “khaatam” is hidden and only understood by Mirza and his followers. Islam has been wrong or at incomplete for all this time and that this new new tiny cult brought correct version of Islam

Islam has never been wrong. Its been wronged by you guys by inventing baseless and absurd ideas.
Promised Messiah Hazrat Mirza Ghulam didnt bring anything new or changed any thing a bit. He just brought forth and revived true islam which is free of so called muslims fabrications such as flying of jesus alive to heaven which Quran doesnt approved of at all.
Now millions of you can gather and make laws and frame them around the world that means nothing. True Islam today is Ahmadiyya Muslim and thats going to be majoritys religion in few decades inshAllah. Islam survival today is only through Ahmadiyyat
Second point,

أنا خاتم الأنبياء وأنت يا علي خاتم الأولياء
"I am Khatam ul Anbiya and you O Ali are Khatam ul Awliya."

رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَإِنِّي آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ وَإِنَّ مَسْجِدِي آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ

The Prophet (PBUH) said; "I am the last of the Prophets and my mosque is the last of the mosques."
- [Sahih Muslim. Hadith # 2471]

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[pzfz]

You are free to believe that he was a liar ... and I am inclined to agree with you. But that's besides the point. The point in that the State has no right to declare someone a Non Muslim when he says that he is a Muslim.... Even the founder of Ahmaddiya sect Mirza Ghulam Ahmed believed that Quran was unaltered word of Allah and stated that perversion in the text of the holy Quran was beyond the range of possibility. Ahmadis believe in exactly the same Quran as other Muslims. Just because they interpret one verse differently (and that verse has been interpreted by some medieval scholars in exactly the same way as Ahmadis do, meaning that this specific contentious interpretation hasn't been invented by Ahmadis) doesn't mean that they have nothing to do with Islam. At max you can call them a misguided/heretic sect of Muslims.

That's the gist of it, religiously. Even more absurd that people outraged over the identity of a person on a matter which has nothing to do with religion or the constitution.

 

[Verve]

Promised Messiah

Promised to Jews?

Jews buying your crap?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Islam has never been wrong. Its been wronged by you guys by inventing baseless and absurd ideas.
Promised Messiah Hazrat Mirza Ghulam didnt bring anything new or changed any thing a bit. He just brought forth and revived true islam which is free of so called muslims fabrications such as flying of jesus alive to heaven which Quran doesnt approved of at all.
Now millions of you can gather and make laws and frame them around the world that means nothing. True Islam today is Ahmadiyya Muslim and thats going to be majoritys religion in few decades inshAllah. Islam survival today is only through Ahmadiyyat
Second point,

أنا خاتم الأنبياء وأنت يا علي خاتم الأولياء
"I am Khatam ul Anbiya and you O Ali are Khatam ul Awliya."

رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَإِنِّي آخِرُ الْأَنْبِيَاءِ وَإِنَّ مَسْجِدِي آخِرُ الْمَسَاجِدِ

The Prophet (PBUH) said; "I am the last of the Prophets and my mosque is the last of the mosques."
- [Sahih Muslim. Hadith # 2471]

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Sorry but your promised messiah is fake and fabricated one who died without contrtibuting anything to world. We Muslims dont consider his divine claims as genuine so you should not attribute verses of Quran and Hadiths to fake imam mahdi and Jesus. These verses are not meant for him..Jistra 2 number pirs hote hain istra 2 numberi prophet be hote hain and mirza is one of them. Many people follow fake pirs just like some of you are following this fake prophet and you must be living in fools paradise if you think you can misguide entire muslim Ummah and bring them in fold of qadyanism..Good luck lol