MF Husain would no longer be an Indian-Sad Day for Secular India

[Trisonics]

Tech Lahore, I'm one hundred percent sure you just wanted to take a dig at Hinduism, all you had to do was search online. Anyway, let me explain...before you question secularism... if one takes the liberty of painting anything Hindu naked and calls it art, why can't the same hold for a Muslim? Does art also take into account faith??? if it does, why Make Hindus naked then?



A Hindu Brahmin and a Muslim King

What is his fetish with seeing Hindus naked?

Goddess, Sita is considered the purest and a representation of a Hindu married woman! What is this?



Worse of all, who will paint their country naked???
Mother India



A decapitated Gandhi and Naked Hitler!!!!!

"Out of the four leaders, M. Gandhi is decapitated and Hitler is naked. Husain hates Hitler and has said in an interview 8 years ago that he depicted Hitler naked so as to humiliate him as he deserves it ! How come Hitler's nudity caused humiliation when in Husain's own statement nudity in art depicts purity and is in fact an honour ! This shows Husain's hypocrisy and perversion. "

This swine deserves no place in India!!! If it was any other country he would have been hung, whipped, hands cutoff or killed!!!!

 

[Hulk]

@TechLahor
You are completely missing the point, we are not saying that someone might have not drawn stupid paintings, they might have but did they exhibit it somewhere. If these paintings get attention might get same reaction. It's not about Hindu Muslim in past there have been cases of Hindus getting same treatment. So it's about getting noticed.
Now MF might be great painter but he is surely in no pain leaving this country. This seems to be come as blessing in disguise to him, he stayed out and started liking the country and money. He has no real threat in India. I am not sad at all for him, if he would have tried to come back he would have got support. I do not think he wanted to come back, he got home ministers assurance what else he want?

 

[DeathGod]

My take on this is a simple one but one which is inspired from Bhagwad Gita

In Gita Lord Krishna tells Arjuna the following:

O Arjuna , You can control your arrow but you cant control the deer that you want to hunt. Your control is over your bow , your control is over your eyes , your control is over the way in which you will release the arrow but you dont have control over your prey. Even if you do all the things that are in your control in the right manner , if the prey moves a little bit to a different position , you will miss. A learned person never forgets the boundaries which are chalked out by his actions. He respects those boundaries and works under them. For humans the boundary of their control ends at ACTION or KARMA. Whether they get success of they fail is something beyond them. So just act with all your knowledge and morality and place and leave the rest to me.

In case of MF Hussain , GOI etc have done what they could have but still the decision has to be made by an independent MF hussain . Atleast I am not sad about Hussain not being in India nor is this a set back to secularity of my nation. We tried to accomadate MF as much as we could and the final decision was on him. He decided not to and thats fine with us.

@nude painting / Danish thing

I dont know why people make fuss about such things. The people who are doing that are doing their KARMA and for that they will get the result of that. We are not the ones who should be trying to met out justice to them.

 

[qsaark]

So far, the points Tech Lahore has made are all valid. He has not tried to insult the religion but asked a simple question. If Hindus are allowed to sculpt their deities in nude postures, why cant Hussein? Secondly, painting human and animal figures are NOT ALLOWED in Islam let alone nude. So from his profession especially painting nudes, its clear that Mr. Hussein is only a Muslim in name, born to Muslim parents, otherwise he does not follow the teachings of his religion. In other words, Mr. Hussein IS A SECULAR just like Shahrukh Khan or other Bollywood Khans etc.

While posting this news, it never crossed to my mind that discussion will take this ugly turn where replies will be made not based on logic, but apparently on prejudice. I thought the Indians would consider it a national loss, just like the British, who said 'You take everything from us, but leave us with Shakespeare'. If this low a person of Hussein's stature is taken, than I do not see secularism has a very bright future in India.

I am sorry that I posted this news. Mods, please delete this thread.

 

[humanfirst]

@techlahore,
sir your whole argument is based on "hindus have done it before so why cant"a muslim".There is a hell lot of difference between what m.f hussain did and those paintings you showed.Let me explain briefly
*mf hussein made nude painting godess saraswati(godess of wisdom and knowledge),who possess a motherly stature to all hindus
*last 5000years not even a single painting or sculpture of goddess sarasvati in made in such a manner
*i have personally seen throughout my life,my hindu friends keeping a motherly relation to godess sarasvaty in their prayers.
So the point is not that mf.Hussein painted just another godess of hindus(there are a lot of them)BUT HE PAINTED NUDE,THE GODDESS WHO THE WHOLE HINDUS CONSIDER AS MOTHER
I HOPE YOU GOT THE DIFFERENCE
In india abusing any religion/religious personality is a punishable offence

 

[TechLahore]

You are not understanding. See the difference

Your mother can kick you. No issues to anyone.

Can I kick you since your mother kicked you?

If I understand the above you are basically saying that it is OK for a hindu to make these nude statues but not OK for a muslim? Is that right?

 

[TechLahore]

Tech Lahore, I'm one hundred percent sure you just wanted to take a dig at Hinduism, all you had to do was search online. Anyway, let me explain...before you question secularism... if one takes the liberty of painting anything Hindu naked and calls it art, why can't the same hold for a Muslim? Does art also take into account faith??? if it does, why Make Hindus naked then?

This swine deserves no place in India!!! If it was any other country he would have been hung, whipped, hands cutoff or killed!!!!

No. I didn't want to take a dig at Hinduism at all. I wanted to question secularism in India which is much ballyhooed but one sees often that it is just a facade. If you want to criticise me for that, please go ahead.

Where did I defend MF Husain?

And lastly, the country that would cut his hand or head off, does that country call itself a secular nation? Does that country tolerate similar nude drawings and paintings by people of the majority faith?

 

[Spitfighter]

Here's the deal, he indeed does have the freedom to draw and paint whatever he likes, IMO it shouldn't matter if the artist is a Hindu or Muslim, he certainly wasn't trying to offend anyone BUT with the freedom of expression comes some responsibility. Hussain should have exercised a little caution, he should have been mindful of people's religious sentiments. India is still India and given our history religion is always a touchy subject.

That said, the GoI still offered the guy protection, there were no death threats handed out by our government, there weren't any major protests, mainstream India did not care as much as the leaders who sought to politicize the issue did, the government was ready to provide the guy protection even today.

Despite the tumultuous history of the sub continent, secular ideals were upheld as they always will be. No one's claiming we're perfect, we only claim to try. Pakistanis can chose to make whatever they like of the issue, they need a constant dose of justification and if there's something they can twist to their benefit than that's fine. As long as we hold true to what we stand for and keep progressing, India will prevail.

 

[TechLahore]

@techlahore,
sir your whole argument is based on "hindus have done it before so why cant"a muslim".There is a hell lot of difference between what m.f hussain did and those paintings you showed.Let me explain briefly
*mf hussein made nude painting godess saraswati(godess of wisdom and knowledge),who possess a motherly stature to all hindus
*last 5000years not even a single painting or sculpture of goddess sarasvati in made in such a manner
*i have personally seen throughout my life,my hindu friends keeping a motherly relation to godess sarasvaty in their prayers.
So the point is not that mf.Hussein painted just another godess of hindus(there are a lot of them)BUT HE PAINTED NUDE,THE GODDESS WHO THE WHOLE HINDUS CONSIDER AS MOTHER
I HOPE YOU GOT THE DIFFERENCE
In india abusing any religion/religious personality is a punishable offence

I am very sorry that hindus were offended. I wish equal treatment was meted out and all hindus and muslims who have made nude paintings of hindu deities were punished equally.

 

[Ingis]

So far, the points Tech Lahore has made are all valid. He has not tried to insult the religion but asked a simple question. If Hindus are allowed to sculpt their deities in nude postures, why cant Hussein? Secondly, painting human and animal figures are NOT ALLOWED in Islam let alone nude. So from his profession especially painting nudes, its clear that Mr. Hussein is only a Muslim in name, born to Muslim parents, otherwise he does not follow the teachings of his religion. In other words, Mr. Hussein IS A SECULAR just like Shahrukh Khan or other Bollywood Khans etc.

While posting this news, it never crossed to my mind that discussion will take this ugly turn where replies will be made not based on logic, but apparently on prejudice. I thought the Indians would consider it a national loss, just like the British, who said 'You take everything from us, but leave us with Shakespeare'. If this low a person of Hussein's stature is taken, than I do not see secularism has a very bright future in India.

I am sorry that I posted this news. Mods, please delete this thread.

First of all... stop bringing India's secular credentials into this. Hussain has himself said that there are no threats to him in India and he is Qatar because of work and because he likes living there. STOP SPREADING LIES. You people are so shameless.

Secondly... Hussain's paintings were derogatory and insulting. I have said it numerous times that most of those nude sculptures of Hindu God represent ancient art (unlike some other religions, Hinduism has thousands of years history and has continuously evolved). Contemporary Hindu art is different.

Any contemporary art depicting the God nude is highly offensive to any Vedic Hindu.

 

[hero]

If I understand the above you are basically saying that it is OK for a hindu to make these nude statues but not OK for a muslim? Is that right?

Hindu will not draw any nude picture of godess sita and sarwathi if he follows hindusim. Muslim without any feeling for other fellow draw the painting which are offensive and aginist belive.

He should not draw which is controverial.

Again you misunderstood.

Your mother can kick you. Because She knows you and doing it for your better only.

Husain is not trying to reform hundusim by his painting?

 

[Trisonics]

No. I didn't want to take a dig at Hinduism at all. I wanted to question secularism in India which is much ballyhooed but one sees often that it is just a facade. If you want to criticise me for that, please go ahead.

Where did I defend MF Husain?

And lastly, the country that would cut his hand or head off, does that country call itself a secular nation? Does that country tolerate similar nude drawings and paintings by people of the majority faith?

Secularism is not defined by painting nude pics of gods! If you even bothered to read my post completely, painting a picture of Sita nude is provocative. Why paint Gandhi, decapitated with a naked Hitler???
Why paint India as a naked lady
and further more, This what irked Hindus:

MF Hussain: Rape of India

please see!!!!!

 

[TechLahore]

Pakistanis can chose to make whatever they like of the issue, they need a constant dose of justification and if there's something they can twist to their benefit than that's fine. As long as we hold true to what we stand for and keep progressing, India will prevail.

Do you really think I've been "twisting" things to my benefit here? I have not responded to personal attacks. I have been apologetic on things that I really have no business being apologetic about. I have even gone and deleted pictures that were not of my making and are still being hosted on an Indian website run by a hindu living an enjoyable life in India, as far as I know.

Any legitimate question or criticism must be seen as those evil Pakistanis "twisting" things to "their benefit"? Please go back and read what I have written. Please tell me what I have twisted or where I have been insulting to any member here or the hindu religion. Have I asked anything other than a single question: why is there disparate treatment for the same offense when the person who is attacked is a muslim, and the person who goes scott free, a hindu.

That is it. If you think this is a "twisting" of facts, then once again, I apologize. Please advise me as to how I should have raised what I consider to be a perfectly legitimate issue/question.

 

[Ingis]

Lol.. Time for u to find a new avatar . You will be banned for even talking about mohammad. Anyways answer to your ?, is no if hind in pak did something like that he will be killed by law if not by a mob before that.

Yup... that's true. Members will be banned here even if they talk about Muhammed.

But if someone posts pictures of Hindu God in nude, its all fine. And then these very same people have the audacity to lecture Indians and Hindus for not being secular.

 

[Hulk]

I am very sorry that hindus were offended. I wish equal treatment was meted out and all hindus and muslims who have made nude paintings of hindu deities were punished equally.

I am 100% sure of ur intention now, I replied to you but you ignored. You are here only to take a digg. I also ask one more question, forget about Muslim gods, why did he not even draw a Muslim common man nude.

Just because u r a good painter does not mean u r good person too. I am convinced he is 3rd class at heart. He had no threat to leave India, but he made it look like for publicity, so that people like you get a chance to malign India.