Message to Fellow Pakistanis Regarding Arab-India Relations

[Yankee-stani]

Start with driving on the right side of the road like rest of the world. Don't be an Anglo poodle.

Never understood why we drive RHD it's stupid all our neighbors besides India Drive LHD and since we are liking up with China via Belt and Road and in coming decades will see flow of traffic and goods how much extra infrastructure would be needed just for cars or trucks mainly crossing into Pak would be needed to prevent clog ups and accidents LHD should have been done way back in the 60s my pops use to tell me before the Japanese car invasion of the 60s and 70s you use to see those big Chevrolet land boats mixed in with British cars and plans to go LHD never occured

 

[StormBreaker]

I agree with a lot of what you said, Pakistan cannot afford the luxury of being incompetent and depend on foreign countries to 'make things all better' this country failed to mature even after 70 plus years, no doubt we can thank sharif et al for that.. but even now with IK we're still going backwards as the courts are soliciting to the highest bidder, it seems crime does pay, criminals are enriching themselves by selling this great nation with so much potential cheap.

Yes but that wasn’t the point of debate.

Let me give you a reply though.

A brave leader is the one who inspires others to be a leader. Now make a list of those in the last 7 decades, Any ?

Naah

 

[Old School]

Never understood why we drive RHD it's stupid all our neighbors besides India Drive LHD and since are liking up with China via Belt and Road and in coming decades will see flow of traffic and goods how much extra infrastructure would be needed just for cars or trucks mainly crossing into Pak would be needed to prevent clog ups and accidents LHD should have been done way back in the 60s my pops use to tell me before the Japanese car invasion of the 60s and 70s you use to see those big Chevrolet land boats mixed in with British cars and plans to go LHD never occured

Because British indoctrination and British indoctrinated people run PAKISTAN.

 

[StormBreaker]

Let me be quite frank a lot of the silent majority not the think skinned folks will probably not like what I am about to say.Indian Muslims are not our concern our concern should be Kashmir only many Indian Muslims for decades have barked against the existence of Pakistan many have even served in the very armed forces that occupy Kashmir tho I feel sorry for their status Indian Muslims have to focus on their own well being Kashmir should be a total concern for us its should be a complete nationalistic struggle and we have to put aside the old Hurriyat and mind I say the old senile man Gilliani he is too old and frankly bad for the cause the Indians will use that against our case because they will pull the old secular India vs Islamist Card we dont need that new faces are needed as for the GCC and Arab states dont bank on them they are pathetic as @StormBreaker said it's like screaming like a bunch of crying little kids for their own foreign and domestic policies Kashmir should be the utmost concern for us only diplomatic statements are good for press but its our struggle only forget China,Turkey or Iran ,GCC they will back us for geo strategic purposes not the main struggle

Kashmir is our land, It was always, That should be the concern, The effects of lockdown, Makes me really troubled thinking of these IOK people, What a hell life they have been living since almost a century !!

Frankly would say this, Matter is very concerning for Pakistanis, since we are Muslims, We believe in Islam, Our Arab women are also Muslims and believe in Islam, it is our duty right as being Muslims to protect our Arab women and girls from insults and derogatory words from Hindus and Indians or Indian Muslims attacked by fascists.

Yes what matters most is the types of support we give that is moral, verbal, monetary, weapons, diplomatic, economic, freedom of expression, whistle blower, truth speaker, or stay silent, is how a Pakistani can choose to respond, and I chose free method of communciation, freedom of expression to protect the weak from the ruthless dogs.

Black has no superiority over White man and Whites are not superior to Blacks, Arab are not better than a non-Arab and a Muslim is no better than a Non-Muslims. We are all equal, that is what Islam teaches us to follow.

So atleast let us expose the Evil from the Good. Call spade a spade. Thats all.

Ok,

No bro, Do one thing, Go support Arab lady in front of her face, Guess what she will say ?

“I don’t need support from you” (Sweetest reply you can expect).

So, Forget this ummah chummah, Politics, IRs, Interests, Racism, All of these have destroyed the ummah to core...

 

[Yankee-stani]

Yes but that wasn’t the point of debate.

Let me give you a reply though.

A brave leader is the one who inspires others to be a leader. Now make a list of those in the last 7 decades, Any ?

Naah

The problem is none of the founders of the country were made of steel of balls like a Stalin,Mao,Khomeini,Ataturk or Tito just lawyers and landowners the military men just made us a rentier for geo strategic purposes mainly for the Anglo-American world order

 

[HAIDER]

First of all if you think that Arab leaders will force India into something then those people have judged the situation wrong. Yes the voice for Indian Muslims have started in Arab world and few of them are also coming full down offensive on India for kashmir. OIC is awake suddenly but it is not sudden. This has been brewing up for some time in GCC. Arabs will cut relations in India but this will take years the thing which should be appreciated from arabs here is that they have woken up and that good sign.

I am already observing the 2 weeks of tweeting by Arabs is taking Modi govt on the back foot already. Many RSS handle are going full offensive but many of them are also scared and going silent. If you are not smart enough to understand what is going on it is better to stay silent and observe what is happening for sometime and then speak.

India is going to get a shock soon. Today I have seen appeals in India to donate zakat to Modi and Amit shah funds. I was not sure I would see this day in my life but it is happening.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252983801904599047

India is not the economical power it use to be, this pandemic has broken back bone of India in far worse way than you can imagine. Just relax wait and watch. Indian is getting more week than you can think.

Arabs have lot of young population which thinks differently from their older generation they are more caring and they are breaking the ice of Indian myth let them do it.

lol... now Modi need zakat ... what a day in Indian politics .

 

[StormBreaker]

The problem is none of the founders of the country were made of steel of balls like a Stalin,Mao,Khomeini,Ataturk or Tito just lawyers and landowners the military men just made us a rentier for geo strategic purposes mainly for the Anglo-American world order

Or gaddafi...

 

[HAIDER]

I was going through a thread “If Arab countries have shame, Cut off ties with india”

I don’t understand one thing of most of the Pakistanis here.

Why do you people involve religion in International Relations and that too of GCC ?

Relations of any Country with India or any other adversary are their problem, Their interest and their Benefits.

Now, Another problem of Us Pakistanis is, We ourselves have had visionLess and spineless leaders since quite some time. They don’t do or think anything Really BIG that would actually benefit us. CPEC is sort of spoon feeding of China to our lazy politicians who don’t have the mind to plan forward and use or plan resources accordingly, Hence China is doing that work for us. Pakistan has been going downhill after Ayub Khan, No daring leader. Times have demanded aggressive leaders but we are stuck with our national mentality of

“Chalra hai Chalne do, Guzara karo”

No one has come forward to challenge the reality and introducing some unreal strategies to overthrow the menace and plague which has restricted our development in the Energy, Transport, Oil and Industrial sector. Now, CPEC is focusing on these elements but with a long term cost of repayments, However, Yes, Help is appreciated as are eventually left with no other way but to accept help and help again.

Coming back to the criticism by fellow Pakistanis on the subject of GCC relations with India, Why do you all forget to consider KSA or UAE or Kuwait or Iran or Qatar to be like any other country in the Middle east or world ? Why expecting the Long Lost Ummah to play in the field of International Relations while clearly knowing that IR is all about interests and not brotherhood or something.

“Money talks More”, Several other interests that benefit a country such as cheap labor or Oil trade or various other factors, All these in the end, Form relations and strengthen or weaken them, Not the Pre WW1 Ottoman Ummah, Sadly it is a history, You have to accept it now and live with the reality. Maybe someday sometime, Again it would become a thing but this is not the time.

So don’t expect anything from GCC countries to cut off ties with India just for the sake of Pakistan, What do we have to offer to them? Cheap labor ? What else ? Why would they want to cut off ties with a Huge country just to satisfy us ?

We have strong ties with Turkey and Iran, Do they cry like is for the Ummah thing ? Asking us to cut off ties from Turkey and Iran ? No or seldom. So please stop crying like ladies or being jealous like a second wife, Live with the realities.

Instead, You people must try to wish for our ties being far better with GCC and others as compared to their ties with India, Let the balance scale fall to our side.

We curse Israel and don’t recognize it but Turks do, So Why don’t we cry to Turks fo Cut off the ties with Israel ?

Them constructing mandirs and awarding Modi some awards, Let them do, How does it concern us ? In the end, They won’t fight India but we will, Their trouble with India is none, Kashmir is not Arab territory but ours, So problem with India is ours.

India is in its last stages, it will dissolve sooner InshaAllah, Modi is the catalyst we wanted, He is breaking India for us while we don’t have to fight them.

@SIPRA @Mangus Ortus Novem @Blacklight @aliyusuf @HRK @Trailer23 @PakSword @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @BATMAN @Dazzler @Slav Defence @AsianLion @Verve @El Sidd @seven0seven

Basically Pakistani not concerned about ummah, but targeting indian arse by using arab bazooka. We know UAE already promise India for OIC membership. Change the policy according to the heat of the moment. Pakistani almost out of KSA and rest of Gulf countries due to economic meltdown. Pakistan pay more to these countries for oil then working Pakistani send remittances to Pakistan. Balance of trade is totally and was always in there favor. 12 billion annual oil bill vs 3 billion in remittances per year....

 

[StormBreaker]

Basically Pakistani not concerned about ummah, but targeting indian arse by using arab bazooka. We know UAE already promise India for OIC membership. Change the policy according to the heat of the moment.

India for OIC ? Source ?

Pakistanis are religiously emotional beings, Not what you are saying...

 

[HAIDER]

India for OIC ? Source ?

Pakistanis are religiously emotional beings, Not what you are saying...

Some Pakistani love to go extra mile...

In foreign relation there is no eternal enemy or eternal friends , its all game of interest.

UAE FM says can ‘embrace India in OIC’
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/439888-uae-fm-says-can-embrace-india-in-oic

 

[Clutch]

I was going through a thread “If Arab countries have shame, Cut off ties with india”

I don’t understand one thing of most of the Pakistanis here.

Why do you people involve religion in International Relations and that too of GCC ?

Relations of any Country with India or any other adversary are their problem, Their interest and their Benefits.

Now, Another problem of Us Pakistanis is, We ourselves have had visionLess and spineless leaders since quite some time. They don’t do or think anything Really BIG that would actually benefit us. CPEC is sort of spoon feeding of China to our lazy politicians who don’t have the mind to plan forward and use or plan resources accordingly, Hence China is doing that work for us. Pakistan has been going downhill after Ayub Khan, No daring leader. Times have demanded aggressive leaders but we are stuck with our national mentality of

“Chalra hai Chalne do, Guzara karo”

No one has come forward to challenge the reality and introducing some unreal strategies to overthrow the menace and plague which has restricted our development in the Energy, Transport, Oil and Industrial sector. Now, CPEC is focusing on these elements but with a long term cost of repayments, However, Yes, Help is appreciated as are eventually left with no other way but to accept help and help again.

Coming back to the criticism by fellow Pakistanis on the subject of GCC relations with India, Why do you all forget to consider KSA or UAE or Kuwait or Iran or Qatar to be like any other country in the Middle east or world ? Why expecting the Long Lost Ummah to play in the field of International Relations while clearly knowing that IR is all about interests and not brotherhood or something.

“Money talks More”, Several other interests that benefit a country such as cheap labor or Oil trade or various other factors, All these in the end, Form relations and strengthen or weaken them, Not the Pre WW1 Ottoman Ummah, Sadly it is a history, You have to accept it now and live with the reality. Maybe someday sometime, Again it would become a thing but this is not the time.

So don’t expect anything from GCC countries to cut off ties with India just for the sake of Pakistan, What do we have to offer to them? Cheap labor ? What else ? Why would they want to cut off ties with a Huge country just to satisfy us ?

We have strong ties with Turkey and Iran, Do they cry like is for the Ummah thing ? Asking us to cut off ties from Turkey and Iran ? No or seldom. So please stop crying like ladies or being jealous like a second wife, Live with the realities.

Instead, You people must try to wish for our ties being far better with GCC and others as compared to their ties with India, Let the balance scale fall to our side.

We curse Israel and don’t recognize it but Turks do, So Why don’t we cry to Turks fo Cut off the ties with Israel ?

Them constructing mandirs and awarding Modi some awards, Let them do, How does it concern us ? In the end, They won’t fight India but we will, Their trouble with India is none, Kashmir is not Arab territory but ours, So problem with India is ours.

India is in its last stages, it will dissolve sooner InshaAllah, Modi is the catalyst we wanted, He is breaking India for us while we don’t have to fight them.

@SIPRA @Mangus Ortus Novem @Blacklight @aliyusuf @HRK @Trailer23 @PakSword @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @BATMAN @Dazzler @Slav Defence @AsianLion @Verve @El Sidd @seven0seven

Simple... Because beggars can't be choosers. Pakistan as a poverty stricken nation stripped due to societal institutionalized corruption.... Pakistani will always resort to emotional pleadging vis-a-vis international relations... Because a beggar always appeals to emotional blackmail.

 

[fisher1]

We like to hate Arabs for giving medal to Modi but how conveniently we forget that Imran Khan wished for and helped Modi win elections. It made Modi so popular and come off as a winner and have face saving after the humiliating February episode.

This was after India attacked Pakistan. I don't remember India attacking Arab countries then them hoping Modi wins elections.

Then he constantly phoned him and Modi not once picking it up. He wrote letters.

He was called a statesman and visionary and "masterstroke". Then as expected, he goes Modi is Hitler Nazi, even a kid in Pakistan knew what kind of man Modi was and our PM didn't, heh.

Maybe the Arabs also didn't know Modi is bad or they were playing a masterstroke and being visionary.

Just showing the hypocrisy of Pakistanis. We're no different than Arabs. I don't know what's up with Pakistanis and their hatred towards our brethren.

Let the Arabs learn what type of people Indians are at their own pace just like we allowed visionary Imran Khan to learn at his slow snail pace.

We Pakistanis are the last people that should judge anyone when it comes to our Muslim brethren.

 

[peagle]

I guess, I should have wrote one simple line.

“Before criticizing GCC, Look at India through the lens of GCC leaders”

A filth like modi deserves slow and painful death Instead of awards, But like I said, Don’t expect them to get involved in our business with india, Same to how we react with regards to our friendly relations with iran, We are like “That is your problem, Not ours”.


That is the point, Why shall we interfere in their matters ?

lol no a simple line would not have done the topic justice, I enjoyed reading your thoughts, sorry but just was not in the mood for a lengthy discussion that has the potential to turn into an argument, especially with my own Pakistani brother.

I don't expect them to get involved in our business, but I'm also being realistic in having broad expectations in our relations with those countries. By saying don't expect them to get involved I think it is overly simplistic, and expecting them to fully back us is also very simplistic. There is a very realistic middle ground. Other countries have expectations from us and it is only fair we should have certain expectations from other countries.

It is the first time ever I have been on these forums so don't fully know how it works as yet, if it is possible to have a private communication here I would love to explore this topic further. Stay safe

 

[StormBreaker]

lol no a simple line would not have done the topic justice, I enjoyed reading your thoughts, sorry but just was not in the mood for a lengthy discussion that has the potential to turn into an argument, especially with my own Pakistani brother.

I don't expect them to get involved in our business, but I'm also being realistic in having broad expectations in our relations with those countries. By saying don't expect them to get involved I think it is overly simplistic, and expecting them to fully back us is also very simplistic. There is a very realistic middle ground. Other countries have expectations from us and it is only fair we should have certain expectations from other countries.

It is the first time ever I have been on these forums so don't fully know how it works as yet, if it is possible to have a private communication here I would love to explore this topic further. Stay safe

You have explained it realistically and what is actually supposed to.

Now you said that we expect them to be more to us.

Hence why I mentioned of not having daring leaders to themselves step forward foreign relations. Instead, We have lazy cats.

For them to do more, We have to upgrade ourselves as well, We must give them the needed attraction

@blain2 @Foxtrot Alpha @StormBreaker @Horus @PakSword @Mentee @SIPRA @masterchief_mirza @Ace of Spades @Blacklight

What is rather amusing is that there are some fake accounts...apparently tweeting in favour of Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan and how GCC is 'angry' or standing up with the Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan...

BUT NONE in favour of PakKashmiris in IoJK....

I wonder why?

Is it possible that this is actually a RAW Operation .... to spread this Fake account driven 'outrage' including the GCC ruling family memebers's name used.... and then all of sudden it is Blamed on Pakistan... to drive GCC further away from Pakistan.... ?

This is something which needs to analysed by people like @Horus and @Foxtrot Alpha

Something is terribly off with this new TweetStorm ...just doesn't add up...

@StormBreaker good attempt to bring sanity back in all this... Our Strategy should be to let Indian simmer in the juices of Indianness and keep Our Focus on PakKashmiris and keep highlight general slow Genocide of Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan....

In the end States work in their own self interests.... and why not!

Have you noticed another thing?

That princess who was being hyped, She has tactically retreated very smartly, like, She was near the border of sparking huge debates and social media quarrels but then she retreated. While I believe she is acting quite rational, But then still, All the “Water on a new borne fire before it even spread”

Let me give you an example

https://twitter.com/x/status/1253036673543405568

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252672996101292033

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252582664881741827

But one thing is quiet disappointing.

The indian politicians are actively speaking against Arabs while this so called Princess, She and other arabs have got all right to defend themselves, Keep their dignity and Give tit for tat answers, But she withdrew !!!

Why !!!!! What do they have to fear against these Indian smelly rats ? Nothing !!!

India needs them more than they need India, Actually Arabs aren’t realizing their potential, Makes me piss of Why !!!

If Sheikh Zayed had been Alive today, I am pretty sure, He would have officially demanded apology from India.

@blain2 @Foxtrot Alpha @StormBreaker @Horus @PakSword @Mentee @SIPRA @masterchief_mirza @Ace of Spades @Blacklight

What is rather amusing is that there are some fake accounts...apparently tweeting in favour of Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan and how GCC is 'angry' or standing up with the Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan...

BUT NONE in favour of PakKashmiris in IoJK....

I wonder why?

Is it possible that this is actually a RAW Operation .... to spread this Fake account driven 'outrage' including the GCC ruling family memebers's name used.... and then all of sudden it is Blamed on Pakistan... to drive GCC further away from Pakistan.... ?

This is something which needs to analysed by people like @Horus and @Foxtrot Alpha

Something is terribly off with this new TweetStorm ...just doesn't add up...

@StormBreaker good attempt to bring sanity back in all this... Our Strategy should be to let Indian simmer in the juices of Indianness and keep Our Focus on PakKashmiris and keep highlight general slow Genocide of Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan....

In the end States work in their own self interests.... and why not!

Indians living abroad, Most of them have the reason “Our Motherland isn’t suitable for us due to religious troubles”. The more Indian muslims get in trouble, More Indians towards GCC/Other countries

 

[313ghazi]

I was going through a thread “If Arab countries have shame, Cut off ties with india”

I don’t understand one thing of most of the Pakistanis here.

Why do you people involve religion in International Relations and that too of GCC ?

Relations of any Country with India or any other adversary are their problem, Their interest and their Benefits.

Now, Another problem of Us Pakistanis is, We ourselves have had visionLess and spineless leaders since quite some time. They don’t do or think anything Really BIG that would actually benefit us. CPEC is sort of spoon feeding of China to our lazy politicians who don’t have the mind to plan forward and use or plan resources accordingly, Hence China is doing that work for us. Pakistan has been going downhill after Ayub Khan, No daring leader. Times have demanded aggressive leaders but we are stuck with our national mentality of

“Chalra hai Chalne do, Guzara karo”

No one has come forward to challenge the reality and introducing some unreal strategies to overthrow the menace and plague which has restricted our development in the Energy, Transport, Oil and Industrial sector. Now, CPEC is focusing on these elements but with a long term cost of repayments, However, Yes, Help is appreciated as are eventually left with no other way but to accept help and help again.

Coming back to the criticism by fellow Pakistanis on the subject of GCC relations with India, Why do you all forget to consider KSA or UAE or Kuwait or Iran or Qatar to be like any other country in the Middle east or world ? Why expecting the Long Lost Ummah to play in the field of International Relations while clearly knowing that IR is all about interests and not brotherhood or something.

“Money talks More”, Several other interests that benefit a country such as cheap labor or Oil trade or various other factors, All these in the end, Form relations and strengthen or weaken them, Not the Pre WW1 Ottoman Ummah, Sadly it is a history, You have to accept it now and live with the reality. Maybe someday sometime, Again it would become a thing but this is not the time.

So don’t expect anything from GCC countries to cut off ties with India just for the sake of Pakistan, What do we have to offer to them? Cheap labor ? What else ? Why would they want to cut off ties with a Huge country just to satisfy us ?

We have strong ties with Turkey and Iran, Do they cry like is for the Ummah thing ? Asking us to cut off ties from Turkey and Iran ? No or seldom. So please stop crying like ladies or being jealous like a second wife, Live with the realities.

Instead, You people must try to wish for our ties being far better with GCC and others as compared to their ties with India, Let the balance scale fall to our side.

We curse Israel and don’t recognize it but Turks do, So Why don’t we cry to Turks fo Cut off the ties with Israel ?

Them constructing mandirs and awarding Modi some awards, Let them do, How does it concern us ? In the end, They won’t fight India but we will, Their trouble with India is none, Kashmir is not Arab territory but ours, So problem with India is ours.

India is in its last stages, it will dissolve sooner InshaAllah, Modi is the catalyst we wanted, He is breaking India for us while we don’t have to fight them.

@SIPRA @Mangus Ortus Novem @Blacklight @aliyusuf @HRK @Trailer23 @PakSword @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @BATMAN @Dazzler @Slav Defence @AsianLion @Verve @El Sidd @seven0seven

Very well put brother. People need to realise the difference between their ideals and the reality of world politics.