Message to Fellow Pakistanis Regarding Arab-India Relations

[StormBreaker]

I was going through a thread “If Arab countries have shame, Cut off ties with india”

I don’t understand one thing of most of the Pakistanis here.

Why do you people involve religion in International Relations and that too of GCC ?

Relations of any Country with India or any other adversary are their problem, Their interest and their Benefits.

Now, Another problem of Us Pakistanis is, We ourselves have had visionLess and spineless leaders since quite some time. They don’t do or think anything Really BIG that would actually benefit us. CPEC is sort of spoon feeding of China to our lazy politicians who don’t have the mind to plan forward and use or plan resources accordingly, Hence China is doing that work for us. Pakistan has been going downhill after Ayub Khan, No daring leader. Times have demanded aggressive leaders but we are stuck with our national mentality of

“Chalra hai Chalne do, Guzara karo”

No one has come forward to challenge the reality and introducing some unreal strategies to overthrow the menace and plague which has restricted our development in the Energy, Transport, Oil and Industrial sector. Now, CPEC is focusing on these elements but with a long term cost of repayments, However, Yes, Help is appreciated as are eventually left with no other way but to accept help and help again.

Coming back to the criticism by fellow Pakistanis on the subject of GCC relations with India, Why do you all forget to consider KSA or UAE or Kuwait or Iran or Qatar to be like any other country in the Middle east or world ? Why expecting the Long Lost Ummah to play in the field of International Relations while clearly knowing that IR is all about interests and not brotherhood or something.

“Money talks More”, Several other interests that benefit a country such as cheap labor or Oil trade or various other factors, All these in the end, Form relations and strengthen or weaken them, Not the Pre WW1 Ottoman Ummah, Sadly it is a history, You have to accept it now and live with the reality. Maybe someday sometime, Again it would become a thing but this is not the time.

So don’t expect anything from GCC countries to cut off ties with India just for the sake of Pakistan, What do we have to offer to them? Cheap labor ? What else ? Why would they want to cut off ties with a Huge country just to satisfy us ?

We have strong ties with Turkey and Iran, Do they cry like is for the Ummah thing ? Asking us to cut off ties from Turkey and Iran ? No or seldom. So please stop crying like ladies or being jealous like a second wife, Live with the realities.

Instead, You people must try to wish for our ties being far better with GCC and others as compared to their ties with India, Let the balance scale fall to our side.

We curse Israel and don’t recognize it but Turks do, So Why don’t we cry to Turks fo Cut off the ties with Israel ?

Them constructing mandirs and awarding Modi some awards, Let them do, How does it concern us ? In the end, They won’t fight India but we will, Their trouble with India is none, Kashmir is not Arab territory but ours, So problem with India is ours.

India is in its last stages, it will dissolve sooner InshaAllah, Modi is the catalyst we wanted, He is breaking India for us while we don’t have to fight them.

@SIPRA @Mangus Ortus Novem @Blacklight @aliyusuf @HRK @Trailer23 @PakSword @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @BATMAN @Dazzler @Slav Defence @AsianLion @Verve @El Sidd @seven0seven

 

[gangsta_rap]

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[BHarwana]

First of all if you think that Arab leaders will force India into something then those people have judged the situation wrong. Yes the voice for Indian Muslims have started in Arab world and few of them are also coming full down offensive on India for kashmir. OIC is awake suddenly but it is not sudden. This has been brewing up for some time in GCC. Arabs will cut relations in India but this will take years the thing which should be appreciated from arabs here is that they have woken up and that good sign.

I am already observing the 2 weeks of tweeting by Arabs is taking Modi govt on the back foot already. Many RSS handle are going full offensive but many of them are also scared and going silent. If you are not smart enough to understand what is going on it is better to stay silent and observe what is happening for sometime and then speak.

India is going to get a shock soon. Today I have seen appeals in India to donate zakat to Modi and Amit shah funds. I was not sure I would see this day in my life but it is happening.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1252983801904599047

India is not the economical power it use to be, this pandemic has broken back bone of India in far worse way than you can imagine. Just relax wait and watch. Indian is getting more week than you can think.

Arabs have lot of young population which thinks differently from their older generation they are more caring and they are breaking the ice of Indian myth let them do it.

 

[peagle]

I was going through a thread “If Arab countries have shame, Cut off ties with india”

I don’t understand one thing of most of the Pakistanis here.

Why do you people involve religion in International Relations and that too of GCC ?

Relations of any Country with India or any other adversary are their problem, Their interest and their Benefits.

Now, Another problem of Us Pakistanis is, We ourselves have had visionLess and spineless leaders since quite some time. They don’t do or think anything Really BIG that would actually benefit us. CPEC is sort of spoon feeding of China to our lazy politicians who don’t have the mind to plan forward and use or plan resources accordingly, Hence China is doing that work for us. Pakistan has been going downhill after Ayub Khan, No daring leader. Times have demanded aggressive leaders but we are stuck with our national mentality of

“Chalra hai Chalne do, Guzara karo”

No one has come forward to challenge the reality and introducing some unreal strategies to overthrow the menace and plague which has restricted our development in the Energy, Transport, Oil and Industrial sector. Now, CPEC is focusing on these elements but with a long term cost of repayments, However, Yes, Help is appreciated as are eventually left with no other way but to accept help and help again.

Coming back to the criticism by fellow Pakistanis on the subject of GCC relations with India, Why do you all forget to consider KSA or UAE or Kuwait or Iran or Qatar to be like any other country in the Middle east or world ? Why expecting the Long Lost Ummah to play in the field of International Relations while clearly knowing that IR is all about interests and not brotherhood or something.

“Money talks More”, Several other interests that benefit a country such as cheap labor or Oil trade or various other factors, All these in the end, Form relations and strengthen or weaken them, Not the Pre WW1 Ottoman Ummah, Sadly it is a history, You have to accept it now and live with the reality. Maybe someday sometime, Again it would become a thing but this is not the time.

So don’t expect anything from GCC countries to cut off ties with India just for the sake of Pakistan, What do we have to offer to them? Cheap labor ? What else ? Why would they want to cut off ties with a Huge country just to satisfy us ?

We have strong ties with Turkey and Iran, Do they cry like is for the Ummah thing ? Asking us to cut off ties from Turkey and Iran ? No or seldom. So please stop crying like ladies or being jealous like a second wife, Live with the realities.

Instead, You people must try to wish for our ties being far better with GCC and others as compared to their ties with India, Let the balance scale fall to our side.

We curse Israel and don’t recognize it but Turks do, So Why don’t we cry to Turks fo Cut off the ties with Israel ?

Them constructing mandirs and awarding Modi some awards, Let them do, How does it concern us ? In the end, They won’t fight India but we will, Their trouble with India is none, Kashmir is not Arab territory but ours, So problem with India is ours.

India is in its last stages, it will dissolve sooner InshaAllah, Modi is the catalyst we wanted, He is breaking India for us while we don’t have to fight them.

@SIPRA @Mangus Ortus Novem @Blacklight @aliyusuf @HRK @Trailer23 @PakSword @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @BATMAN @Dazzler @Slav Defence @AsianLion @Verve @El Sidd @seven0seven

Without wanting to enter this debate in it's finer details, the very least you can expect the Arabs to do is not honor and give medals to the person targeting and persecuting Muslims in his own country. A person who was banned by much of the world before he became Prime Minister of India.

I agree, they still need to have good relations with India, but giving medals is just rubbing salt in the wounds of Indian Muslims and the people of Kashmir. I am a little tired of us Pakistanis always trying to be understanding. Much of what you have stated, I do agree with, but let us not give a blanket clearance to these countries.

A lot of things take precedence in international relations, including morality, ethics and taking a stand for your own, in this case, our Muslim brethren and sistren.

 

[Ghazwa-e-Hind]

If we are expecting Arabs help to contain India's atrocities against muslims, sorry I have bad news

 

[Yankee-stani]

Let me be quite frank a lot of the silent majority not the think skinned folks will probably not like what I am about to say.Indian Muslims are not our concern our concern should be Kashmir only many Indian Muslims for decades have barked against the existence of Pakistan many have even served in the very armed forces that occupy Kashmir tho I feel sorry for their status Indian Muslims have to focus on their own well being Kashmir should be a total concern for us its should be a complete nationalistic struggle and we have to put aside the old Hurriyat and mind I say the old senile man Gilliani he is too old and frankly bad for the cause the Indians will use that against our case because they will pull the old secular India vs Islamist Card we dont need that new faces are needed as for the GCC and Arab states dont bank on them they are pathetic as @StormBreaker said it's like screaming like a bunch of crying little kids for their own foreign and domestic policies Kashmir should be the utmost concern for us only diplomatic statements are good for press but its our struggle only forget China,Turkey or Iran ,GCC they will back us for geo strategic purposes not the main struggle

 

[Old School]

Rich brothers have more say than the poorer brothers even within a family. Parents give importance to rich sons over poor sons because rich sons give them money but poor sons ask for money instead. This not fair but this is the reality. This is how life goes on. I am eagerly waiting for the day when PAKISTAN will financially bail out a GCC state, Insha'Allah.

 

[Asian.Century]

Frankly would say this, Matter is very concerning for Pakistanis, since we are Muslims, We believe in Islam, Our Arab women are also Muslims and believe in Islam, it is our duty right as being Muslims to protect our Arab women and girls from insults and derogatory words from Hindus and Indians or Indian Muslims attacked by fascists.

Yes what matters most is the types of support we give that is moral, verbal, monetary, weapons, diplomatic, economic, freedom of expression, whistle blower, truth speaker, or stay silent, is how a Pakistani can choose to respond, and I chose free method of communciation, freedom of expression to protect the weak from the ruthless dogs.

Black has no superiority over White man and Whites are not superior to Blacks, Arab are not better than a non-Arab and a Muslim is no better than a Non-Muslims. We are all equal, that is what Islam teaches us to follow.

So atleast let us expose the Evil from the Good. Call spade a spade. Thats all.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Rich brothers have more say than the poorer brothers even within a family. Parents give importance to rich sons over poor sons because rich sons give them money but poor sons ask for money instead. This not fair but this is the reality. This is how life goes on. I am eagerly waiting for the day when PAKISTAN will financially bail out a GCC state, Insha'Allah.

I have dream one day PAKISTAN will be an actual world power that bails out other countries and a force to be reckon with not some sub par regional power with nukes only

 

[Old School]

I have dream one day PAKISTAN will be an actual world power that bail out other countries and a force to be reckon with

For that to happen, we need to drastically change our attitude. We need to stop worshipping colonial slaves.

 

[Yankee-stani]

For that to happen, we need to drastically change our attitude. We need to stop worshipping colonial slaves.

Throw the Anglo Babbons out of the elite

 

[Old School]

Throw the Anglo Babbons out of the elite

Start with driving on the right side of the road like rest of the world. Don't be an Anglo poodle. Why still driving on the left ? It is also Islamic way to use the right side. Left side is satanic.

 

[Dual Wielder]

I agree with a lot of what you said, Pakistan cannot afford the luxury of being incompetent and depend on foreign countries to 'make things all better' this country failed to mature even after 70 plus years, no doubt we can thank sharif et al for that.. but even now with IK we're still going backwards as the courts are soliciting to the highest bidder, it seems crime does pay, criminals are enriching themselves by selling this great nation with so much potential cheap.

 

[bsruzm]

We curse Israel and don’t recognize it but Turks do, So Why don’t we cry to Turks fo Cut off the ties with Israel ?

I am not a worshipper of Israel or in favor of but that's wrong. I say, give it a try

 

[StormBreaker]

Without wanting to enter this debate in it's finer details, the very least you can expect the Arabs to do is not honor and give medals to the person targeting and persecuting Muslims in his own country. A person who was banned by much of the world before he became Prime Minister of India.

I agree, they still need to have good relations with India, but giving medals is just rubbing salt in the wounds of Indian Muslims and the people of Kashmir. I am a little tired of us Pakistanis always trying to be understanding. Much of what you have stated, I do agree with, but let us not give a blanket clearance to these countries.

A lot of things take precedence in international relations, including morality, ethics and taking a stand for your own, in this case, our Muslim brethren and sistren.

I guess, I should have wrote one simple line.

“Before criticizing GCC, Look at India through the lens of GCC leaders”

A filth like modi deserves slow and painful death Instead of awards, But like I said, Don’t expect them to get involved in our business with india, Same to how we react with regards to our friendly relations with iran, We are like “That is your problem, Not ours”.

I am not a worshipper of Israel or in favor of but that's wrong. I say, give it a try

That is the point, Why shall we interfere in their matters ?