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"Mehsud offers unconditional surrender"
Really? That's great.
Everybody meet outside Peshawar's central jail. Get the army engineers busy building a temporary prison facility adjacent. Send your emissaries afar to tell all "miscreants" in the field to report to the prison, surrender your weapons, be secured by the awaiting police, and await processing as either a criminal or combattant.
That would be an unconditional surrender. I'll believe it when seen.
Since a mysterious explosion in Kabul we've seen a change in ISI leadership, actual P.A. combat operations in Bajaur, and a hefty uptick in PREDATOR strikes- TO INCLUDE S. WAZIRISTAN.
Something's changed. I'm sure that PREDATOR has found plenty of large rats on the move since things got dicey in Bajaur. Cell-phones are being used. Escapes planned. New safe houses established...
Much upheavel within their once-comfortable abodes. Their movement has rendered them especially vulnerable to attack. Good. Keep the pressure up. The benefits are clear in the tangible corpses of dead al-Qaeda and taliban leaders from recent strikes.
The P.A. needs to look at it's operations in Bajaur and elsewhere. There are real military issues arising from the use of heavy weapons, artillery, and PAF airstrikes on the local population. Some reports indicate as many as 200,000 refugees in Bajaur. As with the recent Quetta earthquake, these people will be severely affected by the oncoming winter weather.
Yet the P.A. has very legitimately found these "miscreants" well-prepared by both fortifications within residential homes connected by cross-street tunnels, superbly tied-in interlocking fields of fire, and a determination to defend with their own very considerable weaponry. No easy nut to crack for infantry without the use of heavy weapons and indicative of their area's continuing value to the "miscreants".
But if there's dualism required in perspective, it has nothing to do with the identification of those worthy of war. It's, instead, the requirement of the GoP to put it's money where it's mouth too often goes- towards the citizenry of NWFP and the "wards" of the autonomous regions. That requires an extensive social and construction engineering efforts aimed at both minds and structure. There's been far too little evidence of such a parallel effort to date. Maybe it's the economy. Maybe it's the recent earthquake. But one without the other won't even convince this war-mongering American of Pakistan's true and full appreciation of the depths of it's travails.
It'll be a terribly long haul and civil projects must take the fore immediately on the heels of established security. Thus, please don't announce "victory" in these districts before being prepared to bring all the visible signs of such to their residents.
Funny enough, that term- "miscreant", now truly applies for this mish-mash of troublemakers- none whom possess one legitimate notion of improvement for those whom they profess to represent and defend. Where' the social agenda of the taliban to raise forth the living standards of the border regions of both sides?
There's much talk of the different "taliban" here- good and bad. There's plenty of support on this board for the good "taliban". Not much for the other group much less the assorted criminals and affiliated n'er do well's with various nationalist bents. Many boardmembers support the good "taliban" understanding fully that it's the intention of these groups to continue using the Pakistani border region as sanctuary from which to assault the afghani government and people.
Understandably, this dualist approach by supporters here and elsewhere to Pakistan's own insurgency offers no relief to the Afghan gov't nor ISAF. Nor can it possibly strengthen the GoP's protestations about PREDATOR. Were that the Turkish army across your border, the area would long since have been OCCUPIED. Even today, the U.S. and Iraq recognize Turkey's manifest need to attack the PKK where they live and reconstitute. Neither Iraq, the KRG (Kurdish Regional Government) nor the U.S. are prepared to seriously address the PKK. None, though, are prepared to oppose Turkey's right to self-defense even should that includes the periodic cross-border raids and operations demanded by the Turkish public that we all freely read about.
No. There's only one way- stack arms and walk into prison with your fate in the hands of military tribunals. That's unconditional surrender and the only answer which can be demanded by a Pakistani people that value true sovereignty and allegiance to one nation and one flag over accomodations of political convenience.
A few thoughts by a neo-con minion of the Great Satan for your enjoyment and temporal edification.
Really? That's great.
Everybody meet outside Peshawar's central jail. Get the army engineers busy building a temporary prison facility adjacent. Send your emissaries afar to tell all "miscreants" in the field to report to the prison, surrender your weapons, be secured by the awaiting police, and await processing as either a criminal or combattant.
That would be an unconditional surrender. I'll believe it when seen.
Since a mysterious explosion in Kabul we've seen a change in ISI leadership, actual P.A. combat operations in Bajaur, and a hefty uptick in PREDATOR strikes- TO INCLUDE S. WAZIRISTAN.
Something's changed. I'm sure that PREDATOR has found plenty of large rats on the move since things got dicey in Bajaur. Cell-phones are being used. Escapes planned. New safe houses established...
Much upheavel within their once-comfortable abodes. Their movement has rendered them especially vulnerable to attack. Good. Keep the pressure up. The benefits are clear in the tangible corpses of dead al-Qaeda and taliban leaders from recent strikes.
The P.A. needs to look at it's operations in Bajaur and elsewhere. There are real military issues arising from the use of heavy weapons, artillery, and PAF airstrikes on the local population. Some reports indicate as many as 200,000 refugees in Bajaur. As with the recent Quetta earthquake, these people will be severely affected by the oncoming winter weather.
Yet the P.A. has very legitimately found these "miscreants" well-prepared by both fortifications within residential homes connected by cross-street tunnels, superbly tied-in interlocking fields of fire, and a determination to defend with their own very considerable weaponry. No easy nut to crack for infantry without the use of heavy weapons and indicative of their area's continuing value to the "miscreants".
But if there's dualism required in perspective, it has nothing to do with the identification of those worthy of war. It's, instead, the requirement of the GoP to put it's money where it's mouth too often goes- towards the citizenry of NWFP and the "wards" of the autonomous regions. That requires an extensive social and construction engineering efforts aimed at both minds and structure. There's been far too little evidence of such a parallel effort to date. Maybe it's the economy. Maybe it's the recent earthquake. But one without the other won't even convince this war-mongering American of Pakistan's true and full appreciation of the depths of it's travails.
It'll be a terribly long haul and civil projects must take the fore immediately on the heels of established security. Thus, please don't announce "victory" in these districts before being prepared to bring all the visible signs of such to their residents.
Funny enough, that term- "miscreant", now truly applies for this mish-mash of troublemakers- none whom possess one legitimate notion of improvement for those whom they profess to represent and defend. Where' the social agenda of the taliban to raise forth the living standards of the border regions of both sides?
There's much talk of the different "taliban" here- good and bad. There's plenty of support on this board for the good "taliban". Not much for the other group much less the assorted criminals and affiliated n'er do well's with various nationalist bents. Many boardmembers support the good "taliban" understanding fully that it's the intention of these groups to continue using the Pakistani border region as sanctuary from which to assault the afghani government and people.
Understandably, this dualist approach by supporters here and elsewhere to Pakistan's own insurgency offers no relief to the Afghan gov't nor ISAF. Nor can it possibly strengthen the GoP's protestations about PREDATOR. Were that the Turkish army across your border, the area would long since have been OCCUPIED. Even today, the U.S. and Iraq recognize Turkey's manifest need to attack the PKK where they live and reconstitute. Neither Iraq, the KRG (Kurdish Regional Government) nor the U.S. are prepared to seriously address the PKK. None, though, are prepared to oppose Turkey's right to self-defense even should that includes the periodic cross-border raids and operations demanded by the Turkish public that we all freely read about.
No. There's only one way- stack arms and walk into prison with your fate in the hands of military tribunals. That's unconditional surrender and the only answer which can be demanded by a Pakistani people that value true sovereignty and allegiance to one nation and one flag over accomodations of political convenience.
A few thoughts by a neo-con minion of the Great Satan for your enjoyment and temporal edification.
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