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Meeting India's military challenge

Thursday, January 28, 2010

Muneer Akram

During US Defence Secretary Gates' recent visit, we have again heard the refrain of our Western friends that terrorism and the Taliban, not India, pose an 'existential' threat to Pakistan.

But India's own actions and pronouncements belie these Western assertions. For the past year, India has refused to resume "composite dialogue" and has regularly threatened military action against Pakistan in the event of another Mumbai-like incident. And, while protesting loudly about pro-Kashmiri militant groups like the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, India has been busy fomenting dissension and insurgency in Balochistan, FATA and other parts of Pakistan.

It was hardly helpful that Secretary Gates virtually endorsed India's belligerence when he told reporters in New Delhi that "it's not unreasonable to assume India's patience would be limited were there to be further (Mumbai-type) attacks." It would have been better if India was told that it is its posture which risks an Indo-Pakistan conflict and that anti-Indian violence will end once New Delhi halts its suppression of the Kashmiri people.

Any lingering doubt about India's hostile intentions and policies towards Pakistan should have been set to rest by the new military doctrine outlined recently by the Indian army chief. General Kapoor identified five thrust areas for the Indian military build-up: the ability to fight a two-front war against Pakistan and China; optimise capacity to counter asymmetric and sub-conventional threats; enhance capabilities for strategic reach and "out-of-area operations from the Persian Gulf to the Malacca Straits; acquire strategic (intercontinental) and space-based capabilities and ballistic missile defenses, and ensure a technical edge over adversaries (that is, Pakistan and China).

The new doctrine reflects India's great power aspirations. But, the greatest danger for Pakistan emanates from the concept of the so-called 'Cold Start' strategy, propounded by General Kapoor, to mobilise and strike fast (within 96 hours) at Pakistan "under a WMD overhang". At its meeting on January 13, 2010, Pakistan's National Command Authority "took serious note of recent Indian statements about its capability to conduct conventional military strikes under a nuclear umbrella" describing this as "oblivious to the dangerous implications of adventurism in a nuclearised context."This is, of course, not the first time India has contemplated a limited war or a conventional attack against Pakistan after South Asia was nuclearised. Indian leaders and military officers have often threatened 'hot pursuit' and 'lightning strikes' against training camps across the LoC in Kashmir. But they could not ignore Pakistan's stance that no war between India and Pakistan could be conceived as a limited war. In 1987, and again in 2002, India contemplated a full-scale attack against Pakistan. On both occasions, India discovered that it did not have the capacity to overcome Pakistan's conventional defences.

India no doubt hopes that with the western weapons faucets now open to it, it can, in the near future, acquire the capability to defeat Pakistan in a conventional conflict. All the new capabilities and weapons systems acquired by India, whatever the proffered rationale, can and will be deployed and used against Pakistan in the event of a future confrontation or conflict. Today, over 70 per cent of India's military capabilities – land, air and naval – are deployed against Pakistan. There is no reason to believe that this proportion will change in the foreseeable future.

Pakistan cannot, of course, afford to match India's military build up. Its response will have to be defensive, asymmetrical, innovative, and achieved at much lower cost. Pakistan's forces may need to do some tactical rethinking. For example, an Indian tank force can be more effectively destroyed by drones and missiles rather than a matching tank force. A large surface navy can be seriously damaged by submarines and mobile missile-boats. The eight Indian "battle groups" may be more mobile; but they would also be vulnerable to encirclement and destruction. Rather than spread themselves thin to defend the entire Eastern border, Pakistani forces could adopt an offensive-defensive strategy, focusing a thrust into Kashmir to bottle up half a million Indian troops there.

Following the post-Mumbai situation and the emergence of India's Cold Start strategy, Pakistan's armed forces have undertaken extensive war games to counter this threat. If the Indians have watched these closely, they should be clear in their minds that the danger of conventional adventurism escalating to the nuclear level cannot be ruled out. This was the general conclusion in 2002 -- confirmed among others by Pentagon war games. The Indo-Pakistan "composite dialogue" was restarted in 2003 on the basis of the mutual recognition that a military conflict between the two nuclear-armed countries was too dangerous to contemplate.

The critical question which arises, therefore, is what has given Indian military planners the confidence now that a conventional attack will not escalate to the mutually disastrous nuclear level? There could be three possible reasons for India's "new" confidence:

First, India may believe that the new capabilities it is acquiring – Israeli AWACs, US-Israeli-Russian ballistic missile defence systems, advanced strike aircraft – can effectively neutralise Pakistan's nuclear strike force of missiles and aircraft. This would be shallow strategic thinking since Pakistan could ensure penetration of Indian defences through multiplication of its missiles and warheads.

Second, Indian plans may envisage, together with a Cold Start conventional attack, a pre-emptive strike against Pakistan's strategic delivery systems. This is likely to push Pakistan to maintain at least a part of its strategic capabilities in a state of readiness to respond to a pre-emptive counter-force strike.

The third, and most ominous, possibility is that India has come to believe that foreign powers will prevent Pakistan, by threats or military means, from escalating a conventional conflict to the nuclear level.

If India launches a Cold Start strike, the world community would first try to halt the conflict. India may count on making quick military gains and then accepting a ceasefire. But, the priority western goal would be to prevent Pakistan from resorting to its nuclear deterrent. If diplomatic demarches and threats do not work, even more drastic measures could be contemplated.

Numerous media stories have mentioned the existence of US plans to seize or neutralise Pakistan's nuclear weapons in the event of their threatened take over by Islamic radicals. These plans, if they exist, could be executed also in the context of an Indo-Pakistan conflict.

An article which appeared in the Foreign Affairs Quarterly (November-December 2009), "The Nukes We Need", is also worth noting. The two writers argue that "The United States will sooner or later find itself embroiled in conventional wars with nuclear-armed adversaries" and should have the "ability to launch precise, very low-casualty nuclear counter-force strikes." This would enable the US "to deter nuclear attacks" as well as have "retaliatory options." The writers point out that the US already has such low-yield nuclear weapons in its arsenal.

Despite the present counter-terrorism alliance with the US, Pakistan needs to factor in these scenarios into its deterrence posture and doctrine. As the Foreign Affairs article, cited above, asserts: "If not backed by the capability and credibility to execute threats, deterrence is merely a dangerous bluff."

To preserve the credibility of their nuclear deterrent capabilities, the major nuclear powers adopt some or all of three options: first, keep at least part of their nuclear-strategic weapons systems in a state of "high alert"; second, deploy a sufficient number of nuclear-armed missiles in hardened silos, deep underground, at secret and dispersed locations; and third, possess nuclear powered submarines as a credible second-strike nuclear force.

These objectives deserve the highest priority in Pakistan's response to India's new military doctrine. Pakistan's response should also be accompanied by robust diplomatic action. This should include:

* A dialogue with China to coordinate an effective response to India's new doctrine and capabilities at the diplomatic, strategic and tactical level.

* Press India's weapons' suppliers to refrain from providing it with the capabilities to execute its "adventurist" strategy; and

* Activating efforts to promote a South Asia restraint regime that provides for nuclear restraint, conventional balance and resolution of conflicts, especially Kashmir.

A clear and visible response by Pakistan is essential to convince India, and the international community, that Pakistan is determined to defend its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity and that "cold start" could end in a hot finish.



The writer is a former Pakistani ambassador to the United Nations.
 
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The writer is a former Pakistani ambassador to the United Nations.

The above line pretty much indicated what the content of the article would be like. Next time I will remember to scroll down and see the author's credentials before I begin reading it. Will save me a lot of time and the effort to reply back.
 
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During US Defence Secretary Gates' recent visit, we have again heard the refrain of our Western friends that terrorism and the Taliban, not India, pose an 'existential' threat to Pakistan.

It is between Pakistan and USA though the topic is Indian threat.

But India's own actions and pronouncements belie these Western assertions. For the past year, India has refused to resume "composite dialogue" and has regularly threatened military action against Pakistan in the event of another Mumbai-like incident. And, while protesting loudly about pro-Kashmiri militant groups like the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, India has been busy fomenting dissension and insurgency in Balochistan, FATA and other parts of Pakistan.

There is no evidences of Indian hand in all mentioned region. Unnecessary crying. :disagree:

It was hardly helpful that Secretary Gates virtually endorsed India's belligerence when he told reporters in New Delhi that "it's not unreasonable to assume India's patience would be limited were there to be further (Mumbai-type) attacks." It would have been better if India was told that it is its posture which risks an Indo-Pakistan conflict and that anti-Indian violence will end once New Delhi halts its suppression of the Kashmiri people.

Bold part says it all. BTW, same Kashmiri freedom-fighter were plainning Mumbai attacks which is far far away from JnK.

Any lingering doubt about India's hostile intentions and policies towards Pakistan should have been set to rest by the new military doctrine outlined recently by the Indian army chief. General Kapoor identified five thrust areas for the Indian military build-up: the ability to fight a two-front war against Pakistan and China; optimise capacity to counter asymmetric and sub-conventional threats; enhance capabilities for strategic reach and "out-of-area operations from the Persian Gulf to the Malacca Straits; acquire strategic (intercontinental) and space-based capabilities and ballistic missile defenses, and ensure a technical edge over adversaries (that is, Pakistan and China).

The author was a senior diplomat. I expected better him him at least.
The all military doctorine is done a periodic basis and discussed in detail here as well. The multiple front war is of defensive nature.

The new doctrine reflects India's great power aspirations. But, the greatest danger for Pakistan emanates from the concept of the so-called 'Cold Start' strategy, propounded by General Kapoor, to mobilise and strike fast (within 96 hours) at Pakistan "under a WMD overhang". At its meeting on January 13, 2010, Pakistan's National Command Authority "took serious note of recent Indian statements about its capability to conduct conventional military strikes under a nuclear umbrella" describing this as "oblivious to the dangerous implications of adventurism in a nuclearised context."This is, of course, not the first time India has contemplated a limited war or a conventional attack against Pakistan after South Asia was nuclearised. Indian leaders and military officers have often threatened 'hot pursuit' and 'lightning strikes' against training camps across the LoC in Kashmir. But they could not ignore Pakistan's stance that no war between India and Pakistan could be conceived as a limited war. In 1987, and again in 2002, India contemplated a full-scale attack against Pakistan. On both occasions, India discovered that it did not have the capacity to overcome Pakistan's conventional defences.

India does not have conventional superiority with respect to Pakistan! No need to say anything.

Following the post-Mumbai situation and the emergence of India's Cold Start strategy, Pakistan's armed forces have undertaken extensive war games to counter this threat. If the Indians have watched these closely, they should be clear in their minds that the danger of conventional adventurism escalating to the nuclear level cannot be ruled out. This was the general conclusion in 2002 -- confirmed among others by Pentagon war games. The Indo-Pakistan "composite dialogue" was restarted in 2003 on the basis of the mutual recognition that a military conflict between the two nuclear-armed countries was too dangerous to contemplate.

Needless chest thumping. If someone believe India was backed because we did not have "guts" to strike, they are folling themselves. :what:

A clear and visible response by Pakistan is essential to convince India, and the international community, that Pakistan is determined to defend its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity and that "cold start" could end in a hot finish.

I find some sense in this part only. I am not saying convincing means being on lower level. It mean both need to understand what is happening.
 
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India does not have conventional superiority with respect to Pakistan! No need to say anything.

There is no doubt conventional superiority rest with India but read again he said 'capacity' don't twist his words

just having superiority does not means India will gain its objectives

The multiple front war is of defensive nature.

Defensive on Chinese Side & offensive towards Pakistan with some really Lunatic comments & over estimation of Indian capabilities

Shimla-based Indian Army Training Command, headed by Lt-General A S Lamba is getting ready for something Indian Military never was ready before. Indian Air Force, Navy, and Army is ready to face Pakistan and China at the same time.

India’s 1.13-million strong Military is now panning to handle two major war fronts at the same time. India considers Pakistan and China as part of the same camp. India knows the next war will be between India and “Pakistan +China.” India will get indirect support from America and Russia, but Indian Military will have to fight the two war at the same time.

Indian Military has been training for the mini giant war against two nuclear powered nations at the same time. China has used Pakistan for a long time to keep India busy. Now time has come for India to recognize a massive threat from China and Pakistan at the same time. Indian Army chief General Deepak Kapoor emphasizes that India is ready for a “the successful firming-up of the cold start strategy (to be able to go to war promptly) in the multiple fronts against multiple different militias at the same time.”

The plan is a full thrust assault into multiple anomies at the same time with massive Air Force superiority. If attacked by Pakistan and china at the same time, India will launch self-contained and highly-mobile `battle groups'', with Russian-origin T-90S tanks and upgraded T-72 M1 tanks at their core, adequately backed by far superior air cover and artillery fire assaults, for rapid thrusts into enemy territory within 96 hours.

India plans to end the war decisively within the first 96 hours forcing the other sides into a fast submission of ceasefire.People’s Liberation Army is aware of the capacities of Indian Army and Air Force. It will be exactly opposite of 1962 war. That is why they are busy building massive infrastructure in the Indian border areas especially in Aksai Chin and Tibet.

he real war in that scenario will be between India and China while Pakistan will be used by China to create adequate disturbance for Indian Military.That is the reason why Lt-General A S Lamba of Indian Army is so keen a massive thrust into Rawalpindi to quiet Pakistanis within 48 hours of the start of assault.

India’s biggest advantage is the its software capabilities in integrating signal intelligence with ground intelligence. India will use algorithmic seek and scan technology to counter the Chinese threats in the North and possible Pakistani nuclear threat in the West.India is focused on integrating its Navy, Army and Air Force into an integrated command and Control system completely controlled and dominated by the superior software algorithms that can prove deadly in the war front.

India Daily
 
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^^^

Ok....India has the conventional superiority but does lack capacity. :hitwall:

As the Gen. Kapoor' statement is concerned he talked about mutiple front war....if attacked therefore it is of defensive nature.

Cold start was formulated in 2004 to gain initial advantage through quick offense. This "multiple front war" is proposed in 2009. They are not exactly same.

Cold war is purely Pakistani centric whereas multiple war front is suggested considering China.

Also, may we have the link for the above article?
 
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Just don't understand the fuss ?

The should not be any ' composite dialogue ' till the reasons why it was stopped are not met. Starting it now would imply that either India was wrong then or now. What has changed since Mumbai that the dialogue should start ?In any case the dialogue was on when Mumbai happened just like Lahore was on when Kargil happened.

Pk seems to follow the ploy Indian Politicians follow - ignore a problem till either people forget it or a bigger one comes up - dwarfing the earlier one.

.. and what is wrong if the Indian COAS prepares for the next war or the worst case scenario ? He is simply doing what he is paid for.

If per chance, this is taken as drums of war - so be it.
 
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In 1987, and again in 2002, India contemplated a full-scale attack against Pakistan. On both occasions, India discovered that it did not have the capacity to overcome Pakistan's conventional defences.

I have heard the same lame refrain by so many Pakistanis before this one that its been relegated to the "Kashmir le kar rahenge" hot air league in my mind's Pakistan pigeon hole sort-list.

The fact of the matter is simple ..... every time the Indian war machinery escalates and does not strike, it leaves in its wake many wet undergarments in the pakistani military establishment.

Its not a nice feeling to be looking down the barrel of a cocked gun, wondering with each click of the trigger whether this time around the chamber is empty .... or not.

Sawaal yeh nahin ki pakistan ka number ayega ki nahin ..... par yeh ki number kab ayega ..... aur kahan se ayega.

Cheers, Doc
 
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I don't want to ruin the party but just some questions

There have been at least three military build ups between India and Pakistan in the last 12 years and every time the emotions were high in both parts then why there was no war? Why India went back every time? Is there any thing lacking on their part?


Thanks
 
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I have heard the same lame refrain by so many Pakistanis before this one that its been relegated to the "Kashmir le kar rahenge" hot air league in my mind's Pakistan pigeon hole sort-list.

The fact of the matter is simple ..... every time the Indian war machinery escalates and does not strike, it leaves in its wake many wet undergarments in the pakistani military establishment.

Its not a nice feeling to be looking down the barrel of a cocked gun, wondering with each click of the trigger whether this time around the chamber is empty .... or not.

Sawaal yeh nahin ki pakistan ka number ayega ki nahin ..... par yeh ki number kab ayega ..... aur kahan se ayega.

Cheers, Doc
The case in matter is when the time comes to strike, the "Dhoti" becomes undone and all that remains visible is the bit where Sun don't shine. We are well focused looking down the barrel to pay you our regards right between the eyes and rest assured the chamber is never empty. Sawaal ka jawab yeh hey, Jo ***** Bounkta hey, woh kattha nahin hey. You just step on it's tail and it starts barking cold start, surgical strikes, hot pursuits etc etc. Mian Filmen dhekho aur Ram Ram karo.
 
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The case in matter is when the time comes to strike, the "Dhoti" becomes undone and all that remains visible is the bit where Sun don't shine. We are well focused looking down the barrel to pay you our regards right between the eyes and rest assured the chamber is never empty. Sawaal ka jawab yeh hey, Jo ***** Bounkta hey, woh kattha nahin hey. You just step on it's tail and it starts barking cold start, surgical strikes, hot pursuits etc etc. Mian Filmen dhekho aur Ram Ram karo.

1971 War & Kargil War


RAM RAM
 
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Since then, u lost courage? 1971 was nothing more than a cheap shot. Go and read history once again for a better understanding. In Kargil, 500 fighters busted the Indian military wide open and the whole world laughed ! So only threats in 2001 and in 2009. Hollow words nothing more. ALAS
 
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Meeting India's military challenge

* Press India's weapons' suppliers to refrain from providing it with the capabilities to execute its "adventurist" strategy; and

The writer is a former Pakistani ambassador to the United Nations.

Thanks Sir, very well phrased Pakistani article.

As i mentioned Pakistani article so it clearly explains Pakistani view, Also it is one of the very rare article to read where author has avoided unnecessary India bashing and flame baits.

Anyhow I would like to request you or any member here if can discuss the opening statement and above quoted lines which seems an impractical recommendation to me.

First of all if US is suggesting there is no threat from India then it means India is in the pocket of USA. How the hell on earth US can speak on the behalf of India and underestimate specifically when ever he has to go for an offence against Pakistan. Something here needs an attention to this repeated US assertion about India.

We have a record to disregard US many times in past when our national interests were demanding the same. What has happened now is a great shift in India way of geopolitics. It may also affirms that Pakistan is now somewhat relegated to the sidelines as India may not race with Pakistan on US's guarantee.

To understand what Pakistan will do to make sure suppliers shall become reluctant to assist India with cutting edge technology is a job of person with IQ more than 170. India is paying white liquid cash to purchase these weapons how one be able to stop those suppliers is out of question.

One can understand what Pakistan has achieved so far with its friendship with China and we can see how proactive is Pakistan to create atmosphere full of suspicion about India amongst surrounding nations and subcontinent. We have been paying the price for our animosity with Pakistan where he is not even supporting India on issues like racism. There is patron where one can see Pakistan has opposed anything which somehow is a bliss for India(same can be said about India).
Whatever the case may be India has learnt and is up to make Pakistan and his objective ineffectual as far as his friendship with china is concerned by investing hard earn money in technology to counter overwhelming force on force equation.
To counter very evident Pakistani pro activity in surrounding countries (even recent) to score more diplomatic advantage India may seems passive but we suppose and bet on other's political wisdom that no one will invite animosity with more powerful India even at the cost of Pakistan. China may be an exception but we know why he is an exception and we do consider that is as our home work to do which will keep us going on.
Regards
 
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The case in matter is when the time comes to strike, the "Dhoti" becomes undone and all that remains visible is the bit where Sun don't shine. We are well focused looking down the barrel to pay you our regards right between the eyes and rest assured the chamber is never empty. Sawaal ka jawab yeh hey, Jo ***** Bounkta hey, woh kattha nahin hey. You just step on it's tail and it starts barking cold start, surgical strikes, hot pursuits etc etc. Mian Filmen dhekho aur Ram Ram karo.

religious connotations of hatred are clearly visible here. Brother, I request you - religion is an extremely personal matter, please let it remain personal. there are other ways of replying strongly against a flame post. hope you will understand.
 
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