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Mechanised Divisions Pakistan Army

To date, in all previous wars, PA armored divisions have fought largely as single divisions. They have never to date managed a serious maneuver warfare strategy.

The current strategy goes something like this:
1. A railway based backbone going north to south.
2. A ditch like a great wall of china running north to south
3. Aim has been to fight India on Pakistani ground in the desert between Punjab and impassable Sindh.
This has been the "strategy" since 1970s I believe.

PA is woefully ill-prepared for any kind of meaningful maneuver warfare but the Indians are equally as bad, so neither side will majorly embarrass the other.

Pak because of the above strategy can be ready for war within 24 hours, much faster than India. Cold Start is an attempt to improve this reaction time but I don't know how effective Cold Start will be in real life.

Maneuver warfare is an industrial scale war. Unfortunately, neither India nor Pakistan has a culture of understanding industrial scale military operations. They buy military equipment from abroad like people buy clothes for marrying their girls.

They have yet to appreciate the importance of local large scale production capabilities. Some semi-retired fat chap will use organizations like KSEW or HIT thinking these are some kind of personal fiefdoms. But because this kind of capacity and way of thinking was never developed, such industrial capacities will remain unbuilt, unused and ineffective.

Certain "favored" divisions will be given the job in a future war to attack the enemy while others will play a supporting role / defensive role. That is the extent of strategy one can expect from the PA, if past performance is anything to go by.

To understand the multi-division, massive, choreographed military maneuvers, done with thousands of tanks, and many more personnel, in coordination with effective artillery, and other arms. This has never truly happened in the Indian subcontinent.

We have had some basic, raw, tank battles, that happened. But these were barely planned effectively and didn't have much meaning in the overall scheme of things. They happened along very predictable lines and without meaningful combined arms, surprise, or even any original maneuver.
I suggest you chalk up on what zarb e momin, largest military exercise in South Asia to date, was
 
I disagree, bcoz publicly ly-80 is the best sam of Pa that wont be effective against long range stand off weapons, alcms, srbm and brahmos as well.
What makes you think that PA armor will just all of a sudden go into India without any planning? Any attack would be fully coordinated with PAF.
 
PAF has very rarely coordinated with PA on anything real. In a real war, I very seriously doubt PAF would help PA. They would be fighting IAF and focusing all their resources on that.

This is why I never took the Azm-e-Nau series of exercises seriously. It's all just a lot of paperwork but not real or realistic. IMHO.

The only way around this is to have CAS aircraft integral to the Pakistan Army Aviation.
 
PAF has very rarely coordinated with PA on anything real. In a real war, I very seriously doubt PAF would help PA. They would be fighting IAF and focusing all their resources on that.

This is why I never took the Azm-e-Nau series of exercises seriously. It's all just a lot of paperwork but not real or realistic. IMHO.

The only way around this is to have CAS aircraft integral to the Pakistan Army Aviation.

Hi,

You are correct---. The 350 # that the Paf had given was just for its air defences---fighter and strike---.

Support of ground forces & naval forces need their seperate dedicated air force---.
 
Hi,

You are correct---. The 350 # that the Paf had given was just for its air defences---fighter and strike---.

Support of ground forces & naval forces need their seperate dedicated air force---.

I once made a proposal in PTI (around 2012) that if PTI came to power, among other structural and organizational changes, we would give PAA (Pakistan Army Aviation) fixed wing assets. However, once PTI came to power there is a tacit agreement that PTI will not put its nose in the Pak military's business thus this proposal could not go forward.
 
if you look at the Mechanised divisions of Pakistan army the % is very low

we don't really have a need for fast movement of heavy armour but still it would be nice to increase our mechanised forces

we also need to be able to lift by helicopter heavy Howitzers to high altitudes but we never really managed that either

supplying 155mm shells is also a big issue, btw POF makes 155mm shells and that is a huge shell a single shell can level a large building totally devastating round
 
Looks like a new Mechanized Division is being raised at Pano Aqil, recent deployments & postings indicate significant progress.

FYI
@Inception-06 @Signalian @HRK

Friend, I have been warning for some time!
"Last time they bought new M109....They formed new Mechanized Divisions"
My question was also "Were are the new Al-Khalid-I going to?"
Thanks
 

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