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Massive Economic Warfare Against Russia at highest level

In 2008, after the Russo-Georgian war, the US used the oil-dollar advantage to deliberately devaluate the oil price, which caused a lot harm to Russia's economy.

But now it is not 2008 anymore, with China got its back, the US cannot repeat this again.
 
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I agree
Russia should wait and practise the same against the to-be-elected pro west Government
An eye for an eye approach!

Oh wait, that approach will still be useful in Eastern Ukraine!

Too late in my opinion, diplomatically Russia will be on defensive from now.
 
China and Russia must break the US monopoly on Power, whether Russia should or shouldn't be in Ukraine at this point isn't even relevant.

How can the US be allowed to sanction a world power as Russia. This is a slippery slope, this is allowing the US to control what's right and wrong. Whatever the US says is right, whatever they say is wrong is wrong.

Why didn't they mention the Crimea support for Russia, at least when Russia goes in the people actually welcomes it, unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, the cheering crowds, are American forces in these countries still because they are still searching for these crowds?
 
Too late in my opinion, diplomatically Russia will be on defensive from now.

Never say never for the Russians
There is a score to be settled
A pro west Ukraine is a thorn in Russians eyes
A fully priced gas supply will suck out the vitality of the Ukrainian economy
If the people cant get enough heating for the winter or for cooking, what will they do? This is step no. 1
You can tell the rest which is a story to be repeated again and again in Ukraine
It is sad but true
 
You are right. The declaration that he will intervene was too early. The troops without insignia was enough at the moment.


What did you expect ? The guy is a fucking kook. Just look at him.

Yes sure, but thats sneaky behaviour and not the russian way....

So why did the russians wear insignias on their uniforms and travel in unmarked trucks ?
 
There are no friends in international relationships. China will use every possibility to grow. They are also mind twisted capitalists.

But a Russia with a collapsed economy does not fulfill China's interest.

If Europe refuses to buy any of your oil and gas, then China will take it at the same price.
 
Oil embargo...



U.S. To Become World's Largest Oil Producer, Overtaking Russia
Reuters | Posted: 10/11/2013 6:02 am EDT | Updated: 10/11/2013 9:16 am EDT


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By Dmitry Zhdannikov

LONDON, Oct 11 (Reuters) - The United States will become the world's largest oil producer next year - overtaking Russia - thanks to its shale oil boom which has transformed the global energy landscape, the West's energy watchdog said on Friday.

The prediction comes only days after estimates by the U.S. government showed the United States, the world's largest oil consumer, has ceded its ranking as top global oil importer to China, thanks to the shale revolution cutting import needs.

"The United States' place in the driver's seat of growth is also a throwback to decades past," the International Energy Agency said in its monthly report.

The U.S. resurgence as an oil producer is already reshuffling the cards in the game of world energy diplomacy, playing it a new hand in relations with long-term ally and top OPEC producer Saudi Arabia.

Major producers such as Russia are now forced to invest billions of dollars into new pipelines towards Asia as they can no longer rely on demand from the West, and have to deal with increasingly assertive Beijing.

"With output of more than 10 million barrels per day for the last two quarters, its highest in decades, the nation is set to become the largest nonOPEC liquids producer by the second quarter of 2014, overtaking Russia. And that's not even counting biofuels and refinery gains," the IEA said.

The agency, the Paris-based energy arm of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) estimated that U.S. liquids production will average 11 million bpd in 2014 versus 10.86 million in Russia.

The spike in U.S. production will allow total nonOPEC supply to grow by an average of 1.7 million barrels per day in 2014, peaking at 1.9 million in the second quarter, the highest annual growth since the 1970s, the IEA said.

That robust growth will compensate for disruptions to Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries' production and provides a cushion for oil prices, which otherwise could have spiked much higher than the current $110 a barrel.

OPEC crude supplies slipped to below 30 million bpd for the first time in almost two years, led by steep drops in Libyan and Iraqi exports due to unrest and terminal repairs, and despite Saudi Arabian output topping 10 million bpd for a third month running.

The IEA said that growth in non-OPEC production was so strong that it further reduced its estimates for demand for OPEC crude next year by an average of 100,000 bpd to 29 million bpd - effectively 1 million bpd below current pumping levels.


EUROPEAN SURPRISE

The IEA left its global oil demand growth forecast for 2014 broadly unchanged at 1.1 million bpd, an increase of 1.2 percent, saying the macroeconomic backdrop was improving.

"European demand data have surprised on the upside recently amid reports that the euro zone's recession ended in the second quarter of 2013 and signs of improvement in business confidence," it said.

But it added that it saw significant downside risks due to the budget standoff in the United States and currency depreciation in many emerging market economies.

The IEA also said few observers expected sanctions on Iran's oil and finance sector to be eased anytime soon, despite a friendlier rhetoric from Tehran.

"Rather, most expect that turning the clock back on sanctions will be a drawnout process based on tangible diplomatic progress with regard to the issues at hand, which many still view as a remote prospect," it added.

The IEA estimated Iran's crude oil production had declined by 100,000 in September to 2.58 million bpd. Oil imports from Iran rebounded by 180,000 to 1.17 million thanks to higher purchases from China and India.

It said preliminary data indicated China lifted imports from Iran to a fourmonth high of 555,000 bpd, India increased them to 265,000 bpd, highest since January 2013, and Pakistan imported first oil from Iran since January 2011.
 
But a Russia with a collapsed economy does not fulfill China's interest.
If Europe refuses to buy any of your oil and gas, then China will take it at the same price.

I dont know if the mid east or usa can increase their gas production to cover the whole EU but I am of the impression that Russian's supply is not fully replaceable

If and only if China to remain as the sole buyer of Russian gas then we have a better bargaining power
But of course as a close strategic partner, we dont want Russian economy to fail
 
Everyone makes like russia and china are going to hold hands and get lovey-dovey. They HATE each other. Both will stab the other in the back. HAHAHAHA !!!
 
@boomslang, I know and was thinking to point to US shale oil/gas production but certain member got sentimental and I thought it's pointless to argue. But as pointed by shuttler you would also have to consider Europe and it's energy needs.
 
Everyone makes like russia and china are going to hold hands and get lovey-dovey. They HATE each other. Both will stab the other in the back. HAHAHAHA !!!

Of course, we are never to be milked like the stupid indian weaponry procurements

and right now if I can remember correctly the Russians are offering Ukraine 1/3 of the market price of gas selling to other parts of EU? Can the Americans or the Muslims do that?
 
But a Russia with a collapsed economy does not fulfill China's interest.

If Europe refuses to buy any of your oil and gas, then China will take it at the same price.

Neither would it be in China's interest to have a fully resurgent Russia, at least for the time being, who would want to lead eastern block instead of following China.

The best thing for China would be if both Russia and west bleed each other and weaken:) or at least keep each others hands full for a few years while China consolidates it's economic power further and it's establish it's hold on it's half of pacific.
 
@boomslang, I know and was thinking to point to US shale oil/gas production but certain member got sentimental and I thought it's pointless to argue. But as pointed by shuttler you would also have to consider Europe and it's energy needs.


Russia wouldn't cut Europe. Where are they going to make that sale up ? They need that money.
 
Neither would it be in China's interest to have a fully resurgent Russia, at least for the time being, who would want to lead eastern block instead of following China.

The best thing for China would be if both Russia and west bleed each other and weaken:)

We can face a full mighty USA in the 1990s with a much weaker economy and military, so to have a USSR 2.0 is not a problem for us right now.

Also, by the nature, we consider Russia is not as aggressive as the US.
 
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