Mass Conversion To Christianity: A Case Study Of Chuhra Community In Sialkot District (1880- 1930)

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

That's why Pakistanis & North Indians see Christians as low castes. Christianity is essentially a missionary religion in most of India. FYI, Syrian Christians, Goan, Mangalorean Konkani Christians are considered FC.

We don’t believe in Caste.

They tend to be on the lower economic ladder though as many of them are migrants from India. This is why they have dark skin color and foreign/Austronesian features like Indians.

Hindus and Sikhs regard them as lowly based on Caste. Although, honestly many look similar to them.

Muslims, although we detest pork and alcohol consumption of theirs, generally respect them and help them. There are many Islamic charity programs in Pakistan to uplift Christians.

 

[Chhatrapati]

That's not what I'm arguing about. You're shifting the topic to something else.

I'm specifically on point, you said Aryans are Indo-European and they created Hinduism. Why can't you back it up with facts from Hinduism?

 

[Hamza913]

I'm specifically on point, you said Aryans are Indo-European and they created Hinduism. Why can't you back it up with facts from Hinduism?

I did, and you rejected it as racism.

 

[Chhatrapati]

That's the main problem, you don't know a lot about this topic.

LOL! Picking on words now are you?

You don't know that Sansrkit is conclusively an Indo-European language, you don't know that Hinduism doesn't predate the Indo-European migrations, you don't know that Indo-European mythology is remarkably similar to Hindu mythology, etc.

Neither did you came forward to prove that Sanskrit is in fact not originated in this land. Was it spoken outside this subcontinent? Where is the evidence for that? Did Iranians actually speak Sanskrit? Bring the evidence for that.
Central Asians spoke Sanskrit? No evidence, nada. But as usual similar sounding words are the best bet. Are they any conclusive evidence? Nope.

Does Hinduism predates Indo-European migration? maybe, maybe not. Because the evidence is based on an oral tradition and nobody has figured out the exact age of Rig Veda, some archeologists say it is 2800 BC to 3000 BCE. None of your arguments are conclusive, but assumptions.

 

[Hamza913]

Neither did you came forward to prove that Sanskrit is in fact not originated in this land.

I did, but you rejected it as racism.

 

[Chhatrapati]

I did, and you rejected it as racism.

No, I didn't. I simply said there is no concept of that in Vedas. Because this whole Aryan thing is based on Rig Veda which mentions Aryan as Noble and that is interpreted as Indo-European. Which Vedas doesn't specifically say. But such a condition was drawn based on assumptions. Which is why you can't explain a Big hole in that argument, it is Kambojas and Yavanas.

I know and moderately speak/understand Sanskrit. You can quote me any texts, I'll translate it for you if you wanna know.

I did, but you rejected it as racism.

Back to square one. "I did, I said".... No evidence.

 

[Hamza913]

No, I didn't

Yes you did lol, do I need to remind you of quotes you made minutes ago?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Yes you did lol, do I need to remind you of quotes you made minutes ago?

Go ahead.

 

[Hamza913]

Go ahead.

Here it is

Usual white supremacy BS.

With such a mindset, I don't see how you expect me to take you seriously.

 

[Chhatrapati]

With such a mindset, I don't see how you expect me to take you seriously.

You failed to prove me otherwise. Even failed at simple questions on who are Kambjoas and Gandharis. Whom according to you are Indo-European but according to Vedas are not Aryans.


Failed to produce any counter claims or arguments and revolves around Indo-European and Aryan invasion postulated by the Brits in 18th century.

Rather you ignore facts just pick words out and say "You are wrong" one liners. LOL!

 

[Hamza913]

You failed to prove me otherwise.

No, I gave you evidence, and you dismissed it. You've made yourself very clear, you don't want to accept the Indo-European migrations because it makes you feel racially insecure.

 

[Chhatrapati]

No, I gave you evidence, and you dismissed it. You've made yourself very clear, you don't want to accept the Indo-European migrations because it makes you feel racially insecure.

Are Kambojas, Gandharis, or yavanas Aryans and Indo-European?

 

[Hamza913]

Are Kambojas, Gandharis, or yavanas Aryans and Indo-European?

First prove to me that you are willing to have a proper discussion by viewing the videos I sent you, and not dismiss them as just part of a white supremacist conspiracy.

 

[Chhatrapati]

First prove to me that you are willing to have a proper discussion by viewing the videos I sent you, and not dismiss them as just part of a white supremacist conspiracy.

LOL! Why evade this simple question? It is simply a yes or no question.

 

[M. Sarmad]

And there is the thing about northern tribal communities like Gonds.

But I don't see the point of this thread. ( @M. Sarmad ). We should be forward looking and not too much looking to the past.

An academic exercise meant to set readers think about how and why an already marginalised community became further alienated in Pakistan. Did you bother to read the OP and my subsequent posts?

My guess is
By this thread he wants to show there are some people inferior to him and he belongs to upper caste

Nah bro, I am not an Arab to believe that people belonging to other religions or communities are inferior. I, for one, believe that a patriotic Pakistani Christian is much better and superior to a Pakistani Muslim whose allegiance and loyalties lie outside Pakistan. Go figure