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This guy wanted to serve this country and look what we did to him :( i never got so emotional on incidents like this... before whenever i think that yes finally our country is moving forward an incident like this happens and than i realize that it's majority of jahils who actually rule this country we're too few and too weak to do anything :( it's them (religious nuts) who actually rules this country and can do anything to anyone without any fear of law whom even our politicians are afraid of... incidents like this are reminders they remind us of our auqat who wants to see a progressive Pakistan...
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That's so heart wrenching, I have drops of tears in my eyes though I am working in my office. It's not because that I am Hindu bla bla bla but because I am feeling for her ammi and Abbu. Don't have strength to communicate further. Will reply in evening.
 
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Very tragic incident. I always wonder after watching such videos from Pakistan that why we don't have people with some empathy to stop such cruel incident happening in front of them? How all this crowd of people become such ruthless and brutal to either watch such scenes or to take part in it instead of stopping it? Any logical answer?
Really? You think you have the courage to stand up to an enraged mob?
 
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Really? You think you have the courage to stand up to an enraged mob?
Yes I have courage and those who were watching silently and was recording this scene as if its some sort of entertainment for them outnumber those who were actually doing this crime of murder ..Its sad that they had no balls to stop this murder and injustice happening in front of their eyes
 
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All the ppl who were rejoicing in the thread bhensa are absent from this thread. Not even a single post of condemnation. Though I won't be taking their names but Pakistan faces danger from those folks more since we tend to blame Zia for every f**kups but fact of the matter is that young generation is born after him and is more violent and at the same time endorses murders even by remain silent.
 
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I'm understand that, and I myself often say things like 'Islam supports many Liberal views' when talking to non-Muslims, but I feel that labelling it 'Secular Islam' will add more confusion - after all, Secularism is a very specific term; it means the separation of religion from public affairs. If the Islam already promotes tolerance, why separate it from public affairs?

Surely our message should be that Islam is tolerant. 'Secularise Islam' sounds more like "Islam is intolerant, but we want to be tolerant, so we are going to separate Islam from our State"

That is counterproductive in my opinion.

Islam is a religion. Islamism (or Political Islam) is a modern political movement/ideology (inspired more by nineteenth/twentieth century European utopian political ideologies than Islamic Religion) that strives to drive legitimacy from Islam. Many Muslims (as well as Non Muslims) fail to distinguish between the two (i.e. Islamism and traditional Islamic Religion). Islamism (and not Islam) is opposed to secularism (and all other "isms"). Therefore, in my opinion, using such terminology to clear up this confusion is not counterproductive.


Also, the Founding Fathers of Pakistan not only used such terminology, they proudly declared their adherence to such philosophies/ideologies and "welcomed" those who followed them saying that their actions were perfectly justified.


Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, the man who developed the idea of Indian Muslim Nationalism (TNT)that ultimately led to the creation of Pakistan, in a lecture given by him before a large and very influential audience of Muslims in Lucknow, on 18th December, 1887, said :

" ..... Gentlemen, I am not a Conservative, I am a great Liberal.... "


Allama Muhammad Iqbal, the man behind the idea of Pakistan, said:

"We heartily welcome the liberal movement in modern Islam..."

and

"The claim of the present generation of Muslim liberals to re-interpret the foundational legal principles, in the light of their own experience and the altered conditions of modern life, is, in my opinion, perfectly justified."

(Mohammad Iqbal, The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam)


And Jinnah, the creator of Pakistan, fits quite closely the model of the classic liberal politician. He wanted a Liberal constitution for Pakistan (as recorded by Fatima Jinnah in "My Brother")





Similarly, another such term/philosophy used/espoused by our Founding Fathers was "Islamic Socialism"

In his Chittagong 1948 broadcast, the Governor General (i.e. Muhammad Ali Jinnah) espoused Islamic Socialism (Burke, 2007, pp.166).


Before him Allama Iqbal had said God plus Bolshevism is Islam.


Hasrat Mohani used the term Islamic Communism.


Liaquat Ali Khan
called Islamic Socialism the state policy of Pakistan (Symonds, 1976, pp.182).


Fatimah Jinnah with reference to her brother’s Chittagong speech advocated Islamic Socialism (Khan,1976, pp. 25, 26).

Dr. Muhammad Ali Siddiqui is witness that the Raja of Mahmudabad favored Islamic Socialism, in Katrak Hall, Karachi in 1967 (Siddiqui, 1998, pp.18)


Addressing workers in the Calcutta of 1943 , Jinnah said:

"Why am I turning my blood into water, for the rich, for the capitalist? No, for you, the poor people. There are so many places where one cannot get a square meal a day. Is that Pakistan? If that is Pakistan I would not want it."

Jinnah said :

"You are only voicing my sentiments and the sentiments of millions of Musalmans when you say that Pakistan should be based on sure foundations of social justice and Islamic socialism which emphasizes equality and brother-hood of man."
 
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I wish to stand up against this injustice.

But it will mean risking my life.

Why do I have to be born in such times....
 
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Editorial in the News today

The murder of Mashal Khan


The gruesome murder of Mashal Khan, a 23-year-old journalism student at the Abdul Wali Khan University in Mardan, is yet another example of how brutalised Pakistani society has become. Mashal and another student Abdullah were attacked on campus by a vigilante mob who accused them of blasphemy. Abdullah was able to escape – and is said to be in a critical condition – but Mashal was killed after being first thrown from the second floor, then brutally beaten and then shot by the mob. The university had apparently also issued an official circular the same day, naming – and suspending – Mashal and a few others for allegedly ‘blasphemous activities’. That Mashal was killed in a place of learning, where we should be developing open and caring minds, is not just tragic but frightening. The young man was an example of the best Pakistan has to offer. His social media postings show him as a progressive student who was deeply concerned about human rights and equality, and the intolerance in our society. It seems it is that fanatical intolerance which has now claimed his life. But, as painful as it is to say, it is not particularly surprising that this horrific act occurred. In the Pakistan of today, just an accusation of blasphemy – without any proof to back it up – can be tantamount to a death sentence. While the state has never carried out a death sentence for blasphemy, far too many have been killed by riled-up mobs who take the law into their own hands. And all too often, law-enforcement officials have turned a blind eye to the perpetrators – which is what happened in Mardan as well. So far 45 people have been arrested and cases registered against 20 but past history tells us that they will likely get off scot-free.

How have we stooped so low – though not for the first time – that we are ready to murder anyone just on the basis of rumours or hearsay? When all it takes is one misunderstanding for the illogic of the mob to prevail. Mashal, according to his grieving father, was a student and follower of Islam. But the atmosphere that has been created in the country is so toxic that few care about the truth. We have recently seen just how much space has been ceded to the intolerant. In this the political class, too, must share the blame. Immediate condemnations of Mashal’s murder were muted because politicians are usually too scared to forthrightly denounce such savagery. In recent weeks, politicians, judges and the media have instead gone the other way, raising the spectre of blasphemy inundating social media. By raising the prospect, all we are left with is a country full of suspicious mobs ready to lynch people. Mashal may have been killed by a riled-up vigilante mob but his death can be blamed on all those who continue to lead our society into an abyss of ignorance, violence and intolerance. Unfortunately, with the climate of fear and anger that has been created, Mashal may not be the last to pay with his life.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/198626-The-murder-of-Mashal-Khan




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Hang all those (Animals) students in Mardan street whose faces are clearly visible in the video.
 
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"Truly! To Allah we belong and truly, to Him we will return." innâ ilay-hi raji'oon"

Sick!!! Animal Behavior by these buffoons. Mashal, I am ashamed and so sorry, I hope and pray that you are in a better place now and may The Al Mighty give your parents the strength to get over this heinous act committed by devils worshipers.

THE MOST DISGUSTING ARE THE ONES WATCHING AND VIDEO TAPING INSTEAD OF HELPING, BUT I AM SURE THEY ALSO CONSIDER THEMSELVES MUSLIMS, WHATS MORE DISGUSTING IS THAT THESE ANIMALS WILL BE PRAISED BY GODS CURSE ON PAKISTAN

“Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.”
 
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I'm understand that, and I myself often say things like 'Islam supports many Liberal views' when talking to non-Muslims, but I feel that labelling it 'Secular Islam' will add more confusion - after all, Secularism is a very specific term; it means the separation of religion from public affairs. If the Islam already promotes tolerance, why separate it from public affairs?

Surely our message should be that Islam is tolerant. 'Secularise Islam' sounds more like "Islam is intolerant, but we want to be tolerant, so we are going to separate Islam from our State"

That is counterproductive in my opinion.
The simple point to note is that not everyone is and never will be equal religious in the society(specially in modern societies).So if we officially declare a religion on a state that means we are forcefully imposing it on everyone. And the religion will dictate our way of life.
 
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Islam is a religion. Islamism (or Political Islam) is a modern political movement/ideology (inspired more by nineteenth/twentieth century European utopian political ideologies than Islamic Religion) that strives to drive legitimacy from Islam. Many Muslims (as well as Non Muslims) fail to distinguish between the two (i.e. Islamism and traditional Islamic Religion). Islamism (and not Islam) is opposed to secularism (and all other "isms"). Therefore, in my opinion, using such terminology to clear up this confusion is not counterproductive.


Also, the Founding Fathers of Pakistan not only used such terminology, they proudly declared their adherence to such philosophies/ideologies and "welcomed" those who followed them saying that their actions were perfectly justified.


Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, the man who developed the idea of Indian Muslim Nationalism (TNT)that ultimately led to the creation of Pakistan, in a lecture given by him before a large and very influential audience of Muslims in Lucknow, on 18th December, 1887, said :

" ..... Gentlemen, I am not a Conservative, I am a great Liberal.... "


Allama Muhammad Iqbal, the man behind the idea of Pakistan, said:

"We heartily welcome the liberal movement in modern Islam..."

and

"The claim of the present generation of Muslim liberals to re-interpret the foundational legal principles, in the light of their own experience and the altered conditions of modern life, is, in my opinion, perfectly justified."

(Mohammad Iqbal, The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam)


And Jinnah, the creator of Pakistan, fits quite closely the model of the classic liberal politician. He wanted a Liberal constitution for Pakistan (as recorded by Fatima Jinnah in "My Brother")





Similarly, another such term/philosophy used/espoused by our Founding Fathers was "Islamic Socialism"

In his Chittagong 1948 broadcast, the Governor General (i.e. Muhammad Ali Jinnah) espoused Islamic Socialism (Burke, 2007, pp.166).


Before him Allama Iqbal had said God plus Bolshevism is Islam.


Hasrat Mohani used the term Islamic Communism.


Liaquat Ali Khan
called Islamic Socialism the state policy of Pakistan (Symonds, 1976, pp.182).


Fatimah Jinnah with reference to her brother’s Chittagong speech advocated Islamic Socialism (Khan,1976, pp. 25, 26).

Dr. Muhammad Ali Siddiqui is witness that the Raja of Mahmudabad favored Islamic Socialism, in Katrak Hall, Karachi in 1967 (Siddiqui, 1998, pp.18)


Addressing workers in the Calcutta of 1943 , Jinnah said:

"Why am I turning my blood into water, for the rich, for the capitalist? No, for you, the poor people. There are so many places where one cannot get a square meal a day. Is that Pakistan? If that is Pakistan I would not want it."

Jinnah said :

"You are only voicing my sentiments and the sentiments of millions of Musalmans when you say that Pakistan should be based on sure foundations of social justice and Islamic socialism which emphasizes equality and brother-hood of man."
Janaab, I am well aware of the Liberal tendencies of Islam and the idea of Islamic Socialism. I have been saying most of these things myself. I believe in Socialist economics myself, as that is much more compatible with Islam than the profit-driven exploitative madness that is Capitalism.
In fact, I was just arguing in favour of exactly what you have said, on another thread.

You are preaching to the choir, so to speak.

Please re-read my post. I didn't say that Islam is not Liberal or Progressive. It is. I said we do not need to say 'Secular' because secular means separating the religion from public affairs.

The word 'secular' has a very different definition from 'Liberal/Progressive', never mind 'socialist'.

"secularism
noun
the principle of separation of the state from religious institutions."

Now, if our religion is progressive, and advocates concepts of economic and social justice, we would want to include those concepts into our state and governance system, not separate them. I fully understand the idea of nondiscrimination between faiths, but you do not need to separate religion from public affairs to achieve that.

When we say 'secularise Islam', we imply that our religion is not progressive.
'Secularise Islam' sounds more like "Islam is intolerant, but we want to be tolerant, so we are going to separate Islam from our State"

Anyway, on a related note, do you know where I can find a decent online copy of Iqbal's Ilmul Iqtisaad? The one I found after a 5-minute google search is unreadable on tablets.

The simple point to note is that not everyone is and never will be equal religious in the society(specially in modern societies).So if we officially declare a religion on a state that means we are forcefully imposing it on everyone. And the religion will dictate our way of life.
But we have already established that Islam itself encourages equality and justice for everyone, including minorities. So if we were to actually apply Islamic principles, there would be no 'forceful imposing'.

Why shouldn't it dictate our way of life? As long as its not forced on anyone, which it shouldn't be as per the Quran:
"There shall be no compulsion in the religion." [Al Baqarah 2:256]
 
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Hi brother eagle. I will try to respond to your post.



I agree that what Bhensa group did was wrong. You cannot play with the jazbat of people. Even worse is the fact that with such a jingoistic population which is hurt on minor things it is putting their own lives in danger. This is extremely stupid knowing what happened to even high up people like Shahbaz Bhatti and Salman Taseer. When push comes to shove there will be no one to protect bhensa people. The conservatives baying for blood and the liberals too afraid to speak up.

However that being said brother there has to be a strategy revolving around the way our prophet would have reacted. By far we all have flaws and cannot (most of us cannot) imitate the Prophet but it is our responsibility to try to be like the prophet in each way possible.

Now lets note how the Prophet behaved. When a woman who abused him, Islam and Allah and threw rubbish on him one day did not throw rubbish on him while he was passing from her home and the prophet asked about her it was known she was sick and the prophet went and enquired about her health personally.

Now if this was the example of the prophet then how can we agree that the prophet would choose to kill someone over blasphemy until he displayed highly physical confrontation. So if the prophet forgave we should too. I know its not going to be easy and we are men unlike the prophet in many ways but we should follow his example. By far, by tolerating we send a better message of Islam and its true message of peace.

Another thing to note, insulting of Jesus and other christian aspects is very common in Canada and other countries. I have seen it. Anyway what I am saying we should not insult the prophet but if someone does the method of dealing with him isn't to kill him, its to win him over, that is the best way.



Brother if that majority does not get provoked so easily then a lot of the problems will cease to exist. Its the 21st century. We need to advance out of the hole we have dug ourselves into. Mob violence is never justified. There are laws for that. But even with laws in Pakistan there are lots of problems of lack of implementation and misuse as well as discriminatory laws. Muslims also insult christians and hindus. Yet there is no blasphemy case yet against a muslim for insulting hindus or christians or ahmedis or anyone else.

The law is a tool in the hands of jingoistic mullahs and terrorists. Yet we refuse to repeal it. Even though I have read 60% of the victims are muslims framed for blasphemy. Just like this case. If a law is being used to settle personal scores and is being utterly misused it is thrown away. Yet emotions are high in our country and based on that emotion it continues.



As I said, tolerating even the worst insult to Islam and treating an enemy even with love and respect is how you win them. Like the prophet won Abu Sufyan. This law has nothing Islamic in it. It is based on emotion and is a law introduced by mullahs when they had power under ZAB and Zia. It should go away in my eyes. Brother, I am not supporting blasphemy, God knows that i do not support any insult to Allah or Prophet but its a tool for mullahs who want to dictate how the country should be run. It should have been scrapped long ago.



Brother at most times we are all forced to follow the law of the land. But saying a wrong is a wrong is basic tenet of Islam. When a law is discriminatory, as I said where is the same law for hindus and christians if their religion is insulted, we have to at least say it is wrong, it is evil, it is oppressive.

In North Korea there is a law saying only a few haircuts can exist, there is ban on tv channels, only select approved people can drive. Should we also support these laws. Its a time of freedom. Insulting religion is not good, but what is the best way to deal with such? Killing is not the solution to everything. We have to have a change in mindset and need to start winning people over with love and respect rather than baying for blood every time we are hurt.


None is suppose to praise or support any killing like this. True that. Also, we have to look at both aspects as discussed previously somewhere else too that, both sides like religious extremist and people like bhensas are responsible for all the mess. The Law itself is not infected but the way it is implemented or even the way it
is being misused hence, as I said, this the responsibility of the State to rectify the issue, execute the Law with full force and there will be very less chance of such incident at all. As currently revealed by a contact that actually Attackers were of ANP side now everyone is aware that ANP is no religious party at all. I am sure the killing has nothing to do with Islam or "provoked due to blasphemy" thing, as a fact but it was more of some sort of creating political unrest and greater game of sabotaging the peace and ruling. All in all, if State would have shown it presence with strong implementation of Law, I am sure none would have dared to do as such but due to lack of interest by the Rulers and non implementation of Law, the mob justice becomes reality after provocation. I am not in favour of mob justice at all but stating the reasons that how such be-come the fashion for which, Government is responsible by not paying attention to provocative material/ lobby/groups etc, in time.
 
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None is suppose to praise or support any killing like this. True that. Also, we have to look at both aspects as discussed previously somewhere else too that, both sides like religious extremist and people like bhensas are responsible for all the mess. The Law itself is not infected but the way it is implemented or even the way it
is being misused hence, as I said, this the responsibility of the State to rectify the issue, execute the Law with full force and there will be very less chance of such incident at all. As currently revealed by a contact that actually Attackers were of ANP side now everyone is aware that ANP is no religious party at all. I am sure the killing has nothing to do with Islam or "provoked due to blasphemy" thing, as a fact but it was more of some sort of creating political unrest and greater game of sabotaging the peace and ruling. All in all, if State would have shown it presence with strong implementation of Law, I am sure none would have dared to do as such but due to lack of interest by the Rulers and non implementation of Law, the mob justice becomes reality after provocation. I am not in favour of mob justice at all but stating the reasons that how such be-come the fashion for which, Government is responsible by not paying attention to provocative material/ lobby/groups etc, in time.

Its political murder. Some days ago all three friends gave interview to khyber news about admin corruption, gang violence in university. In Wali Khan UNI from chaprasi to head master is from ANP. 1 is dead and two are in hospital, coincidence?
 
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Its political murder. Some days ago all three friends gave interview to khyber news about admin corruption, gang violence in university. In Wali Khan UNI from chaprasi to head master is from ANP. 1 is dead and two are in hospital, coincidence?

That is what I heard in this regard whereby, an A party did it for XYZ reasons yet taking advantage in the name of Blasphemy and divert attention from murder, deliberately fueled situation so that can go unnoticed.
 
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That is what I heard in this regard whereby, an A party did it for XYZ reasons yet taking advantage in the name of Blasphemy and divert attention from murder, deliberately fueled situation so that can go unnoticed.
13 people have been arrested of which almost all are said to be from the student cum political youth wing of the Most Secular political party Awami National Party.

there are reports that ANP people are trying to save of the accused and as per media prople they have succeeded in getting few names out of the list.
 
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