Many Turks seek Pakistani citizenship

[El Sidd]

You can't call me impatient or naive and then come up with nothing to back those claims up.
This feels like a very weird fortune telling session, where the said person comes up with nothing to back his claim except fancy words.
So I am unfair towards myself because i dislike certain people for who they actually are, and I give proper reasoning for that except shouting patriotism?
Everyone can give an opinion but opinion without proper reasoning is nothing more than a delusional joke.
What more can i do for "independent growth" more than studying Islam, and mind you Islam is what proves all these cultures to be barbaric and pathetic, not just the west.
Like I mentioned before, most Pakistanis have typical blaming mindset, they blame America, Britain or Israel for their own failures because God forbid! if Pakistanis ever admit how pathetic they are. And the reasons they put forward for this blame game are hilarious. You got no reason to hate the west except your own insecurities.
Also that last sentence of yours doesn't even make any sense.

Do not bring Islam into this and neither my post includes any religious content.

Materialistic approach is simple. Pakistan has abundant natural resources enough to sustain its growing population. With a capable effective armed forces, security is also not a long term problem but a mere hurdle at this moment in time.
With a consumer market and neighbored by two of the biggest manufacturer markets namely India and China, Pakistan sits pretty.

The only problem which is also short term is governance which is being dealt with at this moment in time. With that gone and implementation of laws made easier would ensure that as well.

Now Geo-politically we lack cohesion in our foreign policy. We are a nation of 220 million with 220 million different views on how to proceed. But instead of losing hope why do you not see the positives, all i see is everyone wants to appease us because they cannot displease us.

I will leave you with one statement in the end 'We are a blessed nation that even our waste is being auctioned to foreign hands'. I am just selling hope to you nothing else because it is my duty as a human being and not just a Pakistani. Hopelessness is infectious and that is why I keep a distance.

This is my statement on future of Pakistan based purely on materialistic lingual.

US? Just speak for yourself
I don't Afghan in here until they get rid of anti Pakistan policy and mindset . they prefer India over Pakistan so they should take asylum in India

Turkish brothers are welcome as long as they are not wanted by their own government for criminal charges as others turk member suggested

There are no preferential treatment on Human Rights based on race, religion or ethnicity.

Do you disagree?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

There are no preferential treatment on Human Rights based on race, religion or ethnicity.

Do you disagree?

Sorry Janab I don't believe in one sided love and affection. If someone hate my country then they should have no right to be in here no matter which race, religion or ethnic group . Simple . My problem with afghan is not their race but their anti Pakistan attitude, anti Pakistan policies and their involvement in terrorism within Pakistan and shaking hands with our enemy . I have many dearest friends who are Pakistani Pashtun and belong to same race/ethnic group

 

[Manama]

Do not bring Islam into this and neither my post includes any religious content.

Materialistic approach is simple. Pakistan has abundant natural resources enough to sustain its growing population. With a capable effective armed forces, security is also not a long term problem but a mere hurdle at this moment in time.
With a consumer market and neighbored by two of the biggest manufacturer markets namely India and China, Pakistan sits pretty.

The only problem which is also short term is governance which is being dealt with at this moment in time. With that gone and implementation of laws made easier would ensure that as well.

Now Geo-politically we lack cohesion in our foreign policy. We are a nation of 220 million with 220 million different views on how to proceed. But instead of losing hope why do you not see the positives, all i see is everyone wants to appease us because they cannot displease us.

I will leave you with one statement in the end 'We are a blessed nation that even our waste is being auctioned to foreign hands'. I am just selling hope to you nothing else because it is my duty as a human being and not just a Pakistani. Hopelessness is infectious and that is why I keep a distance.

This is my statement on future of Pakistan based purely on materialistic lingual.

But i thought we lived in islamic republic of Pakistan lmao
Pakistan has plenty of natural resources which are absolutely useless since Pakistan got no way or making use of those resources.
Army has to follow its Government and commands of the higher ups, considering our government yeaaaa there is not much this army can do to save this nation. Again the rest of this has nothing to do with the point of discussion or the comment you called me naive and impatient upon. I want an answer to that, not bunch of fancy words.
I apologize, but i don't live in a fantasy La la land, When negatives overpower the positives of this country and nation, focusing on the "positives" is nothing more than what I call "blind patriotism". And again Pakistan got nothing good about it when compared to other superpowers. Thats not hope thats ignorance.

And please that statement is a bad joke. Nobody cares about Pakistan as an actual nation like they care about India or some other country and the one at fault is Pakistan and Pakistan alone. We are a pretty failed and dumb nation if the only we have to export is waste lmao, we could be using that to make power here but then again this nation ain't going to level up from being pathetic.
You haven't addressed the original point, not before and not now. So let me make that point clear again. If Turkish people want nationalities and have clear background, give it to them and get the Afghani trash out of this country.
Also stop blaming Britain, America or Israel for our own dumb decisions, insecurities and failures. I don'y see how this makes me naive or impatient.


@Divergent1 sorry it wasn't letting me reply on pf for some reason, yes im a female.

 

[El Sidd]

Sorry Janab I don't believe in one sided love and affection. If someone hate my country then they should have no right to be in here no matter which race, religion or ethnic group . Simple . My problem with afghan is not their race but their anti Pakistan attitude, anti Pakistan policies and their involvement in terrorism within Pakistan and shaking hands with our enemy . I have many dearest friends who are Pakistani Pashtun and belong to same race/ethnic group

The thread is about Turks seeking residence in Pakistan.
Human rights are same for Afghan, Pakistan and Britain. There are no preferential treatment.

Afghanistan has been at war for forty years. The current Afghan government does not truly represent the Afghan state. I therefore do not value their rhetoric and will ask you to do the same.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

The thread is about Turks seeking residence in Pakistan.
Human rights are same for Afghan, Pakistan and Britain. There are no preferential treatment.

Afghanistan has been at war for forty years. The current Afghan government does not truly represent the Afghan state. I therefore do not value their rhetoric and will ask you to do the same.

Its not just their government but they are also anti Pakistan, racist and arrogant (most of them)
They think KPK belong to them, don't recognise border, burn Pakistani flags and consider themselves superior race by calling others black dal khor hindus even when these superior afghan collect rubbish from door to door so yes any person with self respect would not like those who hate your existence and identity and abuse you constantly .

and yes topic is about turks so get back to it and turks love Pakistan and we love them . Its mutual love and respect ..tali do hath se bujti ha

 

[El Sidd]

But i thought we lived in islamic republic of Pakistan lmao
Pakistan has plenty of natural resources which are absolutely useless since Pakistan got no way or making use of those resources.
Army has to follow its Government and commands of the higher ups, considering our government yeaaaa there is not much this army can do to save this nation. Again the rest of this has nothing to do with the point of discussion or the comment you called me naive and impatient upon. I want an answer to that, not bunch of fancy words.
I apologize, but i don't live in a fantasy La la land, When negatives overpower the positives of this country and nation, focusing on the "positives" is nothing more than what I call "blind patriotism". And again Pakistan got nothing good about it when compared to other superpowers. Thats not hope thats ignorance.

And please that statement is a bad joke. Nobody cares about Pakistan as an actual nation like they care about India or some other country and the one at fault is Pakistan and Pakistan alone. We are a pretty failed and dumb nation if the only we have to export is waste lmao, we could be using that to make power here but then again this nation ain't going to level up from being pathetic.
You haven't addressed the original point, not before and not now. So let me make that point clear again. If Turkish people want nationalities and have clear background, give it to them and get the Afghani trash out of this country.
Also stop blaming Britain, America or Israel for our own dumb decisions, insecurities and failures. I don'y see how this makes me naive or impatient.


@Divergent1 sorry it wasn't letting me reply on pf for some reason, yes im a female.

So we agree that the problem lies in governance and not the state. I am glad that we agree on the most critical part of the puzzle. Next time you go to the ballot make sure you make the right choice and hold accountable the person you voted for.

No where in my post did i mention Britain or America. Israel is officially not recognized by Pakistan but we have certain code of conduct with them which we both respect. I think so you are trying to stereotype me which is a very dangerous approach.

You are honoring me with the word patriot and I am just happy about it. Hands down a proper honor.

I called you and call you naive and impatient because of your hopelessness in your own self. Rome was not built in a day nor did it fall in a day.

 

[Manama]

The thread is about Turks seeking residence in Pakistan.
Human rights are same for Afghan, Pakistan and Britain. There are no preferential treatment.

Afghanistan has been at war for forty years. The current Afghan government does not truly represent the Afghan state. I therefore do not value their rhetoric and will ask you to do the same.

Nope, people wouldn't be saying the same if an Israeli wanted residence in Pakistan (which they wouldn't since Israel is one of the best countries on the planet). I don't care about Afghani Government which doesn't even have any control over the state. I'm talking about Afghani people, they hate us.
Afghani people are one the most hateful people when it comes to Pakistan and they support India in everything including terror attacks. Not only that but they are extremely racist and arrogant as they call themselves superior race. They don't follow the laws, they are barbaric and only know to eat and breed. Neither have they done anything for Pakistan nor have they done anything for Afghanistan. They are toxic. Because of them, we fear going out as proudpakistaniguy mentioned, they think they own KPK and thus are making KPK a dumpster.
Turkish people, however, are completely opposite and thus our arms are open for them.

 

[El Sidd]

Its not just their government but they are also anti Pakistan, racist and arrogant (most of them)
They think KPK belong to them, don't recognise border, burn Pakistani flags and consider themselves superior race by calling others black dal khor hindus even when these superior afghan collect rubbish from door to door so yes any person with self respect would not like those who hate your existence and identity and abuse you constantly .

and yes topic is about turks so get back to it and turks love Pakistan and we love them . Its mutual love and respect ..tali do hath se bujti ha

 

[Manama]

So we agree that the problem lies in governance and not the state. I am glad that we agree on the most critical part of the puzzle. Next time you go to the ballot make sure you make the right choice and hold accountable the person you voted for.

No where in my post did i mention Britain or America. Israel is officially not recognized by Pakistan but we have certain code of conduct with them which we both respect. I think so you are trying to stereotype me which is a very dangerous approach.

You are honoring me with the word patriot and I am just happy about it. Hands down a proper honor.

I called you and call you naive and impatient because of your hopelessness in your own self. Rome was not built in a day nor did it fall in a day.

Yes you did. You were the one calling me insecure because of western and British mindset saying that they destroyed my civilization and history. You don't even know what you wrote. smh!
I didn't vote for anyone since i'm not old enough so yea that doesn't apply to me at all. Israel not being recognized by Pakistan is part of the problem.

Blind patriotism isn't something to be proud of but rather to be ashamed of. Rome wasn't build in a day but when various other countries who got freedom before Pakistan and now Pakistan licks their feet says enough about our state.

And no problem isn't Pakistan's government alone, its the people as well.

@Divergent1 aw sorry its not letting me reply to you at all.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes you did. You were the one calling me insecure because of western and British mindset saying that they destroyed my civilization and history. You don't even know what you wrote. smh!
I didn't vote for anyone since i'm not old enough so yea that doesn't apply to me at all. Israel not being recognized by Pakistan is part of the problem.

Blind patriotism isn't something to be proud of but rather to be ashamed of. Rome wasn't build in a day but when various other countries who got freedom before Pakistan and now Pakistan licks their feet says enough about our state.

And no problem isn't Pakistan's government alone, its the people as well.

@Divergent1 aw sorry its not letting me reply to you at all.

I respect your honesty.

And I did call you insecure and I still stand by it. British not only destroyed ours for breakfast. They had brunch and dinner with the natives of Americas and Africa and Australia. Now all we do is learn the Britishized history of our pasts with evangelical fitting.

Now when they start doing archeological research in South India they would realize that Mahabharata actually was an actual event in history. By the time the Egyptians realize how old the pyramids actually are, they would be irrelevant.

If you are under 18 you should not be using this website according to my understanding of the Pakistani law.

Regarding Israel, it is a democratic policy. If there is enough public support to recognize Israel, the parliament would do that. No shortcuts since that only creates discord and discontent.

 

[Manama]

I respect your honesty.

And I did call you insecure and I still stand by it. British not only destroyed ours for breakfast. They had brunch and dinner with the natives of Americas and Africa and Australia. Now all we do is learn the Britishized history of our pasts with evangelical fitting.

Now when they start doing archeological research in South India they would realize that Mahabharata actually was an actual event in history. By the time the Egyptians realize how old the pyramids actually are, they would be irrelevant.

If you are under 18 you should not be using this website according to my understanding of the Pakistani law.

Regarding Israel, it is a democratic policy. If there is enough public support to recognize Israel, the parliament would do that. No shortcuts since that only creates discord and discontent.

But we lost the war though. We let them in though. Its not like they came in one day and started attacking, it was a step by step process and its history now. No need to antagonize them because of our weaknesses, accept the history and move on!
Almost entire Pakistan hates Israel because of Palestine without knowing anything about Israel or Palestine or acknowledging the fact that Palestine brought it upon themselves. Facts don't care about feelings, sad that we are letting our feelings prevent us from accepting a beautiful soverign state.

I don't see anywhere in law that prevents me from using this site if im under 18. Its a discussion forum, not a H+ discord server.

 

[El Sidd]

But we lost the war though. We let them in though. Its not like they came in one day and started attacking, it was a step by step process and its history now. No need to antagonize them because of our weaknesses, accept the history and move on!
Almost entire Pakistan hates Israel because of Palestine without knowing anything about Israel or Palestine or acknowledging the fact that Palestine brought it upon themselves. Facts don't care about feelings, sad that we are letting our feelings prevent us from accepting a beautiful soverign state.

I don't see anywhere in law that prevents me from using this site if im under 18. Its a discussion forum, not a H+ discord server.

Please read the cyber crime act before using this website in Pakistan.

I stated you the official state policy of Pakistan on Israel so this discussion is not need.

Yes we are moving on to a pace we feel comfortable with it if we need to hit a higher gear we will. It is our own choice.

I am still formulating how to recognize a win and a loss in warfare. You can help me better understand if you elaborate your claims how we lost the war?

 

[Manama]

Please read the cyber crime act before using this website in Pakistan.

I stated you the official state policy of Pakistan on Israel so this discussion is not need.

Yes we are moving on to a pace we feel comfortable with it if we need to hit a higher gear we will. It is our own choice.

I am still formulating how to recognize a win and a loss in warfare. You can help me better understand if you elaborate your claims how we lost the war?

war of independence. we fought against the brits and faced terrible defeat

and nah the bill says nothing about using the site being under 18

 

[El Sidd]

war of independence. we fought against the brits and faced terrible defeat

and nah the bill says nothing about using the site being under 18

Just make sure you have that copy and a good lawyer if this ever comes up in your life in Pakistan.

My last post of the night would be a thinker for you 'If we lost the war of independence, how come we are independent now'.

Goodnight.

 

[Manama]

Just make sure you have that copy and a good lawyer if this ever comes up in your life in Pakistan.

My last post of the night would be a thinker for you 'If we lost the war of independence, how come we are independent now'.

Goodnight.

do you seriously not know about the war of independence in 1857 in early brit rule?
ofcourse we are independent because they have enough of us and left. That has nothing to do with the actual physical war