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Much rides on defence minister Manohar Parrikar's visit to the United States this week. If all goes well, defence ties could move up a notch or two, which, in turn, could help India get closer to becoming a hub of defence production.


Large US defence companies are straining at the leash to sell more and invest more. But the US government has a veto on critical technology, a veto sustained by a battery of government lawyers who like the status quo. This must change.


Lockheed Martin and Boeing have offered production lines for the F-16s and F-18s to India. Boeing is also ready to set up assembly lines for either the Apache or the Chinook helicopters. Other companies trying to enter the market are busy hiring executives with India experience.


In short, there is a buzz that can work to India's advantage if policies and ideas are streamlined into a coherent whole and the last year of the Obama Administration in office is used intelligently. As this column has argued before, the last years of an outgoing administration can be more productive than the first years of an incoming one.


Why no Indian defence minister has come to Washington since 2008 while US defence secretaries have made six visits to India is a question to ponder. Yes, UPA was not interested in most things American in its second term after the initial burst of activity when it signed a defence framework agreement and concluded a nuclear deal. It set the stage with two historic moves but then abruptly suspended the play.


The Modi government has worked to revitalise the Indo-US relationship, reconvening working groups that hadn't met for years. Parrikar's visit should help put the defence partnership front and centre because he has a forward-looking counterpart in defence secretary Ashton Carter. Parrikar is accompanied by a Ficci-led delegation of Indian industry — the first-ever confluence in public. Big players (Tata, L&T, Reliance) and rising players (Dynamatic Technologies, Sun Group) will meet their gigantic counterparts, get a sense of the scaling up required and find partners. Or the much-celebrated Defence Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) will remain the jumble of words it is.


They are set to tour Huntington Ingalls Industries, America's largest military shipbuilder and the sole builder of US aircraft carriers. It also makes nuclear-powered submarines and India has a keen interest in all of the above.


In another first, Parrikar and Carter will visit the Norfolk Naval Station in Virginia, the world's largest naval base with 75 ships and 134 aircraft. The joint visit is crafted to symbolise the "joint-ness" of vision. Parrikar already visited the Pacific Command Headquarters in Hawaii on his way to Washington, first time an Indian defence minister made the trip.


But there are problems. Trust remains an issue, especially with respect to Pakistan. Washington's policy of "more toys-for-the-boys" and fervent hopes for behavioural change doesn't inspire confidence.
Biggest boy, Raheel Sharif, got star treatment last month with Vice President Joe Biden devoting more than two hours to talk about "peace" in Afghanistan.


This year the Obama Administration approved $952 million in sophisticated weapons for Pakistan's "counter-terrorism operations" apart from the eight F-16s.


Sharif will have "smart" bombs, Hellfire missiles, high frequency communication systems and Viper attack helicopters to keep (his own) jihadis at bay. Will he, won't he? is a game US optimists like to play.


Trust is also an issue on the business side. Indian officials retain sharp memories of US sanctions imposed after the1998 nuclear tests. So intense was the Clinton Administration's desire to punish, it ended up giving a fresh lease to kneejerk anti-Americanism in Delhi. The sanctions were lifted completely only in 2010. Fears the nightmare could return are real.


But staying still is not an option for India because it must modernise and choices are few. The Russian proverb — "doveryai, no proveryai" (trust but verify) — applies. It became Reagan's favourite phrase during arms control negotiations with Gorbachev, and can be a good adage here.


DTTI can be a real engine if the two sides find a meeting point, choose carefully and put a healthy dose of R&D to ensure the project has a future. It can't be yesterday's technology. India could take another look at the "foundational agreements" US wants it to sign to make technology sales easier.


Above all, continuity must be ensured even if India and the United States find themselves on opposite sides of the fence on some issues sometime in the future.

Manohar Parrikar's US visit could help India become a defence production hub - The Economic Times
 
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I like the idea of F-16 and F-18 Made in India initiative but it should not affects our procurement plans or indigenous military effort. This could be a honey trap for India, to stop its effort to attain independence in defense sector for its military requirement. @PARIKRAMA @nForce @Abingdonboy @MilSpec @Spectre Whats your thinking brother on this issue.
 
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I like the idea of F-16 and F-18 Made in India initiative but it should not affects our procurement plans or indigenous military effort. This could be a honey trap for India, to stop its effort to attain independence in defense sector for its military requirement. @PARIKRAMA @nForce @Abingdonboy @MilSpec @Spectre Whats your thinking brother on this issue.


F16s will mean killing LCA program sureshot as USA may set up a line with ability to produce more than a squadron or more like 18-24 birds a year type investment returns. Effectively the Mark1A order can be executed in 5 years flat produced in India itself post setup. If its direct imported then even in 3 years (of course ruled out as of now). Our own capability and resources cannot match Boeing/LM deep pockets and experience in mass industrialization and high productivity,

F18s advancement is a good program but a question to ask is will it be in our future ACCs. Also if say suppose its for our coastal bases under IN command, then whats the role of NLCAs (besides ACCs). Of course 18s may give us a 1000km range over say 60% of that range for NLCA (with tanks in both cases). Unless IN aerial wing becomes fighter heavy dependent F18 line will not make sense. I suppose IAF may not be so interested in 18s as they are more with Rafale for medium category (Similar to USAF not interested in 18s).

Unless, USA opens up a plethora of TOT transfer (unlikely as American MIC is highly capitalist minded and more profit seeking then Russians/French). Effectively the Kerry role with love for Pakistan and goodies gift implied its better we look for everything except direct combat jets from them. To me the gift of 8 F16s and rest of $900 Mn goodies for "fight against terror" kind of showed the double speaking play. So, I would advocate the F16s or 18s if USA allows us its one obsolete tech full TOT. GE 404 engine full TOT with hot weather and high altitude tech. But i know for sure the jargon they use is "assembling" in Chikan plant, Pune under Made In India.
 
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Usa is unreliable ally.
Lockheed Martin openly said that they would at max assemble planes from CKD kits nd paint them. They also want us to sign some agreement :sigmoa which ll jeopardize our national security
This nonsense about America helping India upgrade its defence technology must stop. Dalals simply want a new wave of license production.
American want a dependent india so that they can easily manipulate us.


Lately pk gets these high qty weapons such as he'll fire missiles with billion $ aid while india pays premium price to buy same
 
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F16s will mean killing LCA program sureshot as USA may set up a line with ability to produce more than a squadron or more like 18-24 birds a year type investment returns. Effectively the Mark1A order can be executed in 5 years flat produced in India itself post setup. If its direct imported then even in 3 years (of course ruled out as of now). Our own capability and resources cannot match Boeing/LM deep pockets and experience in mass industrialization and high productivity,

F18s advancement is a good program but a question to ask is will it be in our future ACCs. Also if say suppose its for our coastal bases under IN command, then whats the role of NLCAs (besides ACCs). Of course 18s may give us a 1000km range over say 60% of that range for NLCA (with tanks in both cases). Unless IN aerial wing becomes fighter heavy dependent F18 line will not make sense. I suppose IAF may not be so interested in 18s as they are more with Rafale for medium category (Similar to USAF not interested in 18s).

Unless, USA opens up a plethora of TOT transfer (unlikely as American MIC is highly capitalist minded and more profit seeking then Russians/French). Effectively the Kerry role with love for Pakistan and goodies gift implied its better we look for everything except direct combat jets from them. To me the gift of 8 F16s and rest of $900 Mn goodies for "fight against terror" kind of showed the double speaking play. So, I would advocate the F16s or 18s if USA allows us its one obsolete tech full TOT. GE 404 engine full TOT with hot weather and high altitude tech. But i know for sure the jargon they use is "assembling" in Chikan plant, Pune under Made In India.

It is likely that they would tie up GE 404 Engine ToT with a substantial multi billion dollar order for F-16s. Even with regards to Engine ToT they might keep back some critical tech in areas of advanced metallurgy.

I don't know what is the current status on Kaveri but I would wager we are yet to hit the home stretch and hence if we negotiate smartly and impose hefty penalty clauses ensuring that the tech really needed is transferred then perhaps we can have our cake and eat it too.

The point is we need the critical tech to become self sufficient which could come in handy when we go full steam on AMCA and we dont have too many options at the moment. We could aslo go the China way and reverse engineer but I doubt we have the technical fortitude to achieve results that way.
 
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Not going to happen with the extremely poor set of skills and pathetic infrastructure India has at present.
 
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