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Manish Tewari brings back 'controversial' 2012 Army troop movement : All you need to know Rea

Their are already 220000 troops in Delhi cantonment Just outside of New Delhi

Not to mention the fact that South Block, India's Equivalent of the Pentagon is right on top of Raisena Hill and Directly faces the North Block which is the Seat of Power for the Central Government
In fact the only other building on top of Raisena Hill is the Rashtrapati Bhavan or Presidential Palace
 
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Was off to work, spent about 8 months traveling for shooting and then the remaining time with my kids. Believe me, when you have twin kids, they keep you occupied all day all night. :D
Welcome back , weren't you trying to study for your IAS exams? or do i have you confused with someone else:)
 
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Welcome back , weren't you trying to study for your IAS exams? or do i have you confused with someone else:)

No I think you have confused me with someone else.

I work quite far away from anything related to bureaucracy and would like to keep it that way. :D

Well congratulations and welcome back.:pdf:
Lucky for you pdf hasn't changed much though some notable members have gone missing.;)

Hopefully things will change with more mature discussions here, and with time, any insecurities against each other will wilt away.
 
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No I think you have confused me with someone else.

I work quite far away from anything related to bureaucracy and would like to keep it that way. :D



Hopefully things will change with more mature discussions here, and with time, any insecurities against each other will wilt away.

Welcome Back !
 
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Congress has been anti-military since 1971 where Gen. Manekshaw got all the glory for the excellent management of the conflict. Indira was so insecure that she stripped the military of all prominence and reduced it to serving politicians.
You are wrong , Nehru did the same with General Karriappa , Sent him to Australia on Indian mission . Indria followed suite
 
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You are wrong , Nehru did the same with General Karriappa , Sent him to Australia on Indian mission . Indria followed suite

And what did that translate to? Please check the military legislations before and after the 1971 war. Today's generation may find it hard to believe the there was a military representation in the halls of the government.

Why do you think that we don't have a Joint Chief of Staff? Congress' insecurity. Why is it that military representation in parliament has been stalled and not even considered? Congress' insecurity. There was a clause where military could refuse civilian intervention in case of conflict.. what happened? Removed.

During Gen. Cariappa's time it was not the problem; it happened only after 1971.
 
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And what did that translate to? Please check the military legislations before and after the 1971 war. Today's generation may find it hard to believe the there was a military representation in the halls of the government.

Why do you think that we don't have a Joint Chief of Staff? Congress' insecurity. Why is it that military representation in parliament has been stalled and not even considered? Congress' insecurity. There was a clause where military could refuse civilian intervention in case of conflict.. what happened? Removed.

During Gen. Cariappa's time it was not the problem; it happened only after 1971.
No no Am just reflecting what exactly you said, the insecurity was there always but it was obviously seen by all after 1971. thanks to SAM. Yes Joint chiefs fiasco is because of the congress.
 
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I want to see it investigated too.. probably will end with Mr Singh being jailed..

OK, so why didn't the congress Buck sack him and ordered an investigation then? Were they waiting for Modi to do that?
 
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OK, so why didn't the congress Buck sack him and ordered an investigation then? Were they waiting for Modi to do that?
dont know most likely they had not investigated.. but its never too late. There is nothing wrong in next regime continuing what was left by last regime, has not Modi continued all the good schemes that last regime tried to implement?
this is not about party its about democracy. generals should be shown their right place... if we dont assert civilian supremacy one day IA might become PA.
 
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dont know most likely they had not investigated.. but its never too late. There is nothing wrong in next regime continuing what was left by last regime, has not Modi continued all the good schemes that last regime tried to implement?
this is not about party its about democracy. generals should be shown their right place... if we dont assert civilian supremacy one day IA might become PA.

If we start investigating former army chiefs on the basis of some newspaper reports, which did not make sense to many people to start with, was outrightly denied by both the govt and army, will surely give a moral boost to the army, Right?

And btw, what do you think will be the basis to start such a investigation? News paper reports?
 
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Congress leader Manish Tewari has once again revived the 2012 troop movement controversy after saying that a media report about two key army units moving towards Delhi without notifying the then UPA government was "unfortunate but true". This statement from Tewari, the then union minister under UPA government, has sent the Congress party into a damage control mode which has rubbished his statement and said he is not an official spokesperson of the party.

Even, the then Army chief VK Singh, who is a union minister in the incumbent Modi government has also dismissed the Congress leader's statement saying he has no work these days. Here is all that you need to know about 2012 troop movement: Indian Express reported Army movement on April 2, 2012: An Indian Express report on April 4, 2012, titled "The January night Raisina Hill was spooked: Two key Army units moved towards Delhi without notifying Govt." According to The Indian Express report, central intelligence agencies had reported that on the night of January 16, 2012, there was an unexpected - and non-notified - movement by a key military unit from the mechanised infantry based in Hisar as a part of the 33rd Armoured Division (which is a part of 1 Corps, a strike formation based in Mathura and commanded by Lt Gen. AK Singh) in the direction of the capital. On the same night, another unit - identified as a large element of the 50th Para Brigade based at Agra - had also been moved towards Delhi, according to the newspaper report. The alleged movement took place at a time when Singh was locked in a confrontation with the government in a row over his age. "Distrust" between the Army and government? The then DGMO Lt Gen AK Choudhary was, in 2014, quoted as saying, "There was misconception or there was perceptional difference or there may be distrust." Choudhary said after he was quoted in an interview, saying that the then Defence Secretary Shashi Kant Sharma had asked him to send the troops back as the government at the highest level was "worried" over this. The movement of the troops was a "normal" exercise, Choudhary said, and the government immediately "understood" the issue after he explained the matter to them. The then NSA rubbished reports: When asked about this, the then NSA Shivshankar Menon said there was no distrust between the Army and government. "I don't see there is distrust. How can I comment on something that I don't see. Because I am a civilian, I work very closely with the Army everyday. I don't see that," he said. Defence Minister had denied such reports: Defence Minister AK Antony Friday said the movement of two army units near Delhi in January 2012 was "a routine training programme". He denied there was any trust deficit between the government and the army in the wake of the age row concerning former army chief VK Singh. Congress distances itself from Manish Tewari's remarks: "Some troop movements are necessary, inbuilt and inevitable part of the defence mechanism. I'm again clarifying there is absolutely no truth in it," said Congress leader Abhishek Manu Singhvi. VK Singh snubs Tewari: "Manish Tewariji has nothing to do these days. There is this book of mine, ask him to read it and every thing will be clear to him," Singh told reporters.

:lol::lol::lol:l

All Drama. It was the Army exercise the movement of the army in case of emergency during the bad environment aka fog. At that time Gen V.K. Singh made it clear, that this was not the first time his kind of exercise was made. Now it was the congress and their theory that made the bush a daemon, that leaves them to decide whether they want to live with such or just raising this issue, because they lack the ISSUE to attack BJP. Indian Army is professional army, and they haven't tried any coup in his history, nor Indian democracy is so weak a army general tries to take over the power just like that.
 
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If we start investigating former army chiefs on the basis of some newspaper reports, which did not make sense to many people to start with, was outrightly denied by both the govt and army, will surely give a moral boost to the army, Right?

And btw, what do you think will be the basis to start such a investigation? News paper reports?
not on basis of newspaper report but based on assessment of intelligence agencies(IB), if there was an IB report the current govt knows about it too.
 
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