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NEW DELHI: The US today offered to produce fighter aircraft jointly with India to promote deeper military ties as it spoke about the Indian Air Force facing a "critical shortage" of front-line fighter jets.

Talking about the new developments in bilateral military ties, the American Ambassador here, Richard Verma, noted that India faces a critical shortage of front-line fighter aircraft for keeping India's air space safe.

"Defence cooperation can help to counter this challenge and I see no reason why the US and India can't produce fighter aircraft together," he said at the Observer Research Foundation here.

Countries like the UK, Germany, Sweden and France, too, are looking to join hands with India to manufacture fighter aircraft as the country faces a depletion of its air strength due to modernisation delays.

Referring to US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter's visit here in June, Verma said both countries had established a new aircraft carrier working group to support India's indigenous programme.

"I'm happy to report that the first meeting of that group took place this week in the US," he said.

Verma stressed that US has committed to deepening its maritime security relations with India and, in March and again in April, the leaders of the US and Indian navies met and discussed how to improve maritime domain awareness.

"Now, we are into the planning stage of our 2015 Malabar joint naval exercise. We want to continue this exercise to deepen our maritime security relationship with India," he said.

Referring to the recent "cross border terror attacks," Verma said the US condemns such acts in "the strongest possible terms" and stands with the people of India and all free people in fighting the curse of terrorism.

"There can be no place, no accommodation and no justification for violence on innocent people. As (US) President (Barack) Obama said during his visit to New Delhi, the US and India are united in this fight and the two countries will continue our focus for a better future," Verma said.

Verma said that the way India chooses to define its own world as a leading power can have a profound impact on their shared interests in defending and preserving assured access to shared spaces.

"As the (US) President articulated in his February, 2015, National Security strategy, shared spaces are the arteries of the world economy, a sure access is pre-requisite for the governments of the world to continue to provide their citizens with better standards of living," he said.

The top American diplomat here said he believes that as leading powers, cooperation between the US and India will lay the ground for the next breakthrough in bilateral ties.

"Let's start with the seas, free the sea for everyone; It has been a foundational argument for naval freedom. 90 per cent of the trade worldwide operates on the oceans.

"Our oil, fuels, imports and exports depend on the safe passage of cargo ... but, today, the safety and security of sea (commerce) faces a genuine threat from terrorists, natural environmental disruptions, mass migrations and organised criminal activities," he said.

Piracy on the high seas continues to create uncertainties, Verma said, adding that world powers have stood up and worked to address these concerns with the US and India often at the forefront of such efforts.

"We are both maritime powers, our navies engage in joint training and exercises as partners, our leaders have expressed an interest to work together in both the US-India joint statement and US-India defence agreement.

"We demonstrated it in the case of Somalia in 2009, but we can do more," he said.

Verma added that as natural disasters may also affect the maritime domain, India and the US, being leading powers, must be prepared to deal with such phenomena.

The US ambassador said that India has proven herself in this regard in 2004, when it immediately responded to the devastation caused by the tsunami, saving thousands of lives in south and south-east Asia.

"There are thousands of other examples of India's humanitarian disaster response capability," he said.
 
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This whole procurement debacle could have been avoided if you opted for the Super Bug - The American's are reliable supplier (assuming you don't anger them too much), they deliver on time and their systems are the some of the best around with great support programs and after-market care.

I get it, the EFT and Rafale are better than the Super Hornet, I agree, but what good is a better aircraft if you can't even solve the procurement problem?

Had you opted for this, you'd have had it years ago. Instead you'll be offering tenders, RFPs and trials for years more, and still not have anything to show for it.

:tsk:India's defense procurement policies actually make me a bit unwell, it's that bad.

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And if you like the Super Hornet, maybe you can get yourselves a Growler or two to go along with it:

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If you put your faith in the American's, they'll open up their defense industry even more and allow you things they'd have refused in the past.
 
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Boeing is going to close their F 18 E/F production line in US by 2017...They won't mind shifting that line to India ..
 
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American jets are good. Just make sure you don't piss them off, regardless of which country you buy from.

When America was angry with Russia... France cancelled the Mistral deal with Russia. That is what you call a long reach. :P
 
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This whole procurement debacle could have been avoided if you opted for the Super Bug - The American's are reliable supplier (assuming you don't anger them too much), they deliver on time and their systems are the some of the best around with great support programs and after-market care.

I get it, the EFT and Rafale are better than the Super Hornet, I agree, but what good is a better aircraft if you can't even solve the procurement problem?

Had you opted for this, you'd have had it years ago. Instead you'll be offering tenders, RFPs and trials for years more, and still not have anything to show for it.

:tsk:India's defense procurement policies actually make me a bit unwell, it's that bad.

28968.jpg


Four_Super_Hornets.jpg


And if you like the Super Hornet, maybe you can get yourselves a Growler or two to go along with it:

1024px-EA-18G_Growler_VX-9_from_below_2008.jpg


9574129954_eaf2fbb4ae_b.jpg


If you put your faith in the American's, they'll open up their defense industry even more and allow you things they'd have refused in the past.

Well .You are talking about the military cooperation with a nation that didnt have any problem to sends a CBG ,7th fleet against our Navy that was in a mission to stop a genoicide in EastPakistan /Bangladesh.
Then 34 years of sanction until 2008.

Honestly ,Our establishments would consider all that experience before going for a JV in our frontline fighters.
And this Make In India will force us to create an industry even though in a bitter way.
 
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We should have had bought additional mirages when we had the chance. :tsk:
 
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Well .You are talking about the military cooperation with a nation that didnt have any problem to sends a CBG ,7th fleet against our Navy that was in a mission to stop a genoicide in EastPakistan /Bangladesh.
Then 34 years of sanction until 2008.

Remind me of what nation wont sanction you or stop support your systems if you go against their interests? Maybe Russia, depending on where you get involved, but not too many others. It happens that the US is more easily bothered than say, France, the UK or Russia, but do you honestly believe that through all ills and tribulations that France would support your Rafales, even if you anger them? Of course they wont, and you'd be left on an island. It's an overblown concern, all nations will respond if their interests are threatened. The US just has more interests and presents a greater risk for India.

The Indian defense establishment sees the risk as diminishing, hence multiple deals with the US for S-70B, AH-64, C-17, P-8I and other US gear.

Would these deals have happened if India was concerned about sanctions or would they have opted for Russian or indigenous designs instead?

And if France, as @Chinese-Dragon noted , is susceptible to US pressure, as seen with the Mistral saga, would the Rafale be a bad investment for India too due to the susceptibility of France to be pressured by the US?

I've seen no indications that that would be true.
 
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Well .You are talking about the military cooperation with a nation that didnt have any problem to sends a CBG ,7th fleet against our Navy that was in a mission to stop a genoicide in EastPakistan /Bangladesh.
Then 34 years of sanction until 2008.

Honestly ,Our establishments would consider all that experience before going for a JV in our frontline fighters.
And this Make In India will force us to create an industry even though in a bitter way.


This is the most crucial and valid point you raised. Relation with Russia needs to be kept in mind too
 
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NEW DELHI: The US today offered to produce fighter aircraft jointly with India to promote deeper military ties as it spoke about the Indian Air Force facing a "critical shortage" of front-line fighter jets.

Talking about the new developments in bilateral military ties, the American Ambassador here, Richard Verma, noted that India faces a critical shortage of front-line fighter aircraft for keeping India's air space safe.

"Defence cooperation can help to counter this challenge and I see no reason why the US and India can't produce fighter aircraft together," he said at the Observer Research Foundation here.

Countries like the UK, Germany, Sweden and France, too, are looking to join hands with India to manufacture fighter aircraft as the country faces a depletion of its air strength due to modernisation delays.

Referring to US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter's visit here in June, Verma said both countries had established a new aircraft carrier working group to support India's indigenous programme.

"I'm happy to report that the first meeting of that group took place this week in the US," he said.

Verma stressed that US has committed to deepening its maritime security relations with India and, in March and again in April, the leaders of the US and Indian navies met and discussed how to improve maritime domain awareness.

"Now, we are into the planning stage of our 2015 Malabar joint naval exercise. We want to continue this exercise to deepen our maritime security relationship with India," he said.

Referring to the recent "cross border terror attacks," Verma said the US condemns such acts in "the strongest possible terms" and stands with the people of India and all free people in fighting the curse of terrorism.

"There can be no place, no accommodation and no justification for violence on innocent people. As (US) President (Barack) Obama said during his visit to New Delhi, the US and India are united in this fight and the two countries will continue our focus for a better future," Verma said.

Verma said that the way India chooses to define its own world as a leading power can have a profound impact on their shared interests in defending and preserving assured access to shared spaces.

"As the (US) President articulated in his February, 2015, National Security strategy, shared spaces are the arteries of the world economy, a sure access is pre-requisite for the governments of the world to continue to provide their citizens with better standards of living," he said.

The top American diplomat here said he believes that as leading powers, cooperation between the US and India will lay the ground for the next breakthrough in bilateral ties.

"Let's start with the seas, free the sea for everyone; It has been a foundational argument for naval freedom. 90 per cent of the trade worldwide operates on the oceans.

"Our oil, fuels, imports and exports depend on the safe passage of cargo ... but, today, the safety and security of sea (commerce) faces a genuine threat from terrorists, natural environmental disruptions, mass migrations and organised criminal activities," he said.

Piracy on the high seas continues to create uncertainties, Verma said, adding that world powers have stood up and worked to address these concerns with the US and India often at the forefront of such efforts.

"We are both maritime powers, our navies engage in joint training and exercises as partners, our leaders have expressed an interest to work together in both the US-India joint statement and US-India defence agreement.

"We demonstrated it in the case of Somalia in 2009, but we can do more," he said.

Verma added that as natural disasters may also affect the maritime domain, India and the US, being leading powers, must be prepared to deal with such phenomena.

The US ambassador said that India has proven herself in this regard in 2004, when it immediately responded to the devastation caused by the tsunami, saving thousands of lives in south and south-east Asia.

"There are thousands of other examples of India's humanitarian disaster response capability," he said.

US is always like that here is the successful US fighter plane historical co-operation with Europe and i hope you learn it well from it

 
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Untill we get our hands on AESA and alloys for high thrust engine , it won't happen.
 
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And if France, as @Chinese-Dragon noted , is susceptible to US pressure, as seen with the Mistral saga, would the Rafale be a bad investment for India too due to the susceptibility of France to be pressured by the US?
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You are right about everything except Mistral part India is a major weapons importer for France you can't compare it with Russia which wouldn't buy as much as India if anything at all in the future.
French companies need business just like any other company. What will US offer France after taking away their single most important customer?
As world can see India is facing issues with their in house developments so alternative is go foreign and its a big demand considering the size of our forces.
So IMO both you and Chinese Dragon is wrong .:)
 
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This whole procurement debacle could have been avoided if you opted for the Super Bug - The American's are reliable supplier (assuming you don't anger them too much), they deliver on time and their systems are the some of the best around with great support programs and after-market care.

I get it, the EFT and Rafale are better than the Super Hornet, I agree, but what good is a better aircraft if you can't even solve the procurement problem?

Had you opted for this, you'd have had it years ago. Instead you'll be offering tenders, RFPs and trials for years more, and still not have anything to show for it.

:tsk:India's defense procurement policies actually make me a bit unwell, it's that bad.

28968.jpg


Four_Super_Hornets.jpg


And if you like the Super Hornet, maybe you can get yourselves a Growler or two to go along with it:

1024px-EA-18G_Growler_VX-9_from_below_2008.jpg


9574129954_eaf2fbb4ae_b.jpg


If you put your faith in the American's, they'll open up their defense industry even more and allow you things they'd have refused in the past.
good stuff but it comes with too many riders on it, can't risk it with the Americans, not good in this part of the world to be held hostage to sanctions, we saw after Pokhran, we see with Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan.. too much involvement with the Americans generally means bad news, and that holds true for both if you're with them or against them :sarcastic:
 
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This whole procurement debacle could have been avoided if you opted for the Super Bug - The American's are reliable supplier (assuming you don't anger them too much), they deliver on time and their systems are the some of the best around with great support programs and after-market care.

I get it, the EFT and Rafale are better than the Super Hornet, I agree, but what good is a better aircraft if you can't even solve the procurement problem?

Had you opted for this, you'd have had it years ago. Instead you'll be offering tenders, RFPs and trials for years more, and still not have anything to show for it.

:tsk:India's defense procurement policies actually make me a bit unwell, it's that bad.

28968.jpg


Four_Super_Hornets.jpg


And if you like the Super Hornet, maybe you can get yourselves a Growler or two to go along with it:

1024px-EA-18G_Growler_VX-9_from_below_2008.jpg


9574129954_eaf2fbb4ae_b.jpg


If you put your faith in the American's, they'll open up their defense industry even more and allow you things they'd have refused in the past.


Well US planes are awesome, no doubt about the on time supply.... the thing we are afraid of, is Kill switch(sanctions), and we have to use these jets against Pak mostly... who is a loyal ally to US... given the US history about sanctions... it's better to procure our Jets from others than US.... unless US accepts, no terms and conditions about source codes, sanction... it will be great choice...
 
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If so US and Israel must join AMCA ... If possible Japan should get ropped in too . As they are already developing heavy stealth fighter so Medium configuration of AMCA will be win win win . But I don't think US would do that which will end f35 programme in in next few years
 
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