Make in India fails to quench nation's dependence on made in China goods

[Jackdaws]

Wow. What a lovely Indian, so do you understand how the world mocked India?

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Yes, no one cares about India. At least Trump's granddaughter doesn't care about India.
You know what? Obama's brother also lives in China. Do you know Shenzhen?


BTW, baby, I can post umpteen links. but I don't know how to change a low IQ, inferior, ignorant, arrogant Indian.
Because you have been living in your world. Even if your country is garbage, you remain arrogant. This is your illness.
No one can save you.


In all the forums I attended, there is no doubt that Indians are the most arrogant and ignorant. Even more ignorant than Africans.

No little baby - I don't speak gibberish - so I can't understand the pics you post. But that doesn't mean you can't get on a yak and cross over into the civilized world and ask for refuge like your fellow citizens.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

No little baby - I don't speak gibberish - so I can't understand the pics you post. But that doesn't mean you can't get on a yak and cross over into the civilized world and ask for refuge like your fellow citizens.

Lovely baby, you are not in a civilized world. You are in the hungry world. Who would think that the garbage country like India is a civilization? ? ? Dalit believes it?

The pic is foreign youth mocking India. Use your fantasy. And. I can provide video.

 

[beijingwalker]

The only thing those Indians guys want to convince us is that India is better than China. let them have it. let them live in their dreams. It's not a bad thing for us.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Can't compete with China on manufacturing. I was speaking to an importer who imports raw material from China in bulk. He said the prices are ridiculously low - it is almost as if with each container he imports, they are also sending him a $500 cheque.

I don't know how accounting works in China. But I look at prices of products and it is impossible to make products at certain price points - the Government must be giving some unrealistic subsidies. The other day I ordered a Qualcomm Certified Quick Charger from Aliexpress and it was for under $4. That's about Rs. 270. With shipping to India. They have to pay Qualcomm a certain royalty. How is this even possible? They are clearly selling the product at a loss.

Forget India - even a worn torn African nation will not be able to compete with China in manufacturing if the employees only worked for food.

I can only guess - but the state banks must be giving unrestricted access to capital to Chinese manufacturers with little or no oversight and not demanding a statement of accounts. At some point, it is going to be a big mess - because someone has to pay for all this and in likelihood it is going to be the Chinese people.

China didn't become the second biggest economy with such rapid growth by these kinds of bad business policies. I'm sure there would some subsidies in certain sectors based on a host of reasons...but banks just handing out loans willy nilly to any business or China massively subsidizing manufacturers who then sell at a loss is too far fetched and unrealistic. The biggest reason China can sell products cheap is bcuz of the grand scale it manufactures them at. A second reason could be(depending on the market and the product) is dumping, which is usually temporary and is used just to eliminate competition by those companies with deep pockets.

 

[Jackdaws]

China didn't become the second biggest economy with such rapid growth by these kinds of bad business policies. I'm sure there would some subsidies in certain sectors based on a host of reasons...but banks just handing out loans willy nilly to any business or China massively subsidizing manufacturers who then sell at a loss is too far fetched and unrealistic. The biggest reason China can sell products cheap is bcuz of the grand scale it manufactures them at. A second reason could be(depending on the market and the product) is dumping, which is usually temporary and is used just to eliminate competition by those companies with deep pockets.

Right - but the problem is opacity. There have been manufacturing led economic leaps in many economies starting with Japan in the 1950s - then Korea, Taiwan, Thailand - but none of them have been as big as China and none have been as opaque. The whole Chinese growth smacks of one giant ponzi scheme - which will give excellent returns in the beginning until someone pulls the plug.

Lovely baby, you are not in a civilized world. You are in the hungry world. Who would think that the garbage country like India is a civilization? ? ? Dalit believes it?

The pic is foreign youth mocking India. Use your fantasy. And. I can provide video.

Sweet baby - you can provide anything you want - and you can mouth your communist little red book propaganda all you like. It is to India where 100,000 + Chinese refugees beg to let in. And we are a charitable nation - the Dalits are better off than the Chinese refugees and the Chinese refugees are still thankful.

The only thing those Indians guys want to convince us is that India is better than China. let them have it. let them live in their dreams. It's not a bad thing for us.

No one wants to convince you - you are free to believe what you like.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Right - but the problem is opacity. There have been manufacturing led economic leaps in many economies starting with Japan in the 1950s - then Korea, Taiwan, Thailand - but none of them have been as big as China and none have been as opaque. The whole Chinese growth smacks of one giant ponzi scheme - which will give excellent returns in the beginning until someone pulls the plug.


Sweet baby - you can provide anything you want - and you can mouth your communist little red book propaganda all you like. It is to India where 100,000 + Chinese refugees beg to let in. And we are a charitable nation - the Dalits are better off than the Chinese refugees and the Chinese refugees are still thankful.


No one wants to convince you - you are free to believe what you like.

What a lovely India baby, you have your own world. But you can't ignore the reality. In any case, India is a backward agricultural country, more hungry than NK and BD., which is generally recognized by the world. You still can't provide enough food for your people. You can deceive yourself, but you can't cheat the real world.

Children Are Hungrier In Modi's India Than In Kim's North Korea
Nobel Reminds India Of Its 60 Million Child Slaves
India’s preference for sons has created a nation of tiny people
37% of All the Illiterate Adults in the World Are Indian
..........................................
Lovely India baby, back to your mother's arms, she gives you a better dream.

@Cookie Monster bro, don't take the Indians seriously. They are patients.

 

[beijingwalker]

Right - but the problem is opacity. There have been manufacturing led economic leaps in many economies starting with Japan in the 1950s - then Korea, Taiwan, Thailand - but none of them have been as big as China and none have been as opaque. The whole Chinese growth smacks of one giant ponzi scheme - which will give excellent returns in the beginning until someone pulls the plug.
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We have been waiting for that someone to pull that plug for almost 4 decades, don't let us wait for another 4 decades, would you please to help?

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Right - but the problem is opacity. There have been manufacturing led economic leaps in many economies starting with Japan in the 1950s - then Korea, Taiwan, Thailand - but none of them have been as big as China and none have been as opaque. The whole Chinese growth smacks of one giant ponzi scheme - which will give excellent returns in the beginning until someone pulls the plug.


Sweet baby - you can provide anything you want - and you can mouth your communist little red book propaganda all you like. It is to India where 100,000 + Chinese refugees beg to let in. And we are a charitable nation - the Dalits are better off than the Chinese refugees and the Chinese refugees are still thankful.


No one wants to convince you - you are free to believe what you like.

BTW, India is still far behind Kenya.

India Railway

Kenya Railway

 

[Cookie Monster]

Right - but the problem is opacity. There have been manufacturing led economic leaps in many economies starting with Japan in the 1950s - then Korea, Taiwan, Thailand - but none of them have been as big as China and none have been as opaque. The whole Chinese growth smacks of one giant ponzi scheme - which will give excellent returns in the beginning until someone pulls the plug.

I highly doubt it's a Ponzi scheme...someone has to benefit from a Ponzi scheme...
If banks are handing out capital to manufacturing businesses and government is providing subsidies only for these businesses to then sell their products at a loss...where is the gain?

I think it's just the general trend...

Japan had the meteoric rise due to its immense manufacturing capabilities and then it tapered off due to a host of reasons
- Tough competition from emerging South Korean/Chinese companies in the same fields where Japan used to lead
- Japan being a developed country(as opposed to an emerging South Korea and China a few decades ago) had a higher cost of living, which is only natural in developed countries...thus couldn't compete with Chinese/South Korean labor costs
- Japan saw a decline in the population of its young ppl, tapering off of population growth is also a trend that happens in developed countries. Moreover bcuz of better healthcare, the old ppl live longer than ever(which contribute less and are rather more dependent on the government/tax payer money in terms of benefits they receive).

Taiwan and South Korea are still doing fine so far but as u will see in all the cases including US and Europe(some of the first of the industrialized countries)...the trend is as follows...

Let's imagine a non developed country X that's starting to industrialize...

• Industrialization starts...providing ppl with jobs
• On average ppl are not that well off in that economy that is barely starting to industrialize...and therefore they are willing to work at low wages...
  • other factors that keep wages low is the sheer amount of competition for those jobs...bcuz non developed countries generally have growing population...so fewer jobs and more ppl looking for jobs lead to low wages
  • The cost of living is generally lower in non developed countries, which makes it more affordable for ppl to work at low wages and still get by
• Then overtime as the economy starts to take off(due to exports of cheap goods manufactured by cheap labor)...these ppl with jobs are able to educate their children...spend more...and generation after generation there's a rise in the standard of living, literacy rate, the population growth also starts tapering off, and ppl generally start living longer due to better healthcare
• As more of more of the above happens...the cost of living starts going up leading ppl to demand higher wages, which in turn leads to an even higher cost of everyday goods
• Then when the labor costs become too high for businesses...they generally up and leave to some next country where cheap labor is en masses and hungry for jobs...so that they can still be competitive and potentially have bigger profit margins by keeping production cost low.

This above has been the trend...increasingly so as the world has become ever more interconnected and a global village of sorts. European countries had an industrial boom and now these countries' economies(manufacturing sector and economies in general) is ranging from "ok" to "barely getting by". Germany was once a powerhouse of industry...and now though still a major European economy...it's not what it once was. Same goes for France and UK. Other countries like Italy and Spain are doing slightly worse...while still others like Greece are just about on the brink of bankruptcy(though that has more to do with their policies and expenditures...but a downward trend of their economy didn't help). US went strong for a long time until its manufacturing sector left for greener pastures mostly to Asian countries. That is how the cycle goes...China has barely seen this growth for the last few decades and though standard of living is rising...it has a massive population and so the trend that has happened with all the other countries so far will take time before China can no longer provide cheap labor...and then the manufacturing sector would probably just up and leave to some other country.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Right - but the problem is opacity. There have been manufacturing led economic leaps in many economies starting with Japan in the 1950s - then Korea, Taiwan, Thailand - but none of them have been as big as China and none have been as opaque. The whole Chinese growth smacks of one giant ponzi scheme - which will give excellent returns in the beginning until someone pulls the plug.


Sweet baby - you can provide anything you want - and you can mouth your communist little red book propaganda all you like. It is to India where 100,000 + Chinese refugees beg to let in. And we are a charitable nation - the Dalits are better off than the Chinese refugees and the Chinese refugees are still thankful.


No one wants to convince you - you are free to believe what you like.

I highly doubt it's a Ponzi scheme...someone has to benefit from a Ponzi scheme...
If banks are handing out capital to manufacturing businesses and government is providing subsidies only for these business to then sell their products at a loss...where is the gain?

I think it's just the general trend...

Japan had the meteoric rise due to its immense manufacturing capabilities and then it tapered off due to a host of reasons
- Tough competition from emerging South Korean/Chinese companies in the same fields where Japan used to lead
- Japan being a developed country(as opposed to an emerging South Korea and China a few decades ago) had a higher cost of living, which is only natural in developed countries...thus couldn't compete with Chinese/South Korean labor costs
- Japan saw a decline in the population of its young ppl, tapering off of population growth is also a trend that happens in developed countries. Moreover bcuz of better healthcare, the old ppl live longer than ever(which contribute less and are rather more dependent on the government/tax payer money in terms of benefits they receive).

Taiwan and South Korea are still doing fine so far but as u will see in all the cases including US and Europe(some of the first of the industrialized countries)...the trend is as follows...

Let's imagine a non developed country X that's starting to industrialize...

• Industrialization starts...providing ppl with jobs
• On average ppl are not that well off in that economy that is barely starting to industrialize...and therefore they are willing to work at low wages...
  • other factors that keep wages low is the sheer amount of competition for those jobs...bcuz non developed countries generally have growing population...so fewer jobs and more ppl looking for jobs lead to low wages
  • The cost of living is generally lower in non developed countries, which makes it more affordable for ppl to work at low wages and still get by
• Then overtime as the economy starts to take off(due to exports of cheap goods manufactured by cheap labor)...these ppl with jobs are able to educate their children...spend more...and generation after generation there's a rise in the standard of living, literacy rate, the population growth also starts tapering off, and ppl generally start living longer due to better healthcare
• As more of more of the above happens...the cost of living starts going up leading ppl to demand higher wages, which in turn leads to an even higher cost of everyday goods
• Then when the labor costs become too high for businesses...they generally up and leave to some next country where cheap labor is en masses and hungry for jobs...so that they can still be competitive and potentially have bigger profit margins by keeping production cost low.

This above has been the trend...increasingly so as the world has become every more interconnected and a global village of sorts. European countries had an industrial boom and now these country's economies(manufacturing sector and economies in general) is ranging from "ok" to "barely getting by". Germany was once a powerhouse of industry...and now though still a major European economy...it's not what it once was. Same goes for France and UK. Other countries like Italy and Spain are doing slightly worse...while still others like Greece are just about on the brink. US went strong for a long time until its manufacturing sector left for greener pastures mostly to Asian countries. That is how the cycle goes...China has barely seen this growth for the last few decades and though standard of living is rising...it has a massive population and so the trend that has happened with all the other countries so far will take time before China can no longer provide cheap labor...and then the manufacturing sector would probably just up and leave to some other country.

A backward agricultural country is like India. —— economic, military, industrial, life expectancy, literacy, average height, urbanization, information, HDI... All India behind China. Now 400 million India illiterates say that China is a "Ponzi scheme". I don't know what makes Indians so crazy. Maybe severe hunger affects their IQ and thinking?

Now let's see how backward India is.

—— Now, even if India is a BBB- country, China still does not stop helping India. In many ways, India relies on Chinese technology, including 5G networks, rail transit, renewable energy, infrastructure... Even weapon system.

Communication equipment.

5G deployment in India will happen in line with global timeline: Huawei

Rail traffic and train chips.

Chinese firm exports transistor chips for Indian locomotives

Exports eight-inch chips to India

CRRC Dalian obtains metro vehicle export order from Nagpur, India

China’s CRRC to provide 14 subway trains with 112 carriages to India

China set to export trains for Mumbai Metro Rail project

China's leading train manufacturer starts operation in India

Kolkata Metro Unveils Design of CNR Dalian Trains

Chinese Corporation CRRC to supply coaches to Nagpur Metro

Chinese firm gets Rs 604 contract for Mumbai metro rail proj

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_1_(Mumbai_Metro)

and, Delhi metro escalator also comes from the Chinese company - Canny.

http://www.canny-elevator.com/en/new_info.aspx?newsid=956&NewsCateId=168

Renewable energy.

China’s Sany Plans 1 GW Renewable Energy Capacity In India

Engineering equipment.

Sany India secure orders the maldives tens of millions of do

We even helped the India cannon reach the Saudi level.

Fake Chinese spares for indigenised Bofors guns

Now the India cannon is close to the Saudi level.

Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen

And the basis @Syama Ayas；India's B??? Missile is a copy of the Chinese missile（sorry, I forgot its name）.

India should be more grateful to us. Because we help India missiles reach Turkey level!

Turkey Is Ready To Export Chinese Ballistic Missiles

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/we-help-india-so-much-why-dont-india-thank-us.534018/

 

[Jackdaws]

What a lovely India baby, you have your own world. But you can't ignore the reality. In any case, India is a backward agricultural country, more hungry than NK and BD., which is generally recognized by the world. You still can't provide enough food for your people. You can deceive yourself, but you can't cheat the real world.

Children Are Hungrier In Modi's India Than In Kim's North Korea
Nobel Reminds India Of Its 60 Million Child Slaves
India’s preference for sons has created a nation of tiny people
37% of All the Illiterate Adults in the World Are Indian
..........................................
Lovely India baby, back to your mother's arms, she gives you a better dream.

@Cookie Monster bro, don't take the Indians seriously. They are patients.

Yawn little baby - you can still get on your yak and beg India for refugee status like 100,000+ Chinese citizens.

We have been waiting for that someone to pull that plug for almost 4 decades, don't let us wait for another 4 decades, would you please to help?

Why would I pull it? You will do it yourselves at some point - the longer the wait, the bigger is going to be the bubble.

A backward agricultural country is like India. —— economic, military, industrial, life expectancy, literacy, average height, urbanization, information, HDI... All India behind China. Now 400 million India illiterates say that China is a "Ponzi scheme". I don't know what makes Indians so crazy. Maybe severe hunger affects their IQ and thinking?

Now let's see how backward India is.

—— Now, even if India is a BBB- country, China still does not stop helping India. In many ways, India relies on Chinese technology, including 5G networks, rail transit, renewable energy, infrastructure... Even weapon system.

Communication equipment.

5G deployment in India will happen in line with global timeline: Huawei

Rail traffic and train chips.

Chinese firm exports transistor chips for Indian locomotives

Exports eight-inch chips to India

CRRC Dalian obtains metro vehicle export order from Nagpur, India

China’s CRRC to provide 14 subway trains with 112 carriages to India

China set to export trains for Mumbai Metro Rail project

China's leading train manufacturer starts operation in India

Kolkata Metro Unveils Design of CNR Dalian Trains

Chinese Corporation CRRC to supply coaches to Nagpur Metro

Chinese firm gets Rs 604 contract for Mumbai metro rail proj

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_1_(Mumbai_Metro)

and, Delhi metro escalator also comes from the Chinese company - Canny.

http://www.canny-elevator.com/en/new_info.aspx?newsid=956&NewsCateId=168

Renewable energy.

China’s Sany Plans 1 GW Renewable Energy Capacity In India

Engineering equipment.

Sany India secure orders the maldives tens of millions of do

We even helped the India cannon reach the Saudi level.

Fake Chinese spares for indigenised Bofors guns

Now the India cannon is close to the Saudi level.

Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen

And the basis @Syama Ayas；India's B??? Missile is a copy of the Chinese missile（sorry, I forgot its name）.

India should be more grateful to us. Because we help India missiles reach Turkey level!

Turkey Is Ready To Export Chinese Ballistic Missiles

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/we-help-india-so-much-why-dont-india-thank-us.534018/

And still begging to be let into India as refugees. Haha.

You are paid for your goods and services and as a tip we take in your refugees too. No one is forcing you to sell to India - so be nice to those who are paying you.

BTW, India is still far behind Kenya.

India Railway

Kenya Railway

Typical Chinese propaganda - passing off a train in Bangladesh as an Indian train. LOL - I guess when you are Chinese, you can pretty much post anything you feel like as far as it makes you feel good about living in a land with no rights.

I highly doubt it's a Ponzi scheme...someone has to benefit from a Ponzi scheme...
If banks are handing out capital to manufacturing businesses and government is providing subsidies only for these businesses to then sell their products at a loss...where is the gain?

I think it's just the general trend...

Japan had the meteoric rise due to its immense manufacturing capabilities and then it tapered off due to a host of reasons
- Tough competition from emerging South Korean/Chinese companies in the same fields where Japan used to lead
- Japan being a developed country(as opposed to an emerging South Korea and China a few decades ago) had a higher cost of living, which is only natural in developed countries...thus couldn't compete with Chinese/South Korean labor costs
- Japan saw a decline in the population of its young ppl, tapering off of population growth is also a trend that happens in developed countries. Moreover bcuz of better healthcare, the old ppl live longer than ever(which contribute less and are rather more dependent on the government/tax payer money in terms of benefits they receive).

Taiwan and South Korea are still doing fine so far but as u will see in all the cases including US and Europe(some of the first of the industrialized countries)...the trend is as follows...

Let's imagine a non developed country X that's starting to industrialize...

• Industrialization starts...providing ppl with jobs
• On average ppl are not that well off in that economy that is barely starting to industrialize...and therefore they are willing to work at low wages...
  • other factors that keep wages low is the sheer amount of competition for those jobs...bcuz non developed countries generally have growing population...so fewer jobs and more ppl looking for jobs lead to low wages
  • The cost of living is generally lower in non developed countries, which makes it more affordable for ppl to work at low wages and still get by
• Then overtime as the economy starts to take off(due to exports of cheap goods manufactured by cheap labor)...these ppl with jobs are able to educate their children...spend more...and generation after generation there's a rise in the standard of living, literacy rate, the population growth also starts tapering off, and ppl generally start living longer due to better healthcare
• As more of more of the above happens...the cost of living starts going up leading ppl to demand higher wages, which in turn leads to an even higher cost of everyday goods
• Then when the labor costs become too high for businesses...they generally up and leave to some next country where cheap labor is en masses and hungry for jobs...so that they can still be competitive and potentially have bigger profit margins by keeping production cost low.

This above has been the trend...increasingly so as the world has become ever more interconnected and a global village of sorts. European countries had an industrial boom and now these countries' economies(manufacturing sector and economies in general) is ranging from "ok" to "barely getting by". Germany was once a powerhouse of industry...and now though still a major European economy...it's not what it once was. Same goes for France and UK. Other countries like Italy and Spain are doing slightly worse...while still others like Greece are just about on the brink of bankruptcy(though that has more to do with their policies and expenditures...but a downward trend of their economy didn't help). US went strong for a long time until its manufacturing sector left for greener pastures mostly to Asian countries. That is how the cycle goes...China has barely seen this growth for the last few decades and though standard of living is rising...it has a massive population and so the trend that has happened with all the other countries so far will take time before China can no longer provide cheap labor...and then the manufacturing sector would probably just up and leave to some other country.

Yes - I agree to the above analysis. But all the other countries you mentioned have a high level of transparency.
The problem in China remains that it doesn't. It's sheer population size gives it a massive cushion

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/28/china-debt-vs-china-growth-beijing-faces-big-questions-in-2018.html

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Yawn little baby - you can still get on your yak and beg India for refugee status like 100,000+ Chinese citizens.

Why would I pull it? You will do it yourselves at some point - the longer the wait, the bigger is going to be the bubble.




And still begging to be let into India as refugees. Haha.

You are paid for your goods and services and as a tip we take in your refugees too. No one is forcing you to sell to India - so be nice to those who are paying you.



Typical Chinese propaganda - passing off a train in Bangladesh as an Indian train. LOL - I guess when you are Chinese, you can pretty much post anything you feel like as far as it makes you feel good about living in a land with no rights.



Yes - I agree to the above analysis. But all the other countries you mentioned have a high level of transparency.
The problem in China remains that it doesn't. It's sheer population size gives it a massive cushion

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/28/china-debt-vs-china-growth-beijing-faces-big-questions-in-2018.html

LOL. 400 million India illiterate talk about the economy?

 

[beijingwalker]

Yes - I agree to the above analysis. But all the other countries you mentioned have a high level of transparency.

Are the world's longest highways, railways, hign speed railways, subways,bridges and tunnels, world's biggest and best ports, railway stations, airports, burgeoning modern cities... not transparent enough for a sighted person to see? How about manned space stations, world's fastest trains and computers? None is so blind than those we refuse to see.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Typical Chinese propaganda - passing off a train in Bangladesh as an Indian train. LOL - I guess when you are Chinese, you can pretty much post anything you feel like as far as it makes you feel good about living in a land with no rights.

But a backward agricultural country like India....OK! Provide your best railway picture. Come on, let me see what's the best railway in India.
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I'm sorry for BD brothers, I can't distinguish between Bangladesh and India railway. If I provide the Bangladeshi railway, please give me a hint.
@Homo Sapiens @BDforever @UKBengali @bluesky @Bilal9

 

[beijingwalker]

But a backward agricultural country like India....OK! Provide your best railway picture. Come on, let me see what's the best railway in India.
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