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MAKE IN INDIA-- F-16s ;F-18s: Hunt for new range of fighter jets set to take off NEXT MONTH

The F 35 part you mention is quite interesting. 4 squadrons of F35 (~72 no.s) would mean a huge quantum jump in capabilities, but at the same time would mean a goodbye to FGFA and perhaps a cap on Rafale at 36 being negotiated right now.
However it looks unlikely that India would want to ditch Russia at this juncture (especially after having invested quite a money in PAK FA program).
So maybe what could happen is this:
1. Rafale numbers are fixed at 36 at this moment.
2. US, India and Sweden agree on customized production of Grippen in India.
3. LM gets contracts for Naval deck based fighters F 35C for IN. That would justify DTTI proposal of EMALS for India
4. India gets breathing time on FGFA front.

On naval front IN too gets E2D. Along with P80i, it would mean a huge capability increase as far as naval reconnaissance is concerned in IOR.
but sirji F35 wont be avilable till at least 2025 as it already has to fulfill a huge order of US and allies and PAKFA will be avilable to usstarting 2020 so your guess is as good as mine

now rafale is already selected and they are coming both from france and made in india with maybe dassault going alone under new guidelines of FDI but do not think MOD gonna go with Grippen E as F16V is offered at the same price and complete transfer of assembaly and production lines and TOT+ the political capital india stands to gain & prospects of making C-130XJ in india since MTA deal is dead

so logically speaking i guess a US fighter will surelly be selected and as for F35C well i guess IN has already made its mind on aquiring RafaleM for IAC-1
 
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Could you asked your source about the transport fleet for IAF. Can US C-17 and C-170 be an alternative to the MTA.

On serious note, I believe India won't take any combat drone from US, rather long range reccee drones like Global Hawk, and would concentrate on the Anti Sub capability. For the Tactical Drone, India would pitch for the Israeli alternative, and push the AURA program with an active help from france.
there is only one C17 available.. and i am sure US wont like to shift that line to us bcz we cant commit such big investments for that..

C130 can definitely be an alternative to MTA but present C130 Js are too much attuned for special mission packages. We need to strip it down and hence i had been suggesting with @Abingdonboy for another C130 version called C130 XJ.

I had said earlier keep the ratio of An32/MTA : C130 XJ at 1:0.60-0.70 or instead of 100 An32/MTA take 60-70 or 6-7 sqds of C130 XJ (at 10 birds a sqd) and get the line under Make In India. The line takes 3 years to transfer and at 12 jets a year thats biz for 5-6 years post line setup or end to end project line of 8-9 years. On top surely we can export few more dozens to friendly country with US acting as a guardian seller (eg Malaysia, Australia etc).

Since we have demonstrated the use of C130 in Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief or HADR ops, its efficacy and effectiveness is demonstrated a lot in South East Asia. On top, its ability to land in ALG is a big bonus.

See recon drones is the best way possible but we should try and see what best we can getwith shielding of frontline jets scenario.. Aura and Ghatak is the way forward but we do require MALE and HALE both.. Recon and ISR is fine but armed ones with ASW capability is a must. Thats why i recommend another 20 odd P8Is, some based out of both East and West coast and A&N ones can have dedicated view over IOR. Of course if USA does nt help us no problem, Israeli options are always there.. But then lets bargain hard..


The F 35 part you mention is quite interesting. 4 squadrons of F35 (~72 no.s) would mean a huge quantum jump in capabilities, but at the same time would mean a goodbye to FGFA and perhaps a cap on Rafale at 36 being negotiated right now.
However it looks unlikely that India would want to ditch Russia at this juncture (especially after having invested quite a money in PAK FA program).
So maybe what could happen is this:
1. Rafale numbers are fixed at 36 at this moment.
2. US, India and Sweden agree on customized production of Grippen in India.
3. LM gets contracts for Naval deck based fighters F 35C for IN. That would justify DTTI proposal of EMALS for India
4. India gets breathing time on FGFA front.

On naval front IN too gets E2D. Along with P80i, it would mean a huge capability increase as far as naval reconnaissance is concerned in IOR.

Gripen under MII is tough bcz its trying hard to first appease the indian masses via a media campaign whereas in reality its unable to cut much ice with DM MP.
On top the capability addition for the fully certified Gripen E is at least 5-6 years away. The IPR they hold are shallow as its partial and India cant get access to everything as it has to go to its parent country companies anyways.
Rafale wont get stopped bcz of the SSN project help as well as reactor tech help. DCNS is already giving us the AIP .. Neuron tech is also flowing with LCA and AMCA help.. TBH to replace Rafale MII its virtually too much for any other nation except say USA who wont be able to complete the tech transfer owing to senate restriction.

The F35 thing is basically a candy shown by US folks especially LM who is showing F35 post 2022 at $75 Mn flyaway. The F16-F35 line is basically asked for a bigger number bcz the plan comprised of 160 F16s and then another 160 F35s under a MII assembly line. But thats virtually killing AMCA project. FGFA wont be harmed bcz its role will continue as Air Dominance plus Air Superiority like F22 complementing the F35/AMCA.
The exception to all this is a much smaller number which will then become a FMS route instead of MII route with offset works. The downside is no tech transfer. The upside is US MIC productivity is so high that in 5 years 100F16s can come in easily and then 60 odd F35 can be in another 3 years so by 2023/24 the whole 160 jets can be delivered ..

But again this wont cut ice as MII is the pet theme of GOI and PM Na Mo..

Anyways i am having a feeling power minister Mr Piyush may takeover as DM and MP may go to Home with Rajnath returning to UP CM incase NDA wins in UP elections. In such a case scenario, its even more difficult for any fighter which does nt give us a true MII prospect over just marketing campaigns.

Credit is to be given to Dassault, till the date they have not gone bombastic with MII wordings or reports but still they have been doing their best to get what we want really. Rest all is just an act to show the price we are paying is the best and competitive after comparing all others.
 
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Yeah we have to face, F-16V, F-16 Block 60, J-10C, J-16, J-31, JF-17, Stealty JF-17 Block 4, J-20, EF-2000, Su-35, TFX, JH7B, Mirrage 2005 and that too with TOT.

Pakistan Doesn't have F-16 V nor F-16 Block 60??
Stealthy JF-17? What's that?
There's no Block IV either
Rumors About EF 2000 Not seeing till near future or distant future
TFX? in a design Phase?

Don't worry bro.. All these planes are useless.. None of them has DSI

F-35 have DSI o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O That makes us worried :D

we are palnning cause we have meens to buy them and have a need for the same too why you so worried :azn:

now the real thing is IAF have three catagories for offensive fighters


so in short its gonna be like

Light = LCA MK1A

Medium = Rafale+ upgraded Mig29+M2K+Jaguar D3 (AMCA for future ) while one american fighter

Heavy = Su30 MKI(FGFA/PAKFA future )

And Naval wing :tup::tup::tup:
 
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Pakistan Doesn't have F-16 V nor F-16 Block 60??
Stealthy JF-17? What's that?
There's no Block IV either
Rumors About EF 2000 Not seeing till near future or distant future
TFX? in a design Phase?



F-35 have DSI o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O That makes us worried :D



And Naval wing :tup::tup::tup:
about first part there are many pakistani mebers who have repeatedly said in case of war with india all major GCC states can tranfer there latest fighter jets to PAF as PAF was the one who helped them with training and setting up logistics bases to them so theoritically it can be possible for IAF to face EF2000, F16Blk60, M2K9 and poetntially TFX from turkey so we need to prepair owr plans on that as they say "think/hope for the best but prepair for the worst"

a bout the second part lets not talk about stealthy techs :nono:

well we already have 45 Mig29Ks but want Rafale M or F35C but its still under considration plus we are already developing NLCA you forgot to mention that :D
 
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Pakistan Doesn't have F-16 V nor F-16 Block 60??
Stealthy JF-17? What's that?
There's no Block IV either
Rumors About EF 2000 Not seeing till near future or distant future
TFX? in a design Phase?

Those listed are on the Wishlist of the PAF according to the PDF, and you would find the threads that PAF is interested in those.

IAF on the otherhand going for Rafale in numbers. And the LM, Boeing, or SAAB proposal for Make in India, does not automatically means induction into service, and as @PARIKRAMA have mentioned those proposal not impresive but as the FDI have been released to 100 %, they may choose a pvt. company, or invest on the production plant in India.

There is zero chances of F-35 in IAF, And IN can consider F-35 C, but then Rafale-M is more attractive. SU-30MKI will go deep upgradation, because it has already passed 15 years in service, and would be upgraded to super Sukhoi standard. You fail to mention MIG-29 and Mirrage 2000 and Jaguar Upgrade to UPG and Darin 3 standard, which is going as we speak.

Grippen E after Finemecca fissco will take atleast 5 years to get ready, and till than LCA MK-2 would be ready.
 
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F35 production for U.S and allied states are still in it's early stages, it will atleast 10 years to fulfill those orders (40-70 F35I to Israel :-))
so that means ther wont be any F35 for india till 2030 now :azn:

in that case its fare to say at least 36 rafaleM for IAC-1 and besides the IAF order which also means that chances of ASH for IAF are brighter than ever before
 
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It makes sense...when you look into it deeper...lol...
It's not good at air superiority,and has poor range with paltry payload to call it a strike aircraft, has low manoeuvrability in low altitudes to fit in the role of a CAS aircraft...it's good at nothing!!
 
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What about other CISMO and Geezmo agreements required to be signed with USA?? Will we have complete control over these birds??
The Americans will have full control over us!

And please don't buy a platform which nations are going to replace. No F16s in simple words

SH and Rafale combo with MKIs will be very good. Tejas will do fine to fill the lower end.

so that means ther wont be any F35 for india till 2030 now :azn:

in that case its fare to say at least 36 rafaleM for IAC-1 and besides the IAF order which also means that chances of ASH for IAF are brighter than ever before

F35A and C are some time away from their IOC even. IAF will not commit before they get their FOC.
 
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