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Maj-Gen Bilal showed bravery till his last breath

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Sir,

I understand the takfirism and problems with intel---intel can fail to deliver---they can make mistakes---it is understandable---but once we know that our general staff has become the target---they must bear arms to protect themselves---now if they die exchanging gunfire with the enemy or in a hand to hand knife combat---God bless them---they truly will be heroes---but dying tackling an armed insurgent while you are unarmed and you already knew the level of threat---that is a shame.

You conveniently missed my comments---


"I bet you you anything---regardless of what anyone's rhetoric is---that general when he was dying---really really wished that he had his side arm on him or at least a combat knife---that poor soul died wishing for what he should have worn like his after shave cologne---only if we can put our children in a child seat just before the crash happened---we would not have to put humpty dumpty together---but alas---".

He wasn't worried about the intel report or the takfiri problem---he just wanted his side arm---.

This post again shows the mindset of pakistanis not being able to accept the threat that they are facing in real time.

MK,

Agreed, we should not underestimate our enemy, Hazrat Ali RA said , i have doubt about muslim having no arm in his house.

Every Pakistani citizen should have training and legal weapon with him in home and during travelling even during prayer in present satuation when nation is at war.
 
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Training and Education can teach you skills and polish your skills but bravity and courage is something which couldn't be taught, you just inherit it, only ALLAH(S.W.T) bless a few with it.

Maj. Gen Bilal Khan seems to be one of those few, he reminds me of another pakistani Farman Ali khan who was not a soldier by profession, not trained to save drowning people but he sacrificed his life to safe more then a dozen people who might have drowned in the recent floods in KSA.

They are gifted people and most of us praise them when we lose them, but its more important for us to identify and respect such people when they are around us alive, we can learn from them and try to support them for their nobility.
 
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Training and Education can teach you skills and polish your skills but bravity and courage is something which couldn't be taught, you just inherit it, only ALLAH(S.W.T) bless a few with it.

Maj. Gen Bilal Khan seems to be one of those few, he reminds me of another pakistani Farman Ali khan who was not a soldier by profession, not trained to save drowning people but he sacrificed his life to safe more then a dozen people who might have drowned in the recent floods in KSA.

They are gifted people and most of us praise them when we lose them, but its more important for us to identify and respect such people when they are around us alive, we can learn from them and try to support them for their nobility.

Every human is gifted with courage and wisdom , but again you have to polish your skills , which our religion teaches us , these days government finished NCC training .I think it is government responsibility to teach young generation at school level ,phyical training,NCC and disaster management .
 
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Nobody in Pakistan takes a hand gun to their local mosque, i have never seen that. Even though i live in one of the most safest neighbourhoods in Lahore, i always keep a TT in my car because you never know what might happen. But when i go to the mosque i always leave it in my car out of respect, because i steadily believe that the House of God should be respected. If there are cowards who want to attack a mosque, than so be it because i know God will protect me or if i do die i will be in a much better place. Same logic can be applied to Major General Bilal, i am sure he is in a much better place than where he was before. God Bless his Soul
 
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Nobody in Pakistan takes a hand gun to their local mosque, i have never seen that. Even though i live in one of the most safest neighbourhoods in Lahore, i always keep a TT in my car because you never know what might happen. But when i go to the mosque i always leave it in my car out of respect, because i steadily believe that the House of God should be respected. If there are cowards who want to attack a mosque, than so be it because i know God will protect me or if i do die i will be in a much better place. Same logic can be applied to Major General Bilal, i am sure he is in a much better place than where he was before. God Bless his Soul

Now every army ,government servent and all adult citizens should have hand gun for self protection.Private security guards have mostly expired amunition , my brother when asked his security guard for trail shot, security guard failed because of expired amunition.

In all mosques of city normally one gun man always standing outside during juma prayer but not enough to protect 500 to 1000 person gathering if the attackers are five or more.
 
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Hi,

If this post is the reflection of the mindset of pakistanis---then the paks have not taken the terorists seriously.

50 yards from your home is the place that is going to be the most insecure place for you---because that is where you donot expect anything happening to you---.

It is only at the time of an accident that you realize that the seat belt was only a few inches away from the shoulders but was not
hooked on---.

Pakistani citizenery must take it as a criminal negligence and offence on the part of millitary heirarchy for not strapping a side arm before leaving a secure place. The civilians have spent millions of dollars to train these men for their jobs.

This was not the first time that a general staff officer was targetted---within a month there were three attacks---two on brigadiers and one on this general.


There is no derivations of acts of strength and courage from this act---but a total lack of judgement, the total lack of understanding the enemies resourcefulness and committment---.

I don't want to see my general officers lying dead on the floor of the mosque and I don't want you guys saying that he died bravely---it is not a part of his job to die tackling a terrorist down mano a mano. It is not a part of his pay plan.

I bet you you anything---regardless of what anyone's rhetoric is---that general when he was dying---really really wished that he had his side arm on him or at least a combat knife---that poor soul died wishing for what he should have worn like his after shave cologne---only if we can put our children in a child seat just before the crash happened---we would not have to put humpty dumpty together---but alas---.

Wake up young pakistani men---stop this knee jerk reaction---seems like the tacticians at the terrorist's headquarters are way ahead of tacticians at the millitary headquarters---the trrorists have done their home work---believing that it is their last job and it should be done to perfection---the millitary tacticians have failed in just even taking basic preventive measures.

The bigest hurdle in this progression is the geneal staff command itself---. somehow they haver to be made believers.

I don't want to see my general officers lying dead on the floor of the mosque and I don't want you guys saying that he died bravely---it is not a part of his job to die tackling a terrorist down mano a mano. It is not a part of his pay plan.

Nice one!!
We have spent precious money on them..


:pakistan:
 
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I agree with Mastan khan, our soldiers and officers must keep their guns with them even while praying and they can break hte prey in case of emergency situation and we are in war for God sake... while i was reading that our brave Maj. Gen. made abolution in -10°C ... i appreciate the devotion but i would like pass a message that in such hostile conditions it is allowed to make tamaim without water and without exposing body parts....also if we make abolution in morning it is not must to wet the feet for next many hours...even in normal conditions and why should we not use the relaxation in religous matters fully.... i know in Pakistan those relaxations ar epracticed partially and i was same until i visited SaudiArabia and saw other people around me and upon asking i got same answer.
Similarly there is no harm or let say it is allowed to keep arms handy while praying in war or risky situation.
I suggest Pak army must consult the scholars and advise soldiers accordingly.

Lastly... I also compliment other comment from Mastan Khan that Pakistanis has not taken the threat seriously.....perhaps its the nature of the people.... they cannot be terrorised but loss of an officer is unrecoverable loss.
No doubt it was a security lapse.....due to same careless attitude...while officers are praying at least two guards should be in the mosque fully armed and officers must keep on their holsters.
BTW.. The loss is not the money our officers and soldiers are price less... we cannot buy sovreignity at any cost.
Why don't we understand Pakistan's classic enemies have raged a proxy war in Pakistan with the help of forces in Afghanistan and our democrat govt.

At the end i salute the brave General and devoted army of Pakistan.
 
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Hi,

Thanks Batman, Fundamentalist and others---I didnot want to demean by saying that the nation spends a lots of money to make them generals---that was just to get your attention---.

The truth is that you cannot replace a Lt general in a jiffy---remember the iraq iran conflict----why was iran on the losing end---because the religionists had slaughtered every available general that they could lay their hands upon and other had run away---hastily promoted colonels and brig cannot fill in the ranks just like that.

Generals are a very precious commodity---each of them worth at least ten thousand lives at times of war---in times of peace---what can I say.
 
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My reply was to the statement that it was a wasteful death. I will not agree to that even though he lost his life but he saved many others while his act of bravery. I know he would have loved to have his side arm with him at that time and surely the outcome would have been different I can rest assure it would have been.

The point I'm trying to highlight is courage and bravery what courage he had that he took them on even though he knew he was unarmed. I just want people to know that even though we have to be way ahead of our enemy tactically but we have to embody courage like the General had even if we gather 10 percent of that, we as a nation will be much better off, the enemy and the terrorists should know that they cannot strike any kind of terror in our hearts. They should know about "Pakistani courage" that we will take them on in any condition to save our Motherland and stand our ground like the great General did so this is how i meant to derive courage from the incident.

Obviously the General or any other person did not go to the mosque that day knowing this will happen. So we as a nation have to realise that we have to be alert and ready for anything at any time and do the right thing at the right time one life sacrificed to save others is not a waste and it should derive bravery, courage and give motivation to people because this war has to be fought this way and when the time arises we will need people to show the same kind of courage as General Bilal Omer Khan did.

We must be aware of our surroundings not be afraid of the hidden coward enemy and retaliate with utmost courage just like the General .I salute the great General and he will always be remembered as a Hero because what he did many can't I just pray to ALLAH to gives us all the same courage that General Bilal had so that we can make Pakistan a better place and let our enemies know that if they even try to look towards our Motherland we shall give them Havoc.

You are right about the mosque being 50 yards and me sayin that who carries a weapon to the mosques you are right we should be vigilant and prepared, but that was just to reply to another statement that stated was the General careless? it did'nt seem right because he wasn't careless we must realise he's a Hero. I just wish it was ordered earlier that all officers to carry personal weapons everywhere because I know him and he used to carry it everywhere in his own time.

May ALLAH bring us all together as a nation as muslims and as human beings because we not having unity amongst us as a nation and as muslims is the main reason behind all this happening to us.

Pakistan Zindabad :D
 
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Another thing you think in a situation where a person is tackling a terrorist unarmed trying to save other people is not heroic i'm surprised it surely is a shame as we do not realise this sacrifice made by the officer who also had a family to go home to.

Do you think only retaliating with weapons is heroic but when in a situation where a person is unarmed but still has the courage to tackle an armed terrorist to help others save their lives isn't I know which sense your talking my friend but please do not say it's a shame, Yes it's a shame that we do not realise the sacrifice made and the lives saved because of it.

I just don't get it why does everyone have to prove a point rather than realising the reality and all that is happening around us. My advice is work as one hand in hand like a nation is suppose to.

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It was part of his oath to defend his Motherland in any condition at any time when required.
 
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Did you see photos of any general in Pakistan army carrying weapon , this attitude is objectionable .

Our concept not to carry gun in mosque is also wrong, we should change our attitude that police and army are not only responsible for our security .

Society always play important role for security that is reason five time prayer is emphesis to creat a sense of unity among muslims.

Second most important thing is to creat culture of volunteer social service in society.
 
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Did you see photos of any general in Pakistan army carrying weapon , this attitude is objectionable .

Our concept not to carry gun in mosque is also wrong, we should change our attitude that police and army are not only responsible for our security .

Society always play important role for security that is reason five time prayer is emphesis to creat a sense of unity among muslims.

Second most important thing is to creat culture of volunteer social service in society.

I agree but we need govt. support and despite the fact that we have ideas, nothing will materialize.
And attitude which we are discussing can be gauged from the point that we don't have a hotline.... where we can report any unusual activity directly to trust worthy army.
If army is not interested in having PR than its unfortunate for them.
I suggest ISPR advertise a hotline for reporting security related suspicious incidents.
 
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