Losing my religion: If minority communities have the right to convert others then so does the majori

[Neemo neemo]

Give minorities their independence if you guys dont have heart to tolerate them on your land

Did you give independence to your minorities since you do not have tolerance for them?

Freedom is not about giving someone food, water or shelter. If this was the sheer definition of freedom then those living creatures who are being caged can also be considered as free. You can also get food in prison.
My point is the muslim and christian community dont have religious security in india. They have been converted in masses, which is being backed by general public and supported by government. And this is not the new case and neither will be the last.

And as far as azan is concerned i have heard a news few months ago regarding it that hindus organized a protest demanding government to ban fajr azan. So this is the exact freedom which i am talking about. If you guys cant give them right to practise onto their religion then plz kindly give them their seperate homeland, where they could live peacefully.

do i need to point fingers at pakistan in same context? you will lose my friend.

 

[mujhaidind]

And why is that?

First of all Christianity isn't a religion. It's a political ideology. Jesus was a jew. He preached to Jews. There is no proof that he even started a new religion. He died as a jew. Look what he said below:
John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

This means fake Christians can't achieve salvation.

@sreekumar @jha

 

[Blue_Eyes]

Freedom is not about giving someone food, water or shelter. If this was the sheer definition of freedom then those living creatures who are being caged can also be considered as free. You can also get food in prison.
My point is the muslim and christian community dont have religious security in india. They have been converted in masses, which is being backed by general public and supported by government. And this is not the new case and neither will be the last.

And as far as azan is concerned i have heard a news few months ago regarding it that hindus organized a protest demanding government to ban fajr azan. So this is the exact freedom which i am talking about. If you guys cant give them right to practise onto their religion then plz kindly give them their seperate homeland, where they could live peacefully.

I sense conspiracy in your post, seperate land?? hmm what if I say you are living in a separete land that is made for the muslims?
I was talking about freedom in cities not in prison, yes i know ppl can live in prison too, but thats not the answer which you have picked from my post.
and before commenting on others minorities please check your country first.
as far as conversion is concerned, muslims also convert hindus and christians, is that not fair??
its fair totally as long as they are doing it peacefully, but not by violence and lies and not by taking the advantage of illiteracy..

 

[pakdefender]

Yeah, But it should happen by gangrapes and abductions.

Such hypocrisy.

India, which is birthplace of hinduism includes most of Pakistan a well.

whaddya say mate?

Pakistan is successor state of Muslim armies that marched into the sub-continent , also the natives of the land were not really hindus even before the armies arrives and that's why they supported removal of hindu rule ,as in the case of Raja Dahir

Also before Islamic arrival , the people of the indus plains were rivals of people of the gangetic plains , the hinduism as it is today with statues of monkey-god , elephant-god , sanke-god etc was born in india of today and not in plains of indus so in india's that case ghar wapsi makes sense but not in case of Pakistan , although Asma Jhangir and Hamid Mir I've heard want to do ghar wapsi

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Pakistan is successor state of Muslim armies that marched into the sub-continent , also the natives of the land were not really hindus even before the armies arrives and that's why they supported removal of hindu rule ,as in the case of Raja Dahir

Also before Islamic arrival , the people of the indus plains were rivals of people of the gangetic plains , the hinduism as it is today with statues of monkey-god , elephant-god , sanke-god etc was born in india of today and not in plains of indus so in india's that case ghar wapsi makes sense but not in case of Pakistan , although Asma Jhangir and Hamid Mir I've heard want to do ghar wapsi

It is people like you that make me feel good while I am on PDF.

Read about -
i. Direct Action Day. Pakistan was created due to this - a deliberate planned pogrom of massive proportions.
ii. I can give many examples but you can start with Panini. Also check the source of the names of your major cities.

 

[Wolfhound]

do i need to point fingers at pakistan in same context? you will lose my friend.

please do

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

Did you give independence to your minorities since you do not have tolerance for them?

Sorry we didnt gave them independence but we did gave them our love and respect. Look at our country, i know you will disagree with me but there is a large population of non muslims living peacefully in our country which are as patriotic as any muslims in Pakistan. And we are proud of them. I had my friend two chiristian friends in school and one hindu friend in my collage. And guess what they are still here. We didnt threatened them to leave Pakistan and to take asylum in india neither are we forcing them to change their religion. We have hindus, chiristans and all other minorities in our society and guess what we have hindus and christians in our army too which are kicking stinky buut of rented terrorists.
And one more thing that we also havent made ghar wapsi type of thing in our country.

(And just have a look at the pictures which i have attached in this post and see how christians and hindus are being treated in our country.)

do i need to point fingers at pakistan in same context? you will lose my friend.

Look my friend its not about who will win & who will lose, just think for a second that what you guys are doing! you guys are weakening your country. What if tomorrow someone rise up against this bruitality and put forth a demand of seperate home land, then what will you gonna do? You guys are creating your own graves.

I sense conspiracy in your post, seperate land?? hmm what if I say you are living in a separete land that is made for the muslims?.

I was talking about indian muslims , not Pakistani muslims. We are living here because its our land and we are locals. While those muslims who are living in india are indians. If you guys oppress them then they will certainly gonna go for independence

I was talking about freedom in cities not in prison, yes i know ppl can live in prison too, but thats not the answer which you have picked from my post..

hey sister! you dont consider religious freedom as part of basic human rights?

and before commenting on others minorities please check your country first..

(Plz kindly have a look at the pics which i have attached in this post)

as far as conversion is concerned, muslims also convert hindus and christians, is that not fair??.

Conversion is good as long as its done by religious preachings instead of the state itself.

its fair totally as long as they are doing it peacefully, but not by violence and lies and not by taking the advantage of illiteracy..

I agree but what do you think about poverty? Is it also unfair to take the advantage of poverty?

It is people like you that make me feel good while I am on PDF.
Read about -
i. Direct Action Day. Pakistan was created due to this - a deliberate planned pogrom of massive proportions.
ii. I can give many examples but you can start with Panini. Also check the source of the names of your major cities.

Mate Pakistan was created because of this hindu mentality which we see every now and then.




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[Kaniska]

quote my one post where i did ,i don't care about your minorities.
Its beyond your understanding,Stay on topic if you can.

Dude...every one has right to convert with their own will to whatever they want...period...The issue is happening because people are rasing voice for conversion to Hinudism not the other way around...Typical sekuclar looser parties does not have any agenda for economic area..rather shouting on unnecessary issues..

 

[Blue_Eyes]

I was talking about indian muslims , not Pakistani muslims. We are living here because its our land and we are locals. While those muslims who are living in india are indians. If you guys oppress them then they will certainly gonna go for independence

I was too talking about Indians.
Perhaps You have forgotten what was two nation theory

hey sister! you dont consider religious freedom as part of basic human rights?

its in Indian constitution, no one can stop them to believe and practice their religion.

I agree but what do you think about poverty? Is it also unfair to take the advantage of poverty?

yes it is unfair, in west bengal many hindus were/are being converted due to their poverty.

@Pakistani shaheens repected brother here is some videos about your minorities,
there are 10s of more and plus 100s of articles by your own danishwers!

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

I was too talking about Indians.
Perhaps You have forgotten what was two nation theory

Ok sis! one simple question, do you consider muslims living in your country indians or Pakistani?

yes it is unfair, in west bengal many hindus were/are being converted due to their poverty.

What do you think about hindus, who are giving 2-3 lakh to christians and 5 Lakh to muslims for becoming hindu? Is it legal for their case?

@Pakistani shaheens repected brother here is some videos about your minorities,
there are 10s of more and plus 100s of articles by your own danishwers!

But its also an undeniable fact that ghar wapsi type of things only exist in india not in Pakistan!.

 

[bongbang]

 

[Wolfhound]

I was too talking about Indians.
Perhaps You have forgotten what was two nation theory.

yes it is unfair, in west bengal many hindus were/are being converted due to their poverty.

Trust me no true pakistani ever forgets the two nation theory.If you truly believe it is unfair why dont you say or do anything about it?If this were to happen in pak you would be greatly disappointed as well

 

[MohitV]

Christian group claims to have converted over 80,000 people in India this year - Sanskriti - Indian Culture

 

[Blue_Eyes]

Ok sis! one simple question, do you consider muslims living in your country indians or Pakistani?

obviously they are Indian as long as they believe in our constitution.

What do you think about hindus, who are giving 2-3 lakh to christians and 5 Lakh to muslims for becoming hindu? Is it legal for their case?

If they are willing to change their religion on the basis of religious beliefs only then economical support is good but if they are changing it for money its illegal.
But tell me one thing forcefully conversion of hindus using swords in mugal era, was that good?

But its also an undeniable fact that ghar wapsi type of things only exist in india not in Pakistan!.

will give you answer for this after you give me answer on forcefully conversions.

 

[vegav]

Freedom is not about giving someone food, water or shelter. If this was the sheer definition of freedom then those living creatures who are being caged can also be considered as free. You can also get food in prison.
My point is the muslim and christian community dont have religious security in india. They have been converted in masses, which is being backed by general public and supported by government. And this is not the new case and neither will be the last.

And as far as azan is concerned i have heard a news few months ago regarding it that hindus organized a protest demanding government to ban fajr azan. So this is the exact freedom which i am talking about. If you guys cant give them right to practise onto their religion then plz kindly give them their seperate homeland, where they could live peacefully.

lollipop milega,3 rs daam ke.

Pakistan is successor state of Muslim armies that marched into the sub-continent , also the natives of the land were not really hindus even before the armies arrives and that's why they supported removal of hindu rule ,as in the case of Raja Dahir

Also before Islamic arrival , the people of the indus plains were rivals of people of the gangetic plains , the hinduism as it is today with statues of monkey-god , elephant-god , sanke-god etc was born in india of today and not in plains of indus so in india's that case ghar wapsi makes sense but not in case of Pakistan , although Asma Jhangir and Hamid Mir I've heard want to do ghar wapsi

Not at all,the native people of both lands,Khatris and Rajputs co exist now and they have no issues.

Pakistan is the actually the Ghar vapasi of all muslims of India,i hope they do complete ghar vapasi and retreat to arabia.