Looking for pension of my dead father for 30 years

[Pasaris]

salam to all,
friends i am writing this on the behalf of a sister who is living in miserable condition

her father was in Pakistan Army and retired as Havaldar in 1968,
He received pension till his death in june 1982.

this sister was at that time 1.5 years old.

her mother was not a literate lady and was young too so she got remarried.

her mother died in 2011 and now she is totally helpless financially.

it has been 30 years since her family has not received single paisa from Pakistan army though they tried but lack of education and bad financially condition didn't let them go further as the case was shifted to kohat.

now i want to know from people who have knowledge about pension procedure that is there any chance for this sister to get pension of her father from army.

 

[Pasaris]

Admin , multi posted single post as my browser got stuck. please remove one

thanks

 

[FaujHistorian]

salam to all,
friends i am writing this on the behalf of a sister who is living in miserable condition

her father was in Pakistan Army and retired as Havaldar in 1968,
He received pension till his death in june 1982.

this sister was at that time 1.5 years old.

her mother was not a literate lady and was young too so she got remarried.

her mother died in 2011 and now she is totally helpless financially.

it has been 30 years since her family has not received single paisa from Pakistan army though they tried but lack of education and bad financially condition didn't let them go further as the case was shifted to kohat.

now i want to know from people who have knowledge about pension procedure that is there any chance for this sister to get pension of her father from army.

Hats off to our veterans. Our Ghazis and our Shaheeds. Without their sacrifices we won't be here enjoying the fruits of freedom and liberty.


OK. let me understand what you are saying.

1. Retired Havildar got his pension until he died. (from 1968-1982 - 14 years of retirement)
2. After the death of husband, his widow DID not get "survivor's benefits" (from 1982-to- 2011- 19 years)
3. After the death of the father, his daughter did not get any benefits (last 30 years - 1982-2013)


Haven't seen this specific case.

And no you don't have to be super educated to contact your father/husband's regimental center.


#2 - may have some legitimacy. But your description is rather vague.

#3 - I am not sure if kids of our veterans get direct financial benefits when both mum and dad are gone.

Generally boys are given an army job.

but this daughter is now how old? 1967-2013 means 46 years old (if she was 1.5 yo when his father retired), or 1980-2013 means 33 yo (if she was 1.5 years old when her father died) . That means she probably is a mother to grown up kids if not a grand mother to may be 15 grankids.

In our society, kids are the first line of "social security". What's going on in there?






In summary: She should contact the regimental center of her dad.

Posting half -cooked story is not a good idea.


peace

 

[Sugarcane]

@FaujHistorian - Thanks i didn't noticed dates

 

[livingdead]

@LoveIcon : The daughter is now 31+ years .. not 46 years. I am guessing she is unmarried and not have enough financial support from step father.

 

[Sugarcane]

@LoveIcon : The daughter is now 31+ years .. not 46 years. I am guessing she is unmarried and not have enough financial support from step father.

Yara - no offense to OP but story looks little odd unless his father married again in old age.

 

[livingdead]

Yara - no offense to OP but story looks little odd unless his father married again in old age.

ya.. sounds dodgy to have a daughter at such old age..

 

[FaujHistorian]

salam to all,
friends i am writing this on the behalf of a sister who is living in miserable condition

her father was in Pakistan Army and retired as Havaldar in 1968,
He received pension till his death in june 1982.

this sister was at that time 1.5 years old.

her mother was not a literate lady and was young too so she got remarried.

her mother died in 2011 and now she is totally helpless financially.

it has been 30 years since her family has not received single paisa from Pakistan army though they tried but lack of education and bad financially condition didn't let them go further as the case was shifted to kohat.

now i want to know from people who have knowledge about pension procedure that is there any chance for this sister to get pension of her father from army.

My dear poster,

Here is the info you must pass on to this family.



Facilitation Center Service

We have assigned dedicated personnel to attend visitors and phone calls from our valued clients, in terms of the following priorities:

Priority #1: Attend visiting pensioners and receive pension bills & option forms.

Priority #2: Attend telephonic queries – 051-9270738.

Priority #3: Attend representatives of pensioners and executive authorities.

• Normal complaints are handled by DCMA and Group Officer.
• Serious complaints are personally handled by the Controller.

Note: Our valued pensioners are requested not to visit the sections of CMA (OP) as they are essentially manned by our operating staff. Please feel free to meet our Accounts Officers, Group Officer, Deputy Controller and the Controller, any time during office hours.


CMA (Officer's Pension) Pensioners' Facilitation :: PMAD::


Hope this helps.

 

[Jango]

I don't think that after wife, pension is continued further.

 

[FaujHistorian]

This blog is for a Shaheed's family (but usually the same applies for Ghazis).


Really touches your heart. You must be made of stone, if you don't get teary eyed after reading this.


How good are Pakistan army's pension rules for martyrs


TUESDAY, JUNE 19, 2012

One of my uncles died in an army operation in Balochistan. My widow aunt preferred to live with her parents instead of her inn-laws due to reasons I will discuss later.

For the family of an army’s martyr, things are not easy to manage. The stress and grief after the death is grave. The Pakistan army has a systematic approach towards dealing with the families of martyrs. The system is so convenient and smooth that the widow or her children do not have to go to any office and stand in queues to get pension and other benefits.

It has been a couple of years since my uncle died. My aunt can recollect the events after his death with a relative composed state of mind. The funeral was ceremonial and it was organized by the army in Rawalpindi’s race course graveyard, where my uncle was later buried along with other army officials who also died in the same incident.

After we returned to my uncle’s ancestral house, someone from the army called my aunt’s cell phone. Knowing that she won’t be able to understand the matter in issue, they asked her to give the telephone to a trusted relative. The person on the other side of the telephone asked for her bank account number. Soon PKR 200,000 were transferred in my aunt’s account for post funeral expenses. This amount was not deducted from pension or benevolent fund. No one from the army came to get my aunt’s signatures on any receipt nor she asked the army for that amount.

The army is equally well aware of the social turmoil the family of a martyr has to undergo. There are so many pressures on the widow such as:- she marry the brother of her deceased husband or transfer the pension amount in the accounts of parents or brothers of her deceased husband. Army’s pension rules are favoured towards the widow instead of deceased’s parents.

During the third week of my uncle’s death, there was another call from the army. At that time, my aunt was living with us as it was impossible for her to live in the house of her in-laws. This time, the gentleman on the phone line, wanted to know about her account number wherein the army can transfer benevolent fund, gratuity and monthly pension. My aunt gave her account number and the money was transferred in her account immediately. The whole process involved not a single visit to any office or meeting with any official. After a few days some papers arrived in post, which my aunt was required to read, sign and send them back, which she did accordingly.

My deceased uncle had applied for a house which he was to get after his retirement and that too after paying a huge chunk from his gratuity and benevolent fund. But in case of martyrs all remaining installments are waived off. My aunt’s in-laws wanted her to get the house in Rawalpindi where they live and they had informed officials about the choice of the city without my aunt’s consent. My aunt was composed enough to think logically. She had sensed that her in-laws may deprive her of the benefits that the house would yield in future. She telephoned the relevant department once and the city was changed. She was requested to visit an army housing society in Lahore and get the possession of her house. The first house among 2,200 under-construction houses was constructed on priority and delivered to her.

We thought that the post-martyrdom benefits have ended and thanked the army for its support. For the army, things didn’t stop there. The army invites my aunt and her son on various functions. My aunt rarely attends official functions but happily goes to meet other army wives in private functions.

My cousin passed his matriculation exam with good marks and his father’s unit gifted him an expensive gadget which a loving father would give to his son. The only thing my aunt and her son misses is my uncle’s presence to see how well they are being looked after by the institution and the country for which he gave his life for.

Posted by Hamid Rashid Gondal at 4:07:00 PM

How good are Pakistan army's pension rules for martyrs



p.s. do read the comments.

 

[Xeric]

Pension system of our Army is the best that our country can provide, being part of the outfit, i simply refuse to accept that someone would have been (deliberately) overlooked.

A very comprehensive procedure exists to help out family members of Shaheeds and others, e.g there's a proper board headed by a brigadier whose sole job is to resolve issues arising out of pensions dispensation especially if there's a problem among the claimants etc.

We take welfare of our troops very very seriously. Apart from discipline, this is one thing we dont tolerate screwing up with.

 

[Pasaris]

Hats off to our veterans. Our Ghazis and our Shaheeds. Without their sacrifices we won't be here enjoying the fruits of freedom and liberty.


OK. let me understand what you are saying.

1. Retired Havildar got his pension until he died. (from 1968-1982 - 14 years of retirement)
2. After the death of husband, his widow DID not get "survivor's benefits" (from 1982-to- 2011- 19 years)
3. After the death of the father, his daughter did not get any benefits (last 30 years - 1982-2013)


Haven't seen this specific case.

And no you don't have to be super educated to contact your father/husband's regimental center.


#2 - may have some legitimacy. But your description is rather vague.

#3 - I am not sure if kids of our veterans get direct financial benefits when both mum and dad are gone.

Generally boys are given an army job.

but this daughter is now how old? 1967-2013 means 46 years old (if she was 1.5 yo when his father retired), or 1980-2013 means 33 yo (if she was 1.5 years old when her father died) . That means she probably is a mother to grown up kids if not a grand mother to may be 15 grankids.

In our society, kids are the first line of "social security". What's going on in there?






In summary: She should contact the regimental center of her dad.

Posting half -cooked story is not a good idea.


peace

Facts :
1. Retired Havildar got his pension until he died. (from 1968-1982 - 14 years of retirement)--- i will recheck documents as i guess the pension started sometime after retirment but not sure but he definitely received last pension 1982 YES
2. After the death of husband, his widow DID not get "survivor's benefits" (from 1982-to- 2011- 19 years) The widow didn't got any benefit for 29 years not 19 years YES
3. After the death of the father, his daughter did not get any benefits (last 30 years - 1982-2013) YES

the girl is 33 years old and is unmarried
Her father got married at old age after retiring from Army
girl is living with relatives not step father (as he left her mother in 1999 because of her illness and got 2nd marriage)
they tried their best and their case was transferred from kohat to abbotabad but how will you afford fare to go from one place to another when you cant afford rent of house,utility bills and eating expenditures
her mother was also bed ridden for past 9 years as she was suffering from diabetes for 25 years,
due to poor condition and health issues of mother this girl didn't got married as her mother couldn't even go to toilet on her own

Note

I know I can't be exact about this case but at least I am raising voice for an orphan poor girl who is dependent upon others for her survival.

I also understand that not some but all of you have doubts about this story in your minds as this is an exception and exception can be good as well as bad

i have check all her father's documents personally

not all people around us are as lucky as brother FaujHistorian's aunt

why i posted here :

I am a 26 year old boy who has no army background and don't know anything about army procedures so i thought before going for practical efforts i should consult people who know better than me, so that without wondering from office to office i would reach the exact place where the issue is resolved or otherwise

thanks

 

[Xeric]

Facts :
1. Retired Havildar got his pension until he died. (from 1968-1982 - 14 years of retirement)--- i will recheck documents as i guess the pension started sometime after retirment but not sure but he definitely received last pension 1982 YES
2. After the death of husband, his widow DID not get "survivor's benefits" (from 1982-to- 2011- 19 years) The widow didn't got any benefit for 29 years not 19 years YES
3. After the death of the father, his daughter did not get any benefits (last 30 years - 1982-2013) YES

the girl is 33 years old and is unmarried
Her father got married at old age after retiring from Army
girl is living with relatives not step father (as he left her mother in 1999 because of her illness and got 2nd marriage)
they tried their best and their case was transferred from kohat to abbotabad but how will you afford fare to go from one place to another when you cant afford rent of house,utility bills and eating expenditures
her mother was also bed ridden for past 9 years as she was suffering from diabetes for 25 years,
due to poor condition and health issues of mother this girl didn't got married as her mother couldn't even go to toilet on her own

Note

I know I can't be exact about this case but at least I am raising voice for an orphan poor girl who is dependent upon others for her survival.

I also understand that not some but all of you have doubts about this story in your minds as this is an exception and exception can be good as well as bad

i have check all her father's documents personally

not all people around us are as lucky as brother FaujHistorian's aunt

why i posted here :

I am a 26 year old boy who has no army background and don't know anything about army procedures so i thought before going for practical efforts i should consult people who know better than me, so that without wondering from office to office i would reach the exact place where the issue is resolved or otherwise

thanks

i am unable to understand the issue here?

The procedure is simple; a soldier retires, but before that he will open an account at his nearest GPO (now a days bank account option is also available). The account reference / number is then sent to the respective Records which will release his pension on monthly basis which the retiree can get by producing his pay book etc.

Now when he dies, his wife will start getting almost half of the pension provided the death has been intimated at the GPO and new docs have been prepared in her name. She gets the pension benefits until either she passes away or gets married. In the former case the pension transfers to the children who receives it till any of them turns 18. In the later case, the pension is stopped.

Now, what's your case?

Please advice the effectee family to approach the concern GPO and inquire the reason for withholding the pension (provided it was stopped at the first place).

 

[FaujHistorian]

^^

Thank you Xeric. This is pretty straightforward answer.


Bro Psaris, If you can post and repost and repost and reply on PDF, Why could you not do a google search to find the info.

You are 26 old man, you have every right to criticize Pak army, Pak nation, etc.


but you must show that you have contacted the pension office of the army, the regimental office, or anyone before posting or at least continuing your argument.


Remember, there are specific rules for federal employees and their retirement.

Army soldiers and officers have to follow the same rules as the Federal employees.

What if the retiree is not a soldier but federal employee in Islamabad.


Do you think that Pak government (or US or UK government dealing with their own federal employees) is responsible for paying retiree benefits to the kids and grandkids and great grandkids until the Qiamat?


No government does that.

What you really are saying (and I respect that) that there is a 33 years old un-emplyed woman and Pakistani society needs to give her food, and shelter and marry her off.


Thus it may not be an army issue, but the issue for our society.

And unfortunately you are making this army-specific.



Please try to go on federal gov website and educate yourself about the specific rules that deal with retirees, pension benefits, and who can get what and for how long.

Don't be a "parah Likha- be-waqoof" by starting endless arguments/posts without specific evidence that Federal government rules were broken and violated.

thank you


p.s. Nothing personal. Just want to point out that your posts and followup is not fully documented. Hope you understand.

 

[Kaniska]

Sorry dude..how can a daughter be 1.5 year when his fater dies almost at the age more than 70? Do you think it is odd?