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No, let me correct you and @313ghazi he was born in West Asia in Semetic peoples which includes Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic etc.

Calling the region in such convoluted terms as Middle East or Levant is merely expresson of a agenda. We might as well call Greece Occident, Italy etc Middle West and reserve the term Europe only for the blonde Amigos of the frigid north west.
Historicall that is very true. Ancient Greece was just extension of West Asia and part of the ancient Egypt, Phoenician, Canaan, Hitite, Sumerian etc civilizatiions. Ancient Greeks showed no interest in what later was named Europe. Nearly 2,000 years later after North West rose and economic/military power pulled the Greeks into it's fold.

I would not say no interest. We founded many colonies in Italy, Sardinia, Siciliy. But main focus was east and Egypt back then
 
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When did Pakistan and Afghanistan come in middle east?

Its not far east, right?

We divide in Greece in 3 parts.

Near East: Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan

Middle East: Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan ect

Far East: China, Japan, Korea

Thats the system we use
 
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I did. 🙂

The Levante is near east. Middle east is starting at Iran.
The term Middle East was used by colonizers of western Europe which we often wrongly use.

The true name is west of Asia and unlike what Brits imagined, Greenwich is not center of the earth. On the contrary, west of Asia is a better choice to base the geographical zones upon.
 
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Its not far east, right?

We divide in Greece in 3 parts.

Near East: Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan

Middle East: Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan ect

Far East: China, Japan, Korea

Thats the system we use
India is middle east than?...
 
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I would not say no interest. We founded many colonies in Italy, Sardinia, Siciliy. But main focus was east and Egypt back then
That is like tickling the toes of a elephant. You barely touched it. Your entire ancient existence was as part of the West Asian civilizations - indeed civilization was born in West Asia and then spread to your shores. Your script, your culture owed a lot to West Asia. The so called supremacist Europeans like Germans or Nordics were runing around with half exposed testicles in sheep skin when this all was happening. After you colonized and gifted the what are now Italians giving birth to Roman Empire. Interestingly that empire that Europe - most vociferously the Anglo-Noridics who cry on about and have even made their cities clones of it - London, Washington, St. Persburgh etc were then savages. Roman Empire was destroyed by Vandals, Goths etc or forefathers of the Germans. For over 5,000 years these people lived in state of savagery.

Only in last millenia and particularly preceeding 5,00 years have they rose and today think they are superior. Ignoring that Egypt remained top dog for oveer 3,000 years. In fact Ancient Greece had more interactions with coterminous Pakistan then with most of Europe. As a person of Pakistani origin I draw pride from Indus Valley Civilization which predated Greece by millenia and later the rise of the Greco-Gandhara kingdoms in what is today North West Pakistan.

Rise of Alexander. Funny thing today you see more 'Alexanders in Russia, USA, Northern Europe then anywhere else.


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There are many Christian/jewish terrorist groups/orgs but you will never hear about them because its all kosher...Only halal is traif.
 
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The term Middle East was used by colonizers of western Europe which we often wrongly use.
These are Eurocentric and colonial imposed divisions on us. They divide us. For themselves they have reified this idea of Europe which like a amorphous cloud just expands everywhere where it suits them or use the even more plasticised term 'western' which strectches to Australia to America.

On the other hand Iran is Middle East, Pakistan is Asia, turkey is Europe, Palestine is Levant. Wtf?

Like I said it would be like calling Greece Occident, Italy Middle West Spain South West and just using Europe for UK, Germany, France etc.
 
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That is like tickling the toes of a elephant. You barely touched it. Your entire ancient existence was as part of the West Asian civilizations - indeed civilization was born in West Asia and then spread to your shores. Your script, your culture owed a lot to West Asia. The so called supremacist Europeans like Germans or Nordics were runing around with half exposed testicles in sheep skin when this all was happening. After you colonized and gifted the what are now Italians giving birth to Roman Empire. Interestingly that empire that Europe - most vociferously the Anglo-Noridics who cry on about and have even made their cities clones of it - London, Washington, St. Persburgh etc were then savages. Roman Empire was destroyed by Vandals, Goths etc or forefathers of the Germans. For over 5,000 years these people lived in state of savagery.

Only in last millenia and particularly preceeding 5,00 years have they rose and today think they are superior. Ignoring that Egypt remained top dog for oveer 3,000 years. In fact Ancient Greece had more interactions with coterminous Pakistan then with most of Europe. As a person of Pakistani origin I draw pride from Indus Valley Civilization which predated Greece by millenia and later the rise of the Greco-Gandhara kingdoms in what is today North West Pakistan.

Rise of Alexander. Funny thing today you see more 'Alexanders in Russia, USA, Northern Europe then anywhere else.


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Let me thank you dear sir instead of @Apollon for teaching us all historical and geographical facts.
 
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These are Eurocentric and colonial imposed divisions on us. They divide us. For themselves they have reified this idea of Europe which like a amorphous cloud just expands everywhere where it suits them or use the even more plasticised term 'western' which strectches to Australia to America.

On the other hand Iran is Middle East, Pakistan is Asia, turkey is Europe, Palestine is Levant. Wtf?

Like I said it would be like calling Greece Occident, Italy Middle West Spain South West and just using Europe for UK, Germany, France etc.

How old was Indus Valley civilisation?
 
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Let me thank you dear sir instead of @Apollon for teaching us all historical and geographical facts.
These people talk about western objective based history. It's all ball oxe. I was much enamoured by it growing and recieved educationto university level. But as I got older I saw it was all just a scam. For instance Christianty is pitted as fountain of western civilization and Islam as well of backwardness. Then after that mass culling of Jews in 1940s guilt trip began and they have now framed this new term called Judo-Christian civilization. After having almost genocided them they have not embraced them and now target Islam as some alien force.

Fact is Islam, Christian, Judaism are three brothers from the same mother. All are scions of West Asia, of Semetic peoples. Plot Jerusalam, Bethlehem, Mecca, Medina on Europe and they are like Glasgow, London and Paris. Meaning they are even from the same turf. Yet the Europeans will talk as if Islam is from Mars and Christianity is from Oxford.

To help make my point just look below at the annotated map by me which uses a map referance distance tool and you can impose that on any region. If Nazareth was placed over Dundee, UK, Jerusalem would fall over Endinburg, UK. Medina would fall over Paris with Mecca over Lyon, France, Members should see this is all with about 600 miles of the same region of North West Europe. France and UK are contigous countries. Yet these people will talk as if Christian came from Pluto and Islam from Mars. Fact is it was same piece of land, same Semetic peoples of Western Asia who birthed theses three great religions which went on to define most of the worlds history.

I ask members to unshackle themselves from the western imposed rendition of geography and history. It is exposition of colonial mind. Get free from it.

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How old was Indus Valley civilisation?
The earlier phase is at least 4,000 BCE. However Mehr Garh and other prot-Indus sites in Western Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran go back even earlier and are about contemperory with Mesopotamians. Indeed there is evidence of trading with Mesopotamia etc.

I need to clarify that Indus Valley Civilization had a it's pivot the Indus river which like Nile in Egypt forms Pakistan main artery. Just like Egypt is often a target of Africans claiming it as a 'African' civilization mostly because of the name 'Africa' and this phenomenon is called Afrocentrism. In same way our inferiorty ridden neigbours the Indiansa claim our heritage as 'Indian' even if IVC sits in Pakistan.

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