Life-size sculpture of Ranjit Singh to be unveiled at Lahore Fort

[Sugarcane]

As far as Fawad Chaudhary gol gupa's tweet is concerned, "The Punjabi Supremacy" part was surely an idiotic. However, We should learn to evaluate good/bad of past rulers in historical contests and norms of that time, Rajneet Singh's surely did committed accesses against Muslims (specially those who rose against him) - there's no doubt about it but Muslim rulers of that time weren't much different either - Just like we have proverb "Sikha Shahi" in Punjabi, we also have "khada peeta lahe da, baqi Ahmed shahe da". So, If we want to have constrictive debate on rulers of past than best way is to compare good vs bad, and short term and long term, positive/negative impact of their acts. We must stop being hyper sensitive and paranoid bunch, someone creating statue of any past ruler or appreciating/criticizing him/her isn't going to change any thing. Creating Statues aren't allowed anyway if we talk from prospective of being Islamic/Muslim, doesn't matter if the statue is of Non-Muslim or Holy Muslim personality.

 

[Vapnope]

Do you know what a Shaheed is?

Clearly you have no idea. You can check what PA writes for its soldiers irrespective of their religious backgrounds. But hey a bigot isn't suppose to know this..

Cucks are people who love invaders and plunderers and feel shy to own son of soils. So yeah You must have seen yourself in a mirror.

 

[Maxpane]

better than nadir shah abdali and babur

 

[SIPRA]

As far as Fawad Chaudhary gol gupa's tweet is concerned, "The Punjabi Supremacy" part was surely an idiotic. However, We should learn to evaluate good/bad of past rulers in historical contests and norms of that time, Rajneet Singh's surely did committed accesses against Muslims (specially those who rose against him) - there's no doubt about it but Muslim rulers of that time weren't much different either - Just like we have proverb "Sikha Shahi" in Punjabi, we also have "khada peeta lahe da, baqi Ahmed shahe da". So, If we want to have constrictive debate on rulers of past than best way is to compare good vs bad, and short term and long term, positive/negative impact of their acts. We must stop being hyper sensitive and paranoid bunch, someone creating statue of any past ruler or appreciating/criticizing him/her isn't going to change any thing. Creating Statues aren't allowed anyway if we talk from prospective of being Islamic/Muslim, doesn't matter if the statue is of Non-Muslim or Holy Muslim personality.

A very sane and reasonable suggestion, but most would not pay heed to it; since, I believe, as per your Signature line, "m" is also silent or altogether missing in the most of the "masses" of PDF.

Otherwise, as well, I am of the view, that discussions on historical personalities and incidences, except for some academic pursuit, are, by and large, futile and useless, particularly, when we try to translate and transpose those medieval periods, to the current context.

 

[Reddington]

Just like we have proverb "Sikha Shahi" in Punjabi, we also have "khada peeta lahe da, baqi Ahmed shahe da".

Waris shah was one of the biggest cucks ever. He sucked up to his Sikh masters and never criticised his Khalsa masters. Abdali should have dealt with that ungrateful snake the same way he dealt with his Sikh masters.

@Taimur Khurram

 

[B.K.N]

Waris shah

He wasn't murderer or dakait he was just a poet what is your problem with him

 

[SIPRA]

Waris shah was one of the biggest cucks ever. He sucked up to his Sikh masters and never criticised his Khalsa masters. Abdali should have dealt with that ungrateful snake the same way he dealt with his Sikh masters.

The verse, you have alluded to, is not of Syed Waris Shah; it is of Baba Bulley Shah.

 

[El Sidd]

Lovely.

Now drop the hypocrisy of an Islamic republic.

You will be extinct before that happens

 

[Sugarcane]

Waris shah was one of the biggest cucks ever. He sucked up to his Sikh masters and never criticised his Khalsa masters. Abdali should have dealt with that ungrateful snake the same way he dealt with his Sikh masters.

@Taimur Khurram

You have cuck measuring instrument handy.

 

[Pakistani E]

Just because he fought against "Afghan invaders", it doesn't necessarily mean he's suddenly our hero. Ranjit Singh's rise, and the rise of the Sikh misl's previously, didn't really bring any benefit to the Punjabi Muslims either. Infact, many people lost lands to them, including my own family. Which is also partly why, so many Punjabi Muslim tribes sided with the British over the Sikhs.

That said, history should be taught without too much bias, so I have no problem with teaching history in itself. But making statues and sculptures of these people? Are we going back to the age of idolatry now?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Waris shah was one of the biggest cucks ever. He sucked up to his Sikh masters and never criticised his Khalsa masters. Abdali should have dealt with that ungrateful snake the same way he dealt with his Sikh masters.

@Taimur Khurram

No one is perfect, neither was Waris Shah.

Without Ahmad Shah Abdali, Pakistan would never have been made and the Sikh empire would have eventually changed the demographics of the region by force.

Even in 1947, Sikhs were fueled by false bravado of Ranjit Singh and his ilk against innocent Muslims, of whom one million were kidnapped, raped, murdered instantly or set on fire alive.

Individual Sikhs might be decent, but there is a strong current of anti-Islam and anti-Muslim hate in their religion and history.

 

[Hamza913]

better than nadir shah abdali and babur

Nobody heroises Nader Shah lol, why do people keep lumping him in with the others?

As for Abdali, we can't just ignore the heroes of our second largest ethnic group.

Babur founded what would become the largest Muslim empire in India, which has influenced our culture greatly (dare I say it, of all pre-1947 entities, the Mughal Empire was the most similar to modern day Pakistan in terms of culture), and whilst his lineage may have started as foreign (although, I would argue that being a Persianised Turco-Mongol means he is related to our Hazara population), it did end up assimilating into the region. His army also consisted of many locals who assisted him, e.g Sarang Khan was a Punjabi who earned the title of "Sultan" for fighting with him. His very own autobiography even speaks of the Yousefzai, Gujjars, Jats and Gakhars that assisted him in his campaigns.

And you have to understand, without these Muslim rulers, Pakistan wouldn't exist today. These rulers spread Islam throughout the region, if they had not done so, there wouldn't be a Pakistan today (as our nation split because of Islam).

 

[Reddington]

The verse, you have alluded to, is not of Syed Waris Shah; it is of Baba Bulley Shah.

Waris Shah said that. Not Baba Bulleh Shah.

 

[Maxpane]

Nobody heroises Nader Shah lol, why do people keep lumping him in with the others?

As for Abdali, we can't just ignore the heroes of our second largest ethnic group.

Babur founded what would become the largest Muslim empire in India, which has influenced our culture greatly (dare I say it, of all pre-1947 entities, the Mughal Empire was the most similar to modern day Pakistan in terms of culture), and whilst his lineage may have started as foreign (although, I would argue that being a Persianised Turco-Mongol means he is related to our Hazara population), it did end up assimilating into the region. His army also consisted of many locals who assisted him, e.g Sarang Khan was a Punjabi who earned the title of "Sultan" for fighting with him. His very own autobiography even speaks of the Yousefzai, Gujjars, Jats and Gakhars that assisted him in his campaigns.

And you have to understand, without these Muslim rulers, Pakistan wouldn't exist today. These rulers spread Islam throughout the region, if they had not done so, there wouldn't be a Pakistan today (as our nation split because of Islam).

babur fight agianst muslim ruler so where was the concept of muslim ummah and brotherhood

 

[Hamza913]

As far as Fawad Chaudhary gol gupa's tweet is concerned, "The Punjabi Supremacy" part was surely an idiotic. However, We should learn to evaluate good/bad of past rulers in historical contests and norms of that time, Rajneet Singh's surely did committed accesses against Muslims (specially those who rose against him) - there's no doubt about it but Muslim rulers of that time weren't much different either - Just like we have proverb "Sikha Shahi" in Punjabi, we also have "khada peeta lahe da, baqi Ahmed shahe da". So, If we want to have constrictive debate on rulers of past than best way is to compare good vs bad, and short term and long term, positive/negative impact of their acts. We must stop being hyper sensitive and paranoid bunch, someone creating statue of any past ruler or appreciating/criticizing him/her isn't going to change any thing. Creating Statues aren't allowed anyway if we talk from prospective of being Islamic/Muslim, doesn't matter if the statue is of Non-Muslim or Holy Muslim personality.

Muslim rulers did atrocities, yes, but they were Muslims (barring the few who didn't really give a toss about religion, but nobody really heroises them), and as a result their victories greatly benefited the other Muslims with them. Did you forget that it was Shah Waliullah, a native of Delhi who invited Ahmad Shah Durrani to invade the region? Or the fact that Puran Mal was killed by Sher Shah Suri at the request of Muslim women in Madhya Pradesh? Or that Fariduddin Ganjshakar, a Sufi Punjabi, was a spiritual guide for Qutb Uddin Aibek, and married one of his daughters?

Muslims of the region loved these rulers and sided with them over the Kuffar of the region, even if those Kuffar were closer to them in blood.