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The Future Gaddafi Foresaw
Libya, ISIS and the Unaffordable Luxury of Hindsight
by AHMAD BARQAWI
Who are you?” the late Muammar Gaddafi once rhetorically asked in a famous speech of his towards the end of his reign; (rightly) questioning the legitimacy of those seeking to over-throw his government at the time, calling them extremists, foreign agents, rats and drug-addicts. He was laughed at, unfairly caricatured, ridiculed and incessantly demonized; a distasteful parody video poking fun at the late Libyan leader even went viral on social media; evidently the maker of the video, an Israeli, thought the Libyan colloquial Arabic word “Zenga” (which means an Alleyway) sounded funny enough that he extracted it from one of Gaddafi’s speeches, looped it on top of a hip-hop backing track and voila… he got himself a hit video which was widely (and shamefully) circulated with a “revolutionary” zeal in the Arab world. We shared, we laughed, he died.

But the bloody joke is on all of us; Gaddafi knew what he was talking about; right from the get-go, he accused the so-called Libyan rebels of being influenced by Al-Qaeda ideology and Ben Laden’s school of thought; no one had taken his word for it of course, not even a little bit. I mean why should we have? After all, wasn’t he a vile, sex-centric dictator hell-bent on massacring half of the Libyan population while subjecting the other half to manic raping sprees with the aid of his trusted army of Viagra-gobbling, sub-Saharan mercenaries? At least that’s what we got from the visual cancer that is Al Jazeera channel and its even more acrid Saudi counterpart Al-Arabiya in their heavily skewed coverage of NATO’s vicious conquest of Libya. Plus Gaddafi did dress funny; why would anyone trust a haggard, weird-looking despot dressed in colorful rags when you have well-groomed Zionists like Bernard Henry Levy, John McCain and Hillary Clinton at your side, smiling and flashing the victory sign in group photo-ops, right?

Gaddafi called them drug-addicted, Islamic fundamentalists; we know them as ISIS… it doesn’t seem much of a joke now, does it? And ISIS is what had been in store for us all along; the “revolutionary” lynching and sodomization of Muammar Gaddafi amid manic chants of “Allahu Akbar”, lauded by many at the time as some sort of a warped triumph of the good of popular will (read: NATO-sponsored mob rule) over the evil of dictatorship (sovereign state), was nothing but a gory precursor for the future of the country and the region; mass lynching of entire populations in Libya, Syria and Iraq and the breakup of key Arab states into feuding mini-statelets. The gruesome video of Colonel Gaddafi’s murder, which puts to shame the majority of ISIS videos in terms of unhinged brutality and gore, did not invoke the merest of condemnations back then, on the contrary; everyone seemed perfectly fine with the grotesque end of the Libyan “tyrant”… except that it was only the beginning of a new and unprecedented reign of terror courtesy of NATO’s foot-soldiers and GCC-backed Islamic insurgents.

The rapid proliferation of trigger-happy terrorist groups and Jihadi factions drenched in petrodollars in Libya was not some sort of an intelligence failure on the part of western governments or a mere by-product of the power vacuum left by a slain Gaddafi; it was a deliberate, calculated policy sought after and implemented by NATO and its allies in the Gulf under the cringe-inducing moniker “Friends of Libya” (currently known as the International Coalition against ISIS) to turn the north-African country into the world’s largest ungovernable dumpster of weapons, al-Qaida militants and illegal oil trading.

So it is safe to say that UNSC resolution 1973, which practically gave free rein for NATO to bomb Libya into smithereens, has finally borne fruit… and it’s rotten to its nucleus, you can call the latest gruesome murder of 21 Egyptian fishermen and workers by the Libyan branch of the Islamic State exhibit “A”, not to mention of course the myriad of daily killings, bombings and mini-civil wars that are now dotting the entire country which, ever since the West engineered its coup-d’etat against the Gaddafi government, have become synonymous with the bleak landscape of lawlessness and death that is “Libya” today. And the gift of NATO liberation is sure to keep on giving for years of instability and chaos to come.

In an interview with the western media misinformation collective that is the BBC, ABC and the Sunday Times in February 2011; the late Muammar Gaddafi told his condescending interviewers; “have you seen the Al Qaeda operatives? Have you heard all these Jihadi broadcasts? It is Al Qaeda that is controlling the cities of Al Baida and Darnah, former Guantanamo inmates and extremists unleashed by America to terrorize the Libyan people…”. Darnah is now the main stronghold for ISIS in Libya.

In a bizarre coincidence (or some sort of cosmic irony); the date on which ISIS chose to release its video of the beheading of Egyptian captives, thereby officially declaring its presence in the war-torn country with three oil fields under its control, (appropriately) marked the 4th anniversary of the start of the so-called Libyan revolution on February 15th, 2011; a more apt “tribute” to commemorate the Western instigated regime-change debacle in Libya could not have been made.

But even long before ISIS became the buzzword, the acrid nature of a “revolutionary” Libya showed in full, sickening splendor almost instantly right after the old regime fell, everything the late Gaddafi was falsely accused of doing was literally perfected to a chilling degree by the so-called rebels; massacres, indiscriminate shelling of residential areas, car-bombings, mass arrests, torture, theft of oil and national resources… the whole lot. In 2013; two British pro-Palestine activists, on their way to Gaza with an aid convoy, got to experience first-hand the rotten fruits of the Libyan chapter of the so-called Arab Spring when they were abducted by a motely crew of Libyan revolutionaries-turned-warlords in the city of Benghazi and gang raped in front of their father.

Proponents of Humanitarian Interventions must be patting themselves on the back these days; now that Libya has completed its democratic makeover from a country with the highest standard of living in Africa under Gaddafi’s rule into a textbook definition of a failed state; a godless wasteland of religious fanaticism, internal bloodletting and wholesale head-chopping, in fact Libya became so “democratic” that there are now two parliaments and two (warring) governments; each with its own (criminal) army and supported with money and caches of weapons from competing foreign powers, not to mention the myriad of secessionist movements and militias which the illegal coup against Gaddafi has spawned all over the country while free health care, education and electricity, which the Libyans took for granted under Gaddafi’s regime, are all now but relics of the past; that’s the “Odyssey Dawn” the Libyans were promised; a sanitized version of Iraq sans the public outrage, neatly re-packaged in a “responsibility to protect” caveat and delivered via aerial bombing campaigns where even the West’s overzealous Gulf Co-conspirators Club (GCC), driven by nothing beyond petty personal vendettas against Gaddafi, got to test the lethality of its rusted, American-made military aircrafts alongside NATO on the people of Tripoli and Sirte.

This is what Gaddafi had predicted right from the get-go and then some; the ephemeral euphoria of the Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions was just too potent and too exhilarating for us to read the fine print; was it a conspiracy or a true revolutionary spirit gone awry? It doesn’t really matter now that ISIS has become the true legacy of Tahrir Square; “they will turn Libya into another Afghanistan, another Somalia, another Iraq… your women won’t be allowed out, they will transform Libya into an Islamic Emirate and America will bomb the country under the pretext of fighting terrorism”, the late Libyan leader had said in a televised speech on February 22nd, 2011, and more prophetic words were never spoken.

America’s “clean war” Libyan prototype proved to be such a success that it was replicated with a wanton abandon in Syria; Paul Bremer’s “Blackwater” death squads of old, which reigned terror all over Iraq, are back… with an Islamic twist; bearded, clad in black and explosives from head to toe and mounting convoys of Toyota Land Cruiser trucks with an ever-expanding, seemingly borderless Islamic Caliphate (that somehow leaves the Zionist regime unencumbered in its occupation of Palestine) set in their sights.

Everyday the Arab World is awakened to a new-videotaped atrocity; steeped in gore and maniacal terror courtesy of ISIS (or IS or ISIL), and countless of other “youtubeless”, albeit more heinous crimes courtesy of America’s very own ever-grinding, one-sided drone warfare; the entire region seesaws between machete beheadings and hellfire missile incinerations. Death from above… as well as below; the War on Terror rears its ugly head once again; to bring in line those nasty terrorists that the West itself funded and sponsored in the name of democracy to destabilize “unsavory” regimes; an unrelenting Groundhog Day that starts with the Responsibility to Protect and ends with the War on Terror, with thousands of innocent lives, typically chalked up to collateral damage, crushed in the process.

This is exactly what Gaddafi foresaw; a Libya mired in utter chaos, civil conflict and western diktats; a breeding ground for Jihadi fundamentalism and extremists… too bad we just laughed his warnings off to an Israeli-made parody tune.

Ahmad Barqawi, freelance columnist and writer.
 
"mein antom"... "who are you"... is one of the best speeches of a man who knew more than most in the present world how to give a speech... he had none of the mba-druggie-rat "yes we can" slurred spin words of the western bloc leaders.

and mba-druggie-rats were sent in thousands to libya to bite and kill libyans, and gaddafi was in some months calling out like a cat surrounded by rats and dogs, calling out to "friends" like blair and berlusconi to ask why they were letting nato ( and allies ) bombard libya from the air and sea.

gaddafi was naive to believe that western governments would honor the handshake they had with him... north korea scolded gaddafi and libya for dismantling libya's nuclear weapons program... north korea said "we told you !!!".

"mein antom", gaddafi shouted at nato and its allies in the gulf and elsewhere, shouted at them asking who the hell were they to talk of democracy when libya had an ideal system while the western governments were capitalist dictatorships and the gulf nationis were outright monarchies and others in south asia ( hint, hint ) and south east asia were terrible in their understanding of the term "human rights".

yes, this is a strange world we live in... psychopaths glued to cell phone and video game, letting other psychopaths openly kill 200,000+ people and one of the greatest leaders and philosophers of history... and then openly laughing at his caricature in a hollywood film released the same year as the majority of the massacres.

but for you below is the famous "dar dar, zanga zanga" speech, also called the "mein antom" speech", with english translation...


@rubyjackass thanks for this thread.

@levina request you cast a glance at the op. :)
 
there was a man in baniwalid libya ...some rats kidnapped his daughter somedays before .....one night he saw his daughter in a garbage bag naked, rapped and ripped into pieces .....he shouted for help ....somepoeple in that area knew me so they called me ..when i went there and talked to the man....he told me that he was fighting for the rebels till 2013 ...and today he is so ashmed that he regret himself.......the next morning his son messaged me that his father sucided !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ya allah save libya .....
 
Gaddafi was a visionary no doubt about it. He wanted the the world to deal in Gold instead of the US dollar, cost him his life.
 
@levina request you cast a glance at the op. :)
4 years back during a training, me and my class went slightly off topic and started discussing Libya. One of my trainee(mech engg) was very upset that Gaddafi was viewed as a tyrant, and was being called names. He said "ppl 're being mislead about Gaddafi" (and it still echoes in my mind). I did not believe him back then, even now I dont understand why was this man killed? was Libya as disturbed as Syria?
There were many theories floating, like Libya produced one of the best quality oil and ergo the west decided to take Gaddafi down, just like Saddam.
That was the beginning of a parlous epoch I guess, from then on with each passing day I read and view new articles of atrocities in the arab world.
I'm not an ardent fan of Gaddafi, but at times I do wonder if Libya would've slipped into a civil war had Gaddafi been alive?
The civil war has definitely done more damage to Libya than Gaddafi (as projected often).
 
A sexual Predator and an Ugly Dictator who committed Atrocities in his own country --- Good that Librans got RID of that
colonel/General/ Admiral /Supreme Leader Gaddafi
 

Reproduced as received some time ago.....


Did you know this about Libya?



Some other facts (that mainstream media will never disclose) about "Gaddafi and Libya:

- Loans to Libyan citizens were given with NO interest.

- Students would get paid the average salary for the profession they are studying for.

- If anyone is unable to get employment the state would pay the full salary as if employed until one finds employment.

- When one gets married the couple gets an apartment or house for free from the Government.

- One could go to college anywhere in the world. The state pays 2,500 euros plus accommodation and car allowance.

- The cars wee sold at factory cost.

- Libya did not owe money, (not a cent) to anyone. No creditors.

- Free education and health care for all citizens.

- 25% of the population with a university degree.

- No beggars on the streets and nobody homeless (until the bombing took place).

- Bread costs only $0.15 per loaf.

No wonder the US and other capitalist countries do not like Libya. Gaddafi would not consent to taking loans from IMF or World Bank at high interest rates. In other words Libya was INDEPENDENT! That is the real reason for the war in Libya! He may be a dictator, but that is not the US problem. Also Gaddafi called on all Oil producing countries NOT to accept payment for oil in USD or Euros. He recommended that oil get paid for in GOLD and that would have bankrupted just about every Western Country as most of them do not have gold reserves to match the rate at which they print their useless currencies.
 
4 years back during a training, me and my class went slightly off topic and started discussing Libya. One of my trainee(mech engg) was very upset that Gaddafi was viewed as a tyrant, and was being called names. He said "ppl 're being mislead about Gaddafi" (and it still echoes in my mind). I did not believe him back then,

i remember you reminiscing that story in the "whatever" thread... please note my use of the non-usual word "reminisce". :enjoy:

even now I dont understand why was this man killed? was Libya as disturbed as Syria?
There were many theories floating, like Libya produced one of the best quality oil and ergo the west decided to take Gaddafi down, just like Saddam.

libya does produce what is called "sweetest crude oil".

That was the beginning of a parlous epoch

parlous?? :what:

I guess, from then on with each passing day I read and view new articles of atrocities in the arab world.

as gaddafi once said and what i had to insist to our friend, al-hasani, there is no such political thing called "arab world". :)

I'm not an ardent fan of Gaddafi, but at times I do wonder if Libya would've slipped into a civil war had Gaddafi been alive?
The civil war has definitely done more damage to Libya than Gaddafi (as projected often).

it wasn't a "civil war"... it was a careful conspiracy that involved nato and its international allies and transnational criminal groups like qaeda, taliban, ikhwaan, shabaab etc.

the conspiracy was called "arab spring" and coincided with other cia destabilization projects against venezuela, china and russia.

watch the speech i posted above.

towards middle of 2011, nato had invaded libya formally with 35+ militaries.

the objectives were not oil but to terminate the works and influences of libyan jamahiriya at global level.

ya allah save libya .....

do you wish to add anything to what i wrote above??

colonel/General/ Admiral /Supreme Leader Gaddafi

i suppose you watch hollywood anti-east propaganda films like "the dictator" and "the interview".

Reproduced as received some time ago.....


Did you know this about Libya?



Some other facts (that mainstream media will never disclose) about "Gaddafi and Libya:

- Loans to Libyan citizens were given with NO interest.

- Students would get paid the average salary for the profession they are studying for.

- If anyone is unable to get employment the state would pay the full salary as if employed until one finds employment.

- When one gets married the couple gets an apartment or house for free from the Government.

- One could go to college anywhere in the world. The state pays 2,500 euros plus accommodation and car allowance.

- The cars wee sold at factory cost.

- Libya did not owe money, (not a cent) to anyone. No creditors.

- Free education and health care for all citizens.

- 25% of the population with a university degree.

- No beggars on the streets and nobody homeless (until the bombing took place).

- Bread costs only $0.15 per loaf.

No wonder the US and other capitalist countries do not like Libya. Gaddafi would not consent to taking loans from IMF or World Bank at high interest rates. In other words Libya was INDEPENDENT! That is the real reason for the war in Libya! He may be a dictator, but that is not the US problem. Also Gaddafi called on all Oil producing countries NOT to accept payment for oil in USD or Euros. He recommended that oil get paid for in GOLD and that would have bankrupted just about every Western Country as most of them do not have gold reserves to match the rate at which they print their useless currencies.

add to that... "gold dinar" idea and a new africa development bank, among many other libyan projects that were a shoe in the face of the western bloc.

an Ugly Dictator

ugly??

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gaddafi and fidel.jpg
 
i remember you reminiscing that story in the "whatever" thread... please note my use of the non-usual word "reminisce". :enjoy:
Have you also turned into a logophile? :P

libya does produce what is called "sweetest crude oil".
So who gets the oil now?



parlous?? :what:
as gaddafi once said and what i had to insist to our friend, al-hasani, there is no such political thing called "arab world". :)
it wasn't a "civil war"... it was a careful conspiracy that involved nato and its international allies and transnational criminal groups like qaeda, taliban, ikhwaan, shabaab etc.

the conspiracy was called "arab spring" and coincided with other cia destabilization projects against venezuela, china and russia.
watch the speech i posted above.
towards middle of 2011, nato had invaded libya formally with 35+ militaries.
the objectives were not oil but to terminate the works and influences of libyan jamahiriya at global level.
do you wish to add anything to what i wrote above??
i suppose you watch hollywood anti-east propaganda films like "the dictator" and "the interview".
add to that... "gold dinar" idea and a new africa development bank, among many other libyan projects that were a shoe in the face of the western bloc.
Whether Gaddafi was a good leader is debatable, but as I said Gaddafi's death has done more damage to the country than his rule would 've.
In recent past tensions between nationalists and Islamists 've stymied attempts to produce a stable government, and there's constant fighting between rival militias. The central (elected) govt has collapsed, and the UN has struggled to bring political factions together. In short, Libya's in a mess!
 
Have you also turned into a logophile? :P

well, this student follows the teacher. :enjoy:

So who gets the oil now?

oil companies from italy, france and i suppose the anglo nations... with of course a large cut going to the qaeda/taliban rat occupation government in tripoli... i read that there is a parallel government in darnah or baida ( i don't remember which ).

Whether Gaddafi was a good leader is debatable,

why should it be debatable?? :-)

and the UN has struggled to bring political factions together.

it is under the uno umbrella that the western bloc has attacked the east/south, whether it is the korea war of 60 years ago or it be the libya invasion of fours years ago.

two of the most slavish uno secretary generals have been kofi annan and the present ban ki moon.

western bloc propagandists like angelina jolie and amal alamuddin operate under the name of uno.

a openly qaeda criminal/psychopath like abdul hakim belhaj operates in libya having his own party because nato has now brought glorious "multi-party democracy".
 
well, this student follows the teacher. :enjoy:
Lolzz

oil companies from italy, france and i suppose the anglo nations... with of course a large cut going to the qaeda/taliban rat occupation government in tripoli... i read that there is a parallel government in darnah or baida ( i don't remember which ).
And where does all this money go?



why should it be debatable?? :-)
Come on!
I dont want to go around the mulberry bush again. :-)

it is under the uno umbrella that the western bloc has attacked the east/south, whether it is the korea war of 60 years ago or it be the libya invasion of fours years ago.

two of the most slavish uno secretary generals have been kofi annan and the present ban ki moon.

western bloc propagandists like angelina jolie and amal alamuddin operate under the name of uno.

a openly qaeda criminal/psychopath like abdul hakim belhaj operates in libya having his own party because nato has now brought glorious "multi-party democracy".
Not Angeline Jolie! :(

UN has been a complete failure, it had conveniently put on blinders while Afghanistan was being bombed, Iraq was being burnt, Syrians were gassed and Libya slipped into the hands of extremists.
 
libya was one of the luckiest countries in the world....ome of the biggest reason the rats have is that ghadaffi killed many innocent civilians....this is off topic but I should make it clear....once in 2012 we were following a car in which 4 wanted and undercover gang leaders were travelling ....I had orders ro execute them all....when they came to know that soilders are following them they tried to excape and accelerated their car ....I tried to fail their escape and hit the car wit mine..me with my partners came out of our car and executed them all by taking headshots....this was a great achievement as they were dammn criminals.....the next day I was sitting in a cafe in ordinary clothes when I saw two girls beside me...one of the girl told the another one "u know what..yesterday I was returning from my office when I saw that a civilian made an accident with a military vehicle ...after the accdent the soilders came out of their car and just in rage they brutally and violently killed 4 innocent civilians in their who made accdent " !!!!!!!!is this fair ??????? this shows that the people dosent know even a bit about the issue and they unwillingly they talk too much wrong !!!
 
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