Lets have a Civil Debate

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Ever wondered how human thoughts have evolved .

From being equal to any other animal in the wild , how have we become the masters of the Planet .
Human Brain and its thoughts have helped us reach this stage .

5000 years ago , When Human Society took shape and moved towards a drastic change , Have you ever wondered , What we used to Call ourselves ? As time moved on , People from different areas came into contact and idea of Superiority and Identity surfaced in , Yet we were the same people ( Humans , Intelligent Animal ) .

Then came the stage where people got divided on the basis or religious practices , Cults etc . Yet , we were the same people .Finally came the stage where we were divided on the basis of Nation state , where people are divided on the bases of Language they speak or the religion they practice . Yet , we are the same people from before .

Does being Hindu , Muslim , Sikh , Christian , Indian , Pakistani , Chinese etc serve any purpose .
In the near future 2 things can happen ,

01 First , Where Science has established itself as the True Religion of Humanity .
02 Or , Human savages will outrun and over power the Civilized Graces .

And I as the author of this passage , Hope for the best .
Regards
Kashmiri Pandit

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

@Aham Brahmasmi @Zibago @Chinese-Dragon @Godman @Chinese Bamboo

 

[dadeechi]

Ever wondered how human thoughts have evolved .

From being equal to any other animal in the wild , how have we become the masters of the Planet .
Human Brain and its thoughts have helped us reach this stage .

5000 years ago , When Human Society took shape and moved towards a drastic change , Have you ever wondered , What we used to Call ourselves ? As time moved on , People from different areas came into contact and idea of Superiority and Identity surfaced in , Yet we were the same people ( Humans , Intelligent Animal ) .

Then came the stage where people got divided on the basis or religious practices , Cults etc . Yet , we were the same people .Finally came the stage where we were divided on the basis of Nation state , where people are divided on the bases of Language they speak or the religion they practice . Yet , we are the same people from before .

Does being Hindu , Muslim , Sikh , Christian , Indian , Pakistani , Chinese etc serve any purpose .
In the near future 2 things can happen ,

01 First , Where Science has established itself as the True Religion of Humanity .
02 Or , Human savages will outrun and over power the Civilized Graces .

And I as the author of this passage , Hope for the best .
Regards
Kashmiri Pandit

Ok let me start the civil debate


Hinduism is the Scientific religion in this world and belongs to category 1

The rest can take Category 2

 

[Sliver]

A good start to a higher level debate. Looking forward to discussion here. Here are my thoughts:

This is a simplified version of my research.

The identity of a Human is always defined by two things
1) the need to blend in - as in, the need to belong to a group/community/sect
2) The need to stand out - as in, being called the best or unique or something special "within" the community

Most of the communities or groupings in the earliest times were family based. Loosely connected by either a matriarch or a patriarch (like in the case of a herding elephants or in the case of herding lions/tigers). At which point the fight against other groupings was mostly territorial to control the most favorable hunting grounds.

As the grouping itself grew bigger, there were internal strifes as to who should "lead" the tribe? on what basis is the leader chosen?

The leader always gets looked after very well by the subjects, has a high social standing, high moral standing and will seldom go hungry and his wises would mostly be fulfilled.
The coveted position of this "leader" meant that many in the group aspired to get this title. But how or what or who decide the leader?

In the earliest times, Maybe, the sheer strength decided the leader. like in a herd of tigers/hippos. The strongest male gets the mating and leadership rights. As our intelligence evolved, the woman took the centre stage as the group realized the "miracle" of birth (something they cannot understand, hence worship). So a woman who has borne the most kids, the most fertile and generally, the most wise would be leading the group.

And as and when the evolution of these myths had begun to form, who ever could offer a convincing explanation and a power to "control" it (even though that was mostly hogwash) got to have more and more power in the society. This was the birth of the "shaman". the people who could talk to the mysterious forces that you never could. Surely they were the "chosen" ones by these mysterious forces.

In some cultures the Shaman and the "strongest" person were the same. In some, they were not. there now existed 2 power centers - the strongest male, and the shaman. This was the birth of the class divide. the shaman class, the warrior class and the rest (mostly farming community).

More of my research thesis depending on the views of the people here.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

A good start to a higher level debate. Looking forward to discussion here. Here are my thoughts:

This is a simplified version of my research.

The identity of a Human is always defined by two things
1) the need to blend in - as in, the need to belong to a group/community/sect
2) The need to stand out - as in, being called the best or unique or something special "within" the community

Most of the communities or groupings in the earliest times were family based. Loosely connected by either a matriarch or a patriarch (like in the case of a herding elephants or in the case of herding lions/tigers). At which point the fight against other groupings was mostly territorial to control the most favorable hunting grounds.

As the grouping itself grew bigger, there were internal strifes as to who should "lead" the tribe? on what basis is the leader chosen?

The leader always gets looked after very well by the subjects, has a high social standing, high moral standing and will seldom go hungry and his wises would mostly be fulfilled.
The coveted position of this "leader" meant that many in the group aspired to get this title. But how or what or who decide the leader?

In the earliest times, Maybe, the sheer strength decided the leader. like in a herd of tigers/hippos. The strongest male gets the mating and leadership rights. As our intelligence evolved, the woman took the centre stage as the group realized the "miracle" of birth (something they cannot understand, hence worship). So a woman who has borne the most kids, the most fertile and generally, the most wise would be leading the group.

And as and when the evolution of these myths had begun to form, who ever could offer a convincing explanation and a power to "control" it (even though that was mostly hogwash) got to have more and more power in the society. This was the birth of the "shaman". the people who could talk to the mysterious forces that you never could. Surely they were the "chosen" ones by these mysterious forces.

In some cultures the Shaman and the "strongest" person were the same. In some, they were not. there now existed 2 power centers - the strongest male, and the shaman. This was the birth of the class divide. the shaman class, the warrior class and the rest (mostly farming community).

More of my research thesis depending on the views of the people here.

I am not sure on how to keep track of things .

01 Should I look at humanity as a Whole
02 Or , Should I look at 21st century Humans

Living is tough in current world than it was 500 or 1000 years ago .
Humans look for 3 basic necessity :

01 Food
02 Cloths
03 House

And for them You need money . Money now plays a very important role in Modern world . Money is the new age God , Those who have it live in heaven ; Those who don't , spend their lives in Hell .

To me Money is a Necessary Evil in the 21st century , and will stay till we find any substitute .
As pointed by some people , Capitalism is a modern form of Slavery but again Capitalism is the need of the Century .

We have come to a stage where only Intelligence doesn't work . Humans need to be smart and innovative .
And in all this , Education plays an important role . But again What do we mean by education . A person with Graduation degree has no knowledge of how to perform certain practical stuff . Another person has the same degree but he lacks on Moral , Workmanship and other skills .

In the Modern world , To me it seems we are living our lives just like Animals .
Being Born , Raised , Thrown into the wild we call society , Have to fight with other humans to earn our daily bread .
( WOW !!! That's some kind of Intelligent specie we have got here )

We as a specie have come a long way , but to me it seems nothing really changed .

 

[Imran Khan]

ok start from alcohol

 

[Zibago]

ok start from alcohol

Meray liay beer

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Sone folks migrated from low resource places to high resource places and found new source of food and a different environment which changed the way they live and some were abpe to gather more resources which started class based society

 

[Sliver]

I am not sure on how to keep track of things .

01 Should I look at humanity as a Whole
02 Or , Should I look at 21st century Humans

Living is tough in current world than it was 500 or 1000 years ago .
Humans look for 3 basic necessity :

01 Food
02 Cloths
03 House

And for them You need money . Money now plays a very important role in Modern world . Money is the new age God , Those who have it live in heaven ; Those who don't , spend their lives in Hell .

To me Money is a Necessary Evil in the 21st century , and will stay till we find any substitute .
As pointed by some people , Capitalism is a modern form of Slavery but again Capitalism is the need of the Century .

We have come to a stage where only Intelligence doesn't work . Humans need to be smart and innovative .
And in all this , Education plays an important role . But again What do we mean by education . A person with Graduation degree has no knowledge of how to perform certain practical stuff . Another person has the same degree but he lacks on Moral , Workmanship and other skills .

In the Modern world , To me it seems we are living our lives just like Animals .
Being Born , Raised , Thrown into the wild we call society , Have to fight with other humans to earn our daily bread .
( WOW !!! That's some kind of Intelligent specie we have got here )

We as a specie have come a long way , but to me it seems nothing really changed .

this is a different path you have taken - albeit very interesting one.

Money is NOT evil. have you ever read Ayn ryan? You should. read about Money from Atlas Shrugged a book by Ayn Ryan you will know that money is not the paper currency or the gold or material.

Money is a to value an effort - either physical effort or an ingenious solution or a work of art borne out of your minds effort. It is not what you make by cheating others, not what you make by robbing or thieving. It can only be made by people who can make something or do something of worth.

Think of it this way. Lets say there is one person and only one person who can make some stuff of worth that people are willing to pay for. and since only he can "earn", only he has this "money". If this guy decides to stop doing this stuff of worth, there is no need for any money. there is no "worth" for the money that is existing in his world.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

this is a different path you have taken - albeit very interesting one.

Money is NOT evil. have you ever read Ayn ryan? You should. read about Money from Atlas Shrugged a book by Ayn Ryan you will know that money is not the paper currency or the gold or material.

Money is a to value an effort - either physical effort or an ingenious solution or a work of art borne out of your minds effort. It is not what you make by cheating others, not what you make by robbing or thieving. It can only be made by people who can make something or do something of worth.

Think of it this way. Lets say there is one person and only one person who can make some stuff of worth that people are willing to pay for. and since only he can "earn", only he has this "money". If this guy decides to stop doing this stuff of worth, there is no need for any money. there is no "worth" for the money that is existing in his world.

Interesting !
I will look into your recommendation .

 

[Babu999]

Start debate with patience