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I have read at quite a few places that Pakistan did very well immediately after 1947 and went ahead of India on many parameters. Infact, in first four decades they were ahead and started going down only after that. Had Pakistan remained on same the trajectory, it would have been way ahead of India.

India moved ahead only after the economic reforms implemented in the 90s.



Strong military is required, but at what cost? Dog should wag the tail. When tail starts wagging the dog then there is a reason to reanalyse.

Depend on how you define getting ahead.
In terms of GDP per capita Pakistan did get ahead, but it was not because of any heritage from British India, it was from effective use of it relations with the West, which India also enjoyed, in so many ways. In fact, since 1947, India has received far more American aid then Pakistan, more then any other country in the world, Pakistan isn't even in the top 10.

But, I'm sure you are aware that GDP per capita does not equate to having a more mature economy, there are many factors other then GDP per capita. For instance Pakistan's first steel plant became operational in the 1980's, America refused to help, but the cash starved Soviets helped to build one.
There's another incident I remember reading about when a request for a powerful computer was granted to India, but denied to Pakistan.


Regarding the military, it was purely due to circumstance that military became involved, its nothing to cry about, it's part of historical situations, hindsight is an easy platform from which to sound clever, but in reality the situation was not easy, mistakes were made, either you learn from them or continue to cry about it. Every nation on earth has made mistakes, they don't repeat and cry about them at every opportunity.

Keep bragging, that won't change anything.

Stay happy, stay blessed, I mean that sincerely, but please find peace within yourself.
 
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@waz
Hi, how can I delete the link in the post #48, I've discovered another pdf that has complete pages of the book.
The link above has insufficient pages, it is from an Indian site so I think it could have misinformation or controlled information.

And, how can I share pdf, more importantly, am I allowed to upload pdf documents or books?
Thank you




@ghazi52 @RescueRanger @epebble
please do not read the book from the above link if you have downloaded it, it may contain misinformation.
 
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@waz
Hi, how can I delete the link in the post #48, I've discovered another pdf that has complete pages of the book.
The link above has insufficient pages, it is from an Indian site so I think it could have misinformation or controlled information.

And, how can I share pdf, more importantly, am I allowed to upload pdf documents or books?
Thank you




@ghazi52 @RescueRanger @epebble
please do not read the book from the above link if you have downloaded it, it may contain misinformation.
I have the hard copy I’ll scan it and upload it at a later date
 
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I have the hard copy I’ll scan it and upload it at a later date

I found a pdf copy, it is a scanned copy of a library book, from Kansas public library lol, so I assume it is a safe copy.
I do not know how to upload pdf, this is the first discussion forum I've ever joined.
 
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@waz
Hi, how can I delete the link in the post #48, I've discovered another pdf that has complete pages of the book.
The link above has insufficient pages, it is from an Indian site so I think it could have misinformation or controlled information.

And, how can I share pdf, more importantly, am I allowed to upload pdf documents or books?
Thank you




@ghazi52 @RescueRanger @epebble
please do not read the book from the above link if you have downloaded it, it may contain misinformation.
I scanned through the book. It is written more in a biographical style of Mr. Jinnah. I did not recognize any missing pages, unless it was missing chapters. Good book to read but not authoritative book on history. I have read Freedom at Midnight and think it is historically more accurate for a popular press book.


 
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Not sure how well known this author is, but he has some creative ideas for solving current problems.
 
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I scanned through the book. It is written more in a biographical style of Mr. Jinnah. I did not recognize any missing pages, unless it was missing chapters. Good book to read but not authoritative book on history. I have read Freedom at Midnight and think it is historically more accurate for a popular press book.



The book in the link shows last content page as 181, the other pdf I found, it's a copy of a library book, it counts last content page as 226, the amazon count I think was showing 244 pages, which probably included bibliography and other pages.

But @RescueRanger says he has a hard copy, so probably best to follow his guidelines.

Thank you for the other book, I'll add it to my reading list.
 
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Not sure how well known this author is, but he has some creative ideas for solving current problems.

His suggestions are ridiculous and childish to say the least, I am shocked they've allowed this to be published, it reminds me yet again why I stopped reading the Dawn.

Please allow me a day or two to provide my reasons, and butchering his childish arguments, I might do it today, if not certainly within a day or two.
 
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His suggestions are ridiculous and childish to say the least, I am shocked they've allowed this to be published, it reminds me yet again why I stopped reading the Dawn.

Please allow me a day or two to provide my reasons, and butchering his childish arguments, I might do it today, if not certainly within a day or two.
Decentralization and Devolution are ancient tricks for improving governance. Nothing new about it. Since you are in U.K., you can tell how well the new Scottish and Welsh devolved governments are working compared to before. Then you just had Brexit that shows how Centrifugal forces are more popular than Centripetal forces. But the third idea, Sortition, is a creative concept. Here in U.S., we have a trial by Jury system, which though popular (it is in our Constitution), sometimes leaves much to be desired. There is the whole profession of Jury Consultants who advice on how to influence the jury. Being composed of common citizens, sometimes it is possible to affect them by emotions and prejudices. It is hard to pay attention to details and remain objective without much training and experience.

But if you read the comments, his ideas seem quite popular. May be the situation is so dire that people are ready for change, any change, from the prevailing system. If they stick with just Decentralization and Devolution, it may be a workable solution. The author has a powerful weapon in his arsenal: the example of Bangladesh; How it went from being much behind West Pakistan before independence to being ahead now by all accounts.
 
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Decentralization and Devolution are ancient tricks for improving governance. Nothing new about it. Since you are in U.K., you can tell how well the new Scottish and Welsh devolved governments are working compared to before. Then you just had Brexit that shows how Centrifugal forces are more popular than Centripetal forces. But the third idea, Sortition, is a creative concept. Here in U.S., we have a trial by Jury system, which though popular (it is in our Constitution), sometimes leaves much to be desired. There is the whole profession of Jury Consultants who advice on how to influence the jury. Being composed of common citizens, sometimes it is possible to affect them by emotions and prejudices. It is hard to pay attention to details and remain objective without much training and experience.

But if you read the comments, his ideas seem quite popular. May be the situation is so dire that people are ready for change, any change, from the prevailing system. If they stick with just Decentralization and Devolution, it may be a workable solution. The author has a powerful weapon in his arsenal: the example of Bangladesh; How it went from being much behind West Pakistan before independence to being ahead now by all accounts.
It's a little longer then planned, I hope you won't mind.


It is quiet a shame there are so many repetitive articles written in Pakistan each claiming to clear the fog and deliver the solution for which the nation has been waiting. The basic premise of this thinking itself sits on a weak platform, there’s in-built arrogance displayed by these writers. A cursory look at their ideas shows the obvious weaknesses that they themselves are blind to, yet are ready to preach to the nation.


Let’s look at this article, his initial rambling was far too boring and I had to rush forward to his solutions, so i’ll get to the point, and perhaps offer a suggestion or two towards the end, not suggestions that hold the magic formula, just ideas.

1. His first proposal concerns decentralisation to turn 38 existing divisions into the second tier of government, but he doesn’t actually use a describable term, which is childish, they have to be called states or provinces, but he chooses to stay away from using any term because as he goes on to point towards the trauma of reorganisation of existing provinces.

Does he not realise that converting the existing divisions into second tier is the process of reorganisation of exiting province that he wants to avoid, what is he talking about? He wants to avoid the very thing he is proposing, duplicity in the same paragraph, in the same proposal, this is extremely childish.

How can he refute his own proposal in the same paragraph? that’s what I mean, they come out with simple ideas without having thought through anything, and their only argument for the proposals are always based on, it happens there, it was tried here so it might work in Pakistan as well, no arguments for or against, nothing except simple comparisons with other countries form their whole argument.

A proposal should have arguments based on merits or demerits of any proposals, and only then, examples should be used to support your arguments, not use examples as the basis of your whole argument.

You simple cannot suggest creation of new second tier, which effectively is a province, and suggest that you want to oppose reorganisation of exiting province because it would create too much “trauma”, I am shocked at the lack of intellect being displayed by this author and the newspaper dawn.


2. His second proposal regards the devaluation of maximum powers to the newly created provinces, which he is already confused about. But the central point of his argument is about Bangladesh and it’s so called development, and I assume in his view an ideal governing structure that has delivered that development. This is frustratingly, beyond comprehension.

Bangladesh is a unitary state, all the powers are exercised by the centre, the centre holds far more powers then in Pakistan. How can he provide an example as a basis of his argument, but that example has a reality totally contrary to what he is proposing, a neurosurgeon needs to look at his brain to make sure all the connections are intact, not only is the proposal childish, but the argument on which his proposal is based is divorced from reality.

He also points towards the Gulf kingdoms as the ideal form of government, I seriously can’t even answer this point because it is ridiculous beyond measure. He is complaining about injustices of the centre, the assumption being that the Gulf states are far better justice based societies, you cannot even breathe without the permission of the monarch, and he thinks that is better. If anyone thinks Gulf societies are more fairer then Pakistan, that person deserves nothing but pity

The opposition in Bangladesh is under total government pressure, and the entire governance system, including the elections are seriously compromised far far more then in Pakistan, somehow he sees that as the ideal. I am sorry to say but this guy is an idiot.


3. His third proposal is with regards to governance, he starts by blowing the biggest fart in the history of mankind, by suggesting a monarchy as an ideal form of governance, failing which he is proposing using a system of “sortition” harking back to the ancient Greek civilisation. The modern nations of Europe have learnt from these early ideas and reformed them for their nations, and the modern age, but this guy wants to take Pakistan back thousands of years to use a system which magically will produce ideal rulers free from all realities of life, perfection in a box. This is a joke.

I have written enough already but someone needs to pay this guy to make sure he stops writing another piece about governance or provide any more ideas about Pakistan, he has constantly contradicted himself, and the entire basis of his arguments that form his proposals are silly examples and wishful thinking that has no basis in reality.

In my view the system is not broken, it is weak, yes, it needs to be strengthened, yes, but not radically changed because no system is perfect, look at all the mature nations of the world, the countries that are stable not just in governance but those that also have stable societies. The only constant you’ll find in those countries is the lack of change, they simply do not change, that is why many of those nations still have monarchies, but those monarchies are different, weakening and evolving towards extinction, because it is always about gradual change.

Constant radical change always, always creates instability, because no change is a fixed formula, you never know what you are going to get, until that change is implemented, the implementation is done by people, no matter how noble the the intentions, you cannot judge the final outcome until it reveals itself. When mistakes arise, and they will arise because perfection does not exist, then you’ll have to make more changes, or cry about another radical change, and on it goes, I hope you can see a circle developing, because this yearning for change is a never ending circle, providing constant instability.

The only way forward is to accept the exiting system, and look for weaknesses and improve on those, gradually, not radically, not sudden, not anything except gradual change within the same system, because that is the only way we will achieve stable and good governance. It will not happen overnight, it is not a magic bullet, try it for couple of decades, and see the results, because you will see positive results.



To address his points.

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We do need more provinces, but they can only be created through consensus, there is no magic formula, it has to happen through consensus, this is exactly how it happens in other countries, there is no other way, but to search for consensus you need stability, meaning no long marches, no constant crying, accepting election results, allowing governments to complete their terms, once these basic things happen, the consensus for new provinces will be built very easily, extremely quickly.

If you listen to the politicians, they already recognise the need, but how can you achieve this when they’re not talking to each other. Stability first, change will come naturally.

To achieve the above start by reducing the terms from 5 years to 4 years. 5 years is not suitable for our conditions, the politicians get a heart attack after each election, because they cannot stand waiting for that long before their next shot for power. That’s why after 3 years agitation starts.

Reduce the term to 4 years, this will also reduce the time available for governments to play with economic numbers, it seems, 5 years is long enough for them to play hide and seek with the economy, they get things right by year 5 to look good, but leave a need for IMF for the next government. Reducing the timeframe to 4 years will reduce the time available, it is likely to have positive overall benefits.


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The level of devaluation in Pakistan is already far more then required, actually some of the departments need to be bough back to central government. I won’t go in details, but personally I would like to bring back the concurrent list, because areas such a archeology have national and provincial importance. Having the concurrent list back means the system can remain as is, but it will allow more manoeuvring space for the central government, which at present is missing. A solution can be reached, further devaluation of powers is not the answer, it will create further deadlocks in our governance, they already hate sharing power, once given more powers you’ll just have permanent deadlock.

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If the above points are followed, the points under this section will fall into place.



Please keep in mind, there is no magic formula, it is always about gradual change. Issues exist in every country on earth, especially developing nations, but they don’t make a drama out of it, as much as we do. Please let’s just fight for gradual change, not radical change, otherwise this mess will never stop.

And, also, it is time for the army to stick with it’s constitutional duties, they have played their role in forming a strong Pakistan, for which we are thankful, now this nation has different ideals, paramount being that only the people have the right to decide and choose their rulers, no-one else.




@RescueRanger
 
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It's a little longer then planned, I hope you won't mind.


It is quiet a shame there are so many repetitive articles written in Pakistan each claiming to clear the fog and deliver the solution for which the nation has been waiting. The basic premise of this thinking itself sits on a weak platform, there’s in-built arrogance displayed by these writers. A cursory look at their ideas shows the obvious weaknesses that they themselves are blind to, yet are ready to preach to the nation.


Let’s look at this article, his initial rambling was far too boring and I had to rush forward to his solutions, so i’ll get to the point, and perhaps offer a suggestion or two towards the end, not suggestions that hold the magic formula, just ideas.

1. His first proposal concerns decentralisation to turn 38 existing divisions into the second tier of government, but he doesn’t actually use a describable term, which is childish, they have to be called states or provinces, but he chooses to stay away from using any term because as he goes on to point towards the trauma of reorganisation of existing provinces.

Does he not realise that converting the existing divisions into second tier is the process of reorganisation of exiting province that he wants to avoid, what is he talking about? He wants to avoid the very thing he is proposing, duplicity in the same paragraph, in the same proposal, this is extremely childish.

How can he refute his own proposal in the same paragraph? that’s what I mean, they come out with simple ideas without having thought through anything, and their only argument for the proposals are always based on, it happens there, it was tried here so it might work in Pakistan as well, no arguments for or against, nothing except simple comparisons with other countries form their whole argument.

A proposal should have arguments based on merits or demerits of any proposals, and only then, examples should be used to support your arguments, not use examples as the basis of your whole argument.

You simple cannot suggest creation of new second tier, which effectively is a province, and suggest that you want to oppose reorganisation of exiting province because it would create too much “trauma”, I am shocked at the lack of intellect being displayed by this author and the newspaper dawn.


2. His second proposal regards the devaluation of maximum powers to the newly created provinces, which he is already confused about. But the central point of his argument is about Bangladesh and it’s so called development, and I assume in his view an ideal governing structure that has delivered that development. This is frustratingly, beyond comprehension.

Bangladesh is a unitary state, all the powers are exercised by the centre, the centre holds far more powers then in Pakistan. How can he provide an example as a basis of his argument, but that example has a reality totally contrary to what he is proposing, a neurosurgeon needs to look at his brain to make sure all the connections are intact, not only is the proposal childish, but the argument on which his proposal is based is divorced from reality.

He also points towards the Gulf kingdoms as the ideal form of government, I seriously can’t even answer this point because it is ridiculous beyond measure. He is complaining about injustices of the centre, the assumption being that the Gulf states are far better justice based societies, you cannot even breathe without the permission of the monarch, and he thinks that is better. If anyone thinks Gulf societies are more fairer then Pakistan, that person deserves nothing but pity

The opposition in Bangladesh is under total government pressure, and the entire governance system, including the elections are seriously compromised far far more then in Pakistan, somehow he sees that as the ideal. I am sorry to say but this guy is an idiot.


3. His third proposal is with regards to governance, he starts by blowing the biggest fart in the history of mankind, by suggesting a monarchy as an ideal form of governance, failing which he is proposing using a system of “sortition” harking back to the ancient Greek civilisation. The modern nations of Europe have learnt from these early ideas and reformed them for their nations, and the modern age, but this guy wants to take Pakistan back thousands of years to use a system which magically will produce ideal rulers free from all realities of life, perfection in a box. This is a joke.

I have written enough already but someone needs to pay this guy to make sure he stops writing another piece about governance or provide any more ideas about Pakistan, he has constantly contradicted himself, and the entire basis of his arguments that form his proposals are silly examples and wishful thinking that has no basis in reality.

In my view the system is not broken, it is weak, yes, it needs to be strengthened, yes, but not radically changed because no system is perfect, look at all the mature nations of the world, the countries that are stable not just in governance but those that also have stable societies. The only constant you’ll find in those countries is the lack of change, they simply do not change, that is why many of those nations still have monarchies, but those monarchies are different, weakening and evolving towards extinction, because it is always about gradual change.

Constant radical change always, always creates instability, because no change is a fixed formula, you never know what you are going to get, until that change is implemented, the implementation is done by people, no matter how noble the the intentions, you cannot judge the final outcome until it reveals itself. When mistakes arise, and they will arise because perfection does not exist, then you’ll have to make more changes, or cry about another radical change, and on it goes, I hope you can see a circle developing, because this yearning for change is a never ending circle, providing constant instability.

The only way forward is to accept the exiting system, and look for weaknesses and improve on those, gradually, not radically, not sudden, not anything except gradual change within the same system, because that is the only way we will achieve stable and good governance. It will not happen overnight, it is not a magic bullet, try it for couple of decades, and see the results, because you will see positive results.



To address his points.

1.
We do need more provinces, but they can only be created through consensus, there is no magic formula, it has to happen through consensus, this is exactly how it happens in other countries, there is no other way, but to search for consensus you need stability, meaning no long marches, no constant crying, accepting election results, allowing governments to complete their terms, once these basic things happen, the consensus for new provinces will be built very easily, extremely quickly.

If you listen to the politicians, they already recognise the need, but how can you achieve this when they’re not talking to each other. Stability first, change will come naturally.

To achieve the above start by reducing the terms from 5 years to 4 years. 5 years is not suitable for our conditions, the politicians get a heart attack after each election, because they cannot stand waiting for that long before their next shot for power. That’s why after 3 years agitation starts.

Reduce the term to 4 years, this will also reduce the time available for governments to play with economic numbers, it seems, 5 years is long enough for them to play hide and seek with the economy, they get things right by year 5 to look good, but leave a need for IMF for the next government. Reducing the timeframe to 4 years will reduce the time available, it is likely to have positive overall benefits.


2.
The level of devaluation in Pakistan is already far more then required, actually some of the departments need to be bough back to central government. I won’t go in details, but personally I would like to bring back the concurrent list, because areas such a archeology have national and provincial importance. Having the concurrent list back means the system can remain as is, but it will allow more manoeuvring space for the central government, which at present is missing. A solution can be reached, further devaluation of powers is not the answer, it will create further deadlocks in our governance, they already hate sharing power, once given more powers you’ll just have permanent deadlock.

3.
If the above points are followed, the points under this section will fall into place.



Please keep in mind, there is no magic formula, it is always about gradual change. Issues exist in every country on earth, especially developing nations, but they don’t make a drama out of it, as much as we do. Please let’s just fight for gradual change, not radical change, otherwise this mess will never stop.

And, also, it is time for the army to stick with it’s constitutional duties, they have played their role in forming a strong Pakistan, for which we are thankful, now this nation has different ideals, paramount being that only the people have the right to decide and choose their rulers, no-one else.




@RescueRanger
Firstly, the author appears to be a columnist and not a political scientist. So, his writing should be considered as an idea and not a solution. It is more like a sketch on a napkin when a bunch of engineers are having lunch at a restaurant. But, out of this sketch on a napkin, many a great idea have sprung forth creating great products and companies.

Secondly, you write creating 38 second tier governments are not feasible. I don't understand that. You already have 38 divisions. He is advocating that they be redefined as provinces or states with current provincial powers for the governments. Then his next idea of devolution is to make these provinces mini "Bangladesh" type governments and keep the Federal government like European Union (European Parliament and government in Brussels). I think this is a great idea because, with 38 autonomous Europe (or U.S.) type provinces/states, you get over the forever present danger of dictatorship/dominance by the military. In Europe, military plays very small role in E.U. affairs and is controlled by individual States.

I think his idea, immature as it is presented, is worthy of consideration and improvement. His logic is the existing system is infeasible and requires dramatic uprooting and undoing. I think a lot of Pakistanis agree with that sentiment.
 
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In fact, since 1947, India has received far more American aid then Pakistan, more then any other country in the world, Pakistan isn't even in the top 10.
I have a differing view on this. I had got into this a little deeper and found that Pakistan got more per capita and that too in multiples. I had posted it right here on pdf. Can’t find it now. The context was different though and had elements of trolling involved.

But, this small disagreement can be ignored in the light of larger discussion.
Both the countries have missed opportunities galore and are languishing at the bottom of many parameters. While many other countries have done much better within the same timeframe.

Hindsight is always more prudent. However, it is also a tool to learn and not repeat mistakes.

Overall a nice thread.
 
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I have a differing view on this. I had got into this a little deeper and found that Pakistan got more per capita and that too in multiples. I had posted it right here on pdf. Can’t find it now. The context was different though and had elements of trolling involved.

But, this small disagreement can be ignored in the light of larger discussion.
Both the countries have missed opportunities galore and are languishing at the bottom of many parameters. While many other countries have done much better within the same timeframe.

Hindsight is always more prudent. However, it is also a tool to learn and not repeat mistakes.

Overall a nice thread.

I do not understand what you disagree with?
I recognised Pakistan did overtake India in GDP per capita, but I also heighted the reasons, which were that they used the available resource more effectively.

My point was that per capita income is not a solely important metric of recognising getting ahead, Pakistan still did not have a mature economy, nor a developed industrial base, which India did, even in 1947. So to say Pakistan was ahead is more complicated then using it in a single statement, it hides multiple lies contained within.

Latvia has a GDP per capita far higher then India, if anyone claimed Latvia is ahead of India, I would send them to a mental hospital. It's what that getting ahead means, and what it covers, its important, that's if we are to have a comprehensive look at issues, and not stick with sound bites.

And, to quickly conclude, it wasn't the fault of the military, nor the civilians that Pakistan has backtracked, people look for easy answers, fine, do so, but then they can't claim to be honest or truthful because they ignore realities.
For the last 50 years Pakistan has faced constant instability in the region, that was going to have an effect, the present is the result of that effect, I am constantly shocked those aspects of regional instability are always ignored, and simple reasons are constantly repeated. In my view, that's peddling in lies.

Also, virtually everyone has forgotten, that Pakistan was under American sanctions from 1965-82, and then again from 1990-2001, That's 28 years, nearly half of the years since independence, they were going to have an effect on the development of the country, and they did, no-one ever mentions these simple facts. It's far to easy to say Pakistan messed up, end of story, if this approach wasn't pitiful, it would be funny.

This is a much deeper discussion, but I am happy to expand on any aspect that you wish me to highlight.
 
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Firstly, the author appears to be a columnist and not a political scientist. So, his writing should be considered as an idea and not a solution. It is more like a sketch on a napkin when a bunch of engineers are having lunch at a restaurant. But, out of this sketch on a napkin, many a great idea have sprung forth creating great products and companies.

Secondly, you write creating 38 second tier governments are not feasible. I don't understand that. You already have 38 divisions. He is advocating that they be redefined as provinces or states with current provincial powers for the governments. Then his next idea of devolution is to make these provinces mini "Bangladesh" type governments and keep the Federal government like European Union (European Parliament and government in Brussels). I think this is a great idea because, with 38 autonomous Europe (or U.S.) type provinces/states, you get over the forever present danger of dictatorship/dominance by the military. In Europe, military plays very small role in E.U. affairs and is controlled by individual States.

I think his idea, immature as it is presented, is worthy of consideration and improvement. His logic is the existing system is infeasible and requires dramatic uprooting and undoing. I think a lot of Pakistanis agree with that sentiment.

If you read my reply again, I think you'll find my reply is quiet comprehensive. But, I'll try to expand further.

I think it is important to remember that it is unfair to create excuses for the article or the write, he is a grown man, he is a professional and the newspaper choose to print it. They are all fully answerable and responsible for whatever they choose to make public. Making excuses is unfair, and it leads to an unending discussion, because you could just continue to make excuses till the end of time.

This discussion has two aspects,
1. the article itself and the information contained within.
2. The other is the wider discussion regarding the broad ideas the writer is trying to cover, and failing miserably.

The article is dead and so is the writer, so there is no point in repeating his ideas, sorry to say but he's an idiots par excellence.
But, I will reply specifically to the points you raise.

I did not write creating more provinces is not feasible, that's why I suggested that you could read my reply again, since I did not oppose such a thing, there is nothing to answer.
In fact, I have a proposal of my own on how new provinces could be created, it is a fairly detailed proposal. But, any proposal that has been thought through, and has gone through the consultation process will be workable, for that to happen, you need stability, not radical change.

Mini Bangladesh and EU comparison is utterly stupid, I'm sorry but it is so ridiculous that I cannot and I refuse to describe it any other way.
Bangladesh is a sovereign country, not an autonomous region within a country, so the logic does not apply. Also, please just remember all this hot air about Bangladesh is just hot air, nothing worthwhile. I like Bangladesh so I don't wish to go into details.
The European union has been in the process of integration for the past many decades, they are on the reverse course to which he is proposing, it simply does not make sense. They are trying hard to integrate, he is proposing an idea they are trying to reject. you see it is simply illogical.

And, lastly, the constitutional process of nation building is not done by the masses, or comment sections, people will follow the wind, nations do not exit by taking complete U-turns every few years. Nations exist because you agree on a system through intellectual discussions and workable solutions, that is exactly how Pakistan's 1973 constitution was created, it had broad based support then, and it still has broad based support even today. Few idiots in a comment section cannot reverse something that was agreed with broad based support.

I would kindly request you read my above reply again, and reply on the basis of the points I raised, the article is irrelevant and so is the writer.
 
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I do not understand what you disagree with?
Disagreement was only on the quantum of aid received by both the countries. A minor issue.

Your view on per capita sounds ok to me. I am not an expert on economics though.
 
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