Learning From The Example Of Germany

[Unbeliever]

Christ almighty not this tired shtick again. Source or it didn't happen. Give specific cases if you are going to make allegations.

Do the research yourself. This is so common knowledge and most Chinese people living in China will readily admit it..
If you are not able to Google, then don't believe me, doesn't change the facts. There are hundreds of articles on it.

..Ger-Chn if you think, the US housing bubble or the resulting credit crunch had anything to do with the Euro sovereign debt crisis. You're getting your events mixed up.

I gave an example for less diversified economies in Europe being hit hardest by the economic crisis of 2008-2009, which is what Vassti is worried about in NZ. It has to do with China trade because his concern is NZ will only rely on China.

It has to do with the debt of European countries, because their slow recovery makes it harder for them to manage their debt and they are recovering slowly because they had build up their financial sector out of proportion


Don't try to lecture me.. I studied that stuff and my uncle did business in and with China for many years.
Regarding the copyright, I'm not bashing Germany did the same 300 years ago stealing tech from the British, I am just stating our concerns.. since this is about "what Germany is doing right"

 

[TextMiner]

Christ almighty not this tired shtick again. Source or it didn't happen. Give specific cases if you are going to make allegations. You can't just say "omg they are stealing our tech" and be done with it. In the end no one is putting a gun to your head. You can do business elsewhere if you're thus concerned.

Well...i can give you a lot of sources that you will qualify as Propaganda and Imaginative Drivel, but for now, you can refer this link. And I can tell you, the Chinese manufacturing industry copies almost EVERY popular product (whether East-West-North-South). An example from India here.

And since i am from the Research domain, i will point you off to an instance where China rampantly ghostwrites papers to boost its Research output. The Link. And not only that, The Ratio for self-citations to total-citations is so high for china, that it actually leads to believe that the Research O/P of the Chinese is of an inferior quality even to that of India.

In case you disbelieve me, reply back and i will send you the method on where and how to do it.

and I'll refer you to Joseph Stiglitz for your malformed ideas about copy right.
Intellectual-Property Rights and Wrongs - Project Syndicate

And do let me know, what informed ideas of Copyright protection do you derive from this Stiglitz' column ?

 

[mjnaushad]

Well...i can give you a lot of sources that you will qualify as Propaganda and Imaginative Drivel, but for now, you can refer this link. And I can tell you, the Chinese manufacturing industry copies almost EVERY popular product (whether East-West-North-South). An example from India here.

And since i am from the Research domain, i will point you off to an instance where China rampantly ghostwrites papers to boost its Research output. The Link. And not only that, The Ratio for self-citations to total-citations is so high for china, that it actually leads to believe that the Research O/P of the Chinese is of an inferior quality even to that of India.

In case you disbelieve me, reply back and i will send you the method on where and how to do it.


And do let me know, what informed ideas of Copyright protection do you derive from this Stiglitz' column ?

Copying.....LOL

File:Indian air force dhruv helicopter j4042 arp.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-HNWL.jpg/300px-BK-117_Polizei-NRW_D-HNWL.jpg

 

[IndianArmy]

Copying.....LOL

File:Indian air force dhruv helicopter j4042 arp.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-HNWL.jpg/300px-BK-117_Polizei-NRW_D-HNWL.jpg

Actually Sir, Dhruv was not a Copy.... The germans where the Ones Who designed the Dhruv afterall

 

[TextMiner]

Copying.....LOL

File:Indian air force dhruv helicopter j4042 arp.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...-HNWL.jpg/300px-BK-117_Polizei-NRW_D-HNWL.jpg

That is why, people prone to obfuscating facts always need to enlighten themselves. Now chew on this.

Formerly known as the Advanced Light Helicopter, the 12,210-pound mtow Dhruv (a Hindi word which transliterates to “the pole”–referring to the North Star) has been in development since at least as early as November 1984 when HAL revealed the basic specifications of the helicopter. At that time MBB of Germany, later merged with France’s Aerospatiale to form Eurocopter, supported the program and indeed the Dhruv bears a strong resemblance to MBB’s smaller BK 117 model.

Now, do you understand the difference between supporting a program & thereby having an influence, and blatantly Chinese-copying models ?

 

[mjnaushad]

That is why, people prone to obfuscating facts always need to enlighten themselves. Now chew on this.


Now, do you understand the difference between supporting a program & thereby having an influence, and blatantly Chinese-copying models ?

I thought its Indigenous

 

[TextMiner]

I thought its Indigenous

What is YOUR definition of Indigenous in this SPECIFIC CASE ? Let us see how you give a brief definition of Indigenous ? Let me not have a definition from the millions of sites stating indigenous <XYZ>. Let your intellect shine through your succeeding words you are about to say.

 

[mjnaushad]

What is YOUR definition of Indigenous in this SPECIFIC CASE ? Let us see how you give a brief definition of Indigenous ? Let me not have a definition from the millions of sites stating indigenous <XYZ>. Let your intellect shine through your succeeding words you are about to say.

Lets talk about Indian Definition of Indigenous........

Because what Indians told me on other thread when they were trolling this doesn't come in that definition of Indigenous.

Mine definition stays same.....I dont know about yours....Which keep changing on every other product.

 

[TextMiner]

Lets talk about Indian Definition of Indigenous........

Because what Indians told me on other thread when they were trolling this doesn't come in that definition of Indigenous.

Mine definition stays same.....I dont know about yours....Which keep changing on every other product.

I didn't start the debate on a product being Indigenous or not. You did. Hence, the onus is on you to define it. Am waiting for that intellectual shine to flood through this Thread. So let's have your version of it.

 

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China has copied yes. But which countries HAVE NOT COPIED? Which countries have not copied from China before? I can with pride say that China is one of the few countries who haven't copied their writing. Like all the Western countries have copied from Roman/greek/Phoenican letters. Our language does not have nearly as many loan words as e.g English. Actually, many Chinese words and pronunciation have been exported to other countries.

And seriously, what is hardest? Copying or buying other countries' stuff and expertise?

What is best in the long run?
Buying foreign goods and expertise, or try establishing your own manufacturing base by a mixture of copying, digestion of foreign technology and improving it?

Take it step-by-step, learn the basic, give your people expertise and then improve?

What is best economically?
Definitely not buying other countries' stuff. The best is copying. There is no need to reinvent the wheel.

Copying is underrated. You can't just click a button and then the chosen thing is duplicated. There is a lot of things behind it.

I only laugh at those who think the Chinese is unable to be innovative. Time will prove you wrong. It will take a time for China's industries to be as technologically advanced, when we reach that point, the U.S. will be a mere shadow of its former status. China had to copy russian equipment before, because we were so backwards after wars, famine and embargos. No more that.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Well...i can give you a lot of sources that you will qualify as Propaganda and Imaginative Drivel, but for now, you can refer this link. And I can tell you, the Chinese manufacturing industry copies almost EVERY popular product (whether East-West-North-South). An example from India here.

And since i am from the Research domain, i will point you off to an instance where China rampantly ghostwrites papers to boost its Research output. The Link. And not only that, The Ratio for self-citations to total-citations is so high for china, that it actually leads to believe that the Research O/P of the Chinese is of an inferior quality even to that of India.

I'll indulge your China-bashing for a while.

True, there is a great deal of copyright infringement in China. However this has also happened to us all throughout history.

"Paper" and "gun powder" are Chinese inventions that were stolen from us. Everyone uses them, but no one pays us any royalties for it?

Tell your army to stop using "guns", and tell your students to stop using paper and printing. Then you just might have the moral high ground.

 

[mjnaushad]

I didn't start the debate on a product being Indigenous or not. You did. Hence, the onus is on you to define it. Am waiting for that intellectual shine to flood through this Thread. So let's have your version of it.

Let me type it the Indian way then.....

What ever Pakistan or China or any country rival to india produce is Copy or Illegal sale and not Indigenous

How ever whatever India Produce (Regard less of what india really produced in it) is totally indigenous.....



Want a sensible definition not the Indian one....then

indigenous adj. (often foll. by to) native or belonging naturally to a place. [Latin: from a root gen- be born]




PS: Read your own post.

And I can tell you, the Chinese manufacturing industry copies almost EVERY popular product

 

[IndianArmy]

I'll indulge your China-bashing for a while.

True, there is a great deal of copyright infringement in China. However this has also happened to us all throughout history.

"Paper" and "gun powder" are Chinese inventions that were stolen from us. Everyone uses them, but no one pays us any royalties for it?

Tell your army to stop using "guns", and tell your students to stop using paper and printing. Then you just might have the moral high ground.

Then I guess You must stop Using Your Rocket artillery,Anything which Uses Optical Fibre,Stop Measuring Nuclear cross sections using "Bhabha scattering" as the base , Stop Using Your Computers as It uses Binary Language 0... I dont think we get royalties for all this??? and I personally would not want You to wear your pajamas Either as It needs some amount of Royalty which too needs to be given to us....

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Then I guess You must stop Using Your Rocket artillery,Anything which Uses Optical Fibre,Stop Measuring Nuclear cross sections using "Bhabha scattering" as the base , Stop Using Your Computers as It uses Binary Language 0... I dont think we get royalties for all this??? and I would not want You to wear your pajamas Either as It needs some amount of Royalty which too needs to be given to us....

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest here.

An Indian poster attacked my country (China), for "copying EVERYTHING".

I responded by pointing out that everyone copies from each other. I did not bash India in return.

 

[justanobserver]

I'll indulge your China-bashing for a while.

True, there is a great deal of copyright infringement in China. However this has also happened to us all throughout history.

"Paper" and "gun powder" are Chinese inventions that were stolen from us. Everyone uses them, but no one pays us any royalties for it?

Tell your army to stop using "guns", and tell your students to stop using paper and printing. Then you just might have the moral high ground.

Now you're being unreasonable, I can extend the same to say that numerals and the number zero is an Indian invention, so now you guys have to pay us royalties every time you do math!

Copyright laws didn't exist then, they do now.