Leaked video of U.S. Military killing civilians and Reuters journalists.

[Thomas]

, why wud they

They all have reported on it.

 

[gambit]

Stop trying to act like a Marine.

Nope...Just trying to act sensibly.

I have read your previous posts, you were an enlisted member and not an officer so you were NOT apart of the flight crew. Most likely you joined USAF right out of high school and never went to college (which is apparent when reading your posts).

You were a USAF personnel on the ground and NOT a combat soldier. You most likely never seen nor engaged in combat.

Loadmasters are enlisted. Gunners are enlisted. Linguists (SIGINT) are enlisted. There are no shortage of publicly available information as to what enlisted career fields where the person is part of a flight crew.

So you answer is:



This is the most absurd justification for your analysis of the Apache pilot's actions.

You Ground Pounder are now dismissed as irrelevant.

Dismissed by someone who are too incompetent to field a credible answer? Like your opinion mattered.

 

[gambit]

I dont see how you are deciding to have more knowledge of defending the airmen when we just saw the same video feed. The pilots gave information that does not match up with the video in many instances. You are also assuming that they were not getting the same gun feed that we just saw. If you think you were seeing AK47's in that feed and we wernt then there is no argument that can convince you of your blind convictions.They acted irrationally and from what i gather both the pilots and attack controller jumped the gun, not to mention the overkill that ensued after.

http://www.dodccrp.org/events/10th_ICCRTS/CD/papers/149.pdf

Are you the least curious as to why none of your Pakistani military members are in here? They know experience matter and the lack thereof make any judgment weak on its standing.

 

[Canaan]

The guy is holding a camera stand and not an RPG.
No AKs can be identified, and certainly not an RPG round!
The guy crouching behind the corner is one of the camera men taking pictures from behind cover and not an insurgent, you can clearly see him afterwards going back and checking the pictures he just shot.
These people walking around certainly look relaxed and in no way in any kind of combat.
Shooting people evacuating the wounded, whether or not they are insurgents is disgusting. Why is it that an Iraqi sniper during combat with US troops, seizes fire and allows the US troops to evacuate their dead and wounded before continuing combat and US troops will not?
Why do US soldiers insist on killing wounded people who are lying helplessly on the ground. In my book, this is cold blooded execution.
Why the stupid and cold remarks and joking from the US soldiers? are they shooting people who, enemies or not, have families and loved ones or are they shooting animals?
Some say this is war, sure, but at least stop the hypocrisy about democracy, freedom and human rights, and admit that you are no way better than the people you are fighting.

 

[sherdil76]

Bast**** Amercian!

 

[Forrest Griffin]

Nope...Just trying to act sensibly.




Loadmasters are enlisted. Gunners are enlisted. Linguists (SIGINT) are enlisted. There are no shortage of publicly available information as to what enlisted career fields where the person is part of a flight crew.


Dismissed by someone who are too incompetent to field a credible answer? Like your opinion mattered.

Ground Pounder, you have repeatedly failed to substantiate your analysis of the Apache Pilot's actions by means other than what you have seen on the gound. Behavior like a Grunt or other military personnel with direct combat experience by a USAF enlistee on the internet is piteous. I know your type of people and I already have you figured out.

 

[Thomas]

The guy is holding a camera stand and not an RPG.
No AKs can be identified, and certainly not an RPG round!
The guy crouching behind the corner is one of the camera men taking pictures from behind cover and not an insurgent, you can clearly see him afterwards going back and checking the pictures he just shot.
These people walking around certainly look relaxed and in no way in any kind of combat.
Shooting people evacuating the wounded, whether or not they are insurgents is disgusting. Why is it that an Iraqi sniper during combat with US troops, seizes fire and allows the US troops to evacuate their dead and wounded before continuing combat and US troops will not?
Why do US soldiers insist on killing wounded people who are lying helplessly on the ground. In my book, this is cold blooded execution.
Why the stupid and cold remarks and joking from the US soldiers? are they shooting people who, enemies or not, have families and loved ones or are they shooting animals?
Some say this is war, sure, but at least stop the hypocrisy about democracy, freedom and human rights, and admit that you are no way better than the people you are fighting.

So says you! As I stated before I am very familiar with the RPG-7 and have trained with it. The man does appear to hold one. couple that with what the soldier says on the ground. Who is eye balling the RPG round up close. who by the way would also be familiar with what one would look like. And I believe you have enough evidence that the journalists embedded with insurgents. To be fair though the corner guy does appear to have a camera not an RPG. We however have the benefit of being able to rewind and play back over and over to identify things the pilots did not.

Now admit it 99% of you people railing against the pilots. Are anti U.S. to begin with. Or maybe anti war? You have no idea what normal operating procedures in war zones are like. I can bet you the journalists knew yet still chose to put themselves in harms way. All for the sake of getting a story that would make them stand out from the rest of their journalistic competition.

I recently watched a video of a film crew embedding themselves with the Taliban. I suppose if they had ended up getting killed you would hold the same argument. They where just hanging out with civilians and NATO bombed them for no reason. The murderous bastards!!

 

[Thomas]

Ground Pounder, you have repeatedly failed to substantiate your analysis of the Apache Pilot's actions by means other than what you have seen on the gound. Behavior like a Grunt or other military personal with direct combat experience by a USAF enlistee on the internet is piteous. I know your type of people and I already have you figured out.

No need to personally attack him Forrest. Gambit served his country honorably and does have a great deal of knowledge concerning military operating procedures. And just becuase he may not have been a pilot does not mean he lacks knowledge on rules of engagement in a combat zone.

 

[FreekiN]

WELL, seems as though the Americans were right:



BUT

I still don't see why they had to go and kill the cleanup crew along with those kids, or run over the body and laugh about it.... :/

 

[gambit]

Ground Pounder, you have repeatedly failed to substantiate your analysis of the Apache Pilot's actions by means other than what you have seen on the gound. Behavior like a Grunt or other military personnel with direct combat experience by a USAF enlistee on the internet is piteous. I know your type of people and I already have you figured out.

Your performance in this discussion is like that of a know-it-all teenager who got caught with his intellectual pants down his ankles. You made this statement...

I still believe the aviators could have exercised better judgement.

An experienced veteran aviator would not have done this.

Therefore you are implying that you speak from experience. It does not matter if I or anyone else here have military experience or not. What matter is that YOU present relevant experience to support your charge. I could also say that an experience aviator would have done exactly the same and there is nothing you can do about it, youngster.

Experience and knowledge automatically confer authority to speak about a subject. The greater of both the greater the authority. So if you disqualified me and therefore practically EVERYONE else in this forum since no one else claimed to be a helo pilot let alone a combat experienced one, then who/what qualified you to make the above charge?

You are dismissed...Again...And the longer you continued to show yourself in here, the greater the ignorant fool you will appear to everyone...

 

[gambit]

No need to personally attack him Forrest. Gambit served his country honorably and does have a great deal of knowledge concerning military operating procedures. And just becuase he may not have been a pilot does not mean he lacks knowledge on rules of engagement in a combat zone.

Let him. Say nothing about conduct to his kind. For every one of him there are a silent thousand who are matured enough to see the fool he is.

 

[gambit]

WELL, seems as though the Americans were right:



BUT

I still don't see why they had to go and kill the cleanup crew along with those kids, or run over the body and laugh about it.... :/

Why not? The only 'rescuers' who are immune from attacks in a combat zone are IDENTIFIABLE medics. Any attacks on any medical personnel (or vehicle) who CLEARLY distinguished himself with the Red Cross or Red Crescent symbol are prosecutable offense. Any use of any vehicle that is marked with the Red Cross or Red Crescent symbol for any purposes OTHER THAN medical is a prosecutable offense. Do you see any Red Cross or Red Crescent symbol in the area or on those 'rescuers'?

 

[Jigs]

I would say that the pilots were extremely disrespectful and highly unprofessional. That being sad there really can't be an argument made to say they shouldn't have fired at the van. It was picking up "insurgents" however the part were the guy goes "oh well" after hearing he had wounded a girl there is zero justification for. The guy is a scumbag no doubt. The reporter knew the risks of hanging out with armed guys though.

Also when the hellfire missile was fired there was a person walking across the building. He needed to be confirmed before the missile was fired. The guy had a happy trigger finger.

 

[FreekiN]

The only reason why this video became viral was because of the high-profile deaths caught on camera. They weren't some average Iraq civilians who were caught on camera like these guys:

 

[gambit]

I would say that the pilots were extremely disrespectful and highly unprofessional. That being sad there really can't be an argument made to say they shouldn't have fired at the van. It was picking up "insurgents" however the part were the guy goes "oh well" after hearing he had wounded a girl there is zero justification for. The guy is a scumbag no doubt. The reporter knew the risks of hanging out with armed guys though.

Also when the hellfire missile was fired there was a person walking across the building. He needed to be confirmed before the missile was fired. The guy had a happy trigger finger.

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