Leader: Iran to respond if US renews bans

[Attila the Hun]

That's right like i have always said, this is NATO's mess and Erdogan. Not the people

What has Erdogan done here? He can do nothing !! He is a nobody here.
I'd say US done this all on their own.
They don't need anyone for this lol.
ISIS are going to be "defeated" soon. and "peace" will come
Everyone will be so happy.

 

[Rasengan]

So your government has decided to kill Afghani people behind the walls hu?
Stop protecting Taleban terrorists and help Afghanistan to build their country again. What did you say?
Of course you cannot do it. USA will punish you hardly. What then? Kill Afghani people behind the walls for USA's benefits.
Hypocricy is in your blood

No you retard My Government is going to build the wall so no more terrorists can come inside Pakistan. This will protect our citizens from harm. Stop negotiating with the Taliban behind the Afghan Government back We can do what we like.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Well the US (my government) has been shady undoubtedly, I would like to see an inclusive team of multiple countries getting together and doing some good but it seems the strong mad tactics of all Middle Eastern leaders gets in the way.

Every country has their own interests, but in this case it seems that most interests are ethnocentrically based, Shiite supports Shiites, Sunni, supports Sunni, Turks support Turks etc, etc... This isn't good for anyone in tackling the problem which is extremism.

Sadly, I don't think the US can gain the moral initiative any longer.

By you do you mean US or Iran?

For me personally. i know this will hurt the members here but. Countries like Turkey and Iran and rest of the ME, are weak nothingness
What Iran or Turkey does or doesn't do doesn't matter.
Even if the whole ME got together what can they do??
Kurdistan is happening. Balkanization is coming!

Brother the next best option is to seal the entire border. The Pakistani military has recently just started to fence the Afghan border and it's paying dividends to our security. Any person who thinks of crossing the Turkish border without permission should be shot on the spot.

A little too late for that now
Shame really. could've prevented a lot of misery.
But this has been planned for a long time I feel.

 

[Mentee]

The same war that Arabs were defeated within 7 days. Did you know that Saudis surrendered to Israel before war and in coordination with Britain?

That's nit the point , the point is we stood by the Palestinian cause till now

your pilots helped Arabs Voluntarily and without your government's permission.

Are you kidddin me? Our pilots were stationed in Syria until Hafiz Asad stepped foot on our sovereignty by providing arms to terror groups inside Pak just like the Iraq of sadam-----that was the reason govt of Pakistan decided to call em back .

Edit: PAF aviators are still present at Jordanian airbases

 

[Rasengan]

A little too late for that now
Shame really. could've prevented a lot of misery.
But this has been planned for a long time I feel.

It's never too late Brother. Do you know one of the main reasons why America was in Afghanistan was due to our nuclear missile program. For the last 15 years they have tried to disarm us, yet they have failed each time. Turkey can still take the necessary action and strengthen its borders. Don't give up hope because in the Muslim world Turkey is one of the strongest countries we have. Turkic are warriors by nature....they submit to no one.

 

[Mentee]

You have the blood of Afghans, Iraqi, Yemen and I could go on Read my post properly and please buy some glasses. I said India was in alliance with the forces of Dajjal. If tomorrow Imam Mehdi was to be here do you think the Indians will support him or their allies in Israel. I am glad that you have mentioned the issue of Kashmir and your view point. This just proves that we can't have any relations with Iran. Don't worry your time will come soon and we will teach you a lesson.

Leave him he sounds like an Indian studying in Iran. First he told that he's an Iranian Baloch then when desert fighter confronted him , he suddenly changed his tone. Never seen an Iranian who would badmouth Arabs and others for no reason

 

[Attila the Hun]

It's never too late Brother. Do you know one of the main reasons why America was in Afghanistan was due to our nuclear missile program. For the last 15 years they have tried to disarm us, yet they have failed each time. Turkey can still take the necessary action and strengthen its borders. Don't give up hope because in the Muslim world Turkey is one of the strongest countries we have. Turkic are warriors by nature....they submit to no one.

Syria is for sure is fucked, now, how can we stop this? The country has been self destructing for years.
Israel will finally have a loyal ally in the ME.
The whole world will want it too! And demand for it. going to be sickening to watch
I hope I am wrong though. haha

 

[padamchen]

I like Iran. Probably the only stable oasis of sense in a region gone bonkers. Regardless of their mullas and ayatollahs and hanging people from industrial cranes, they've braved decades of sanctions and stood proud and untouched. It's weird, but them and the Jews are probably the only ones standing between total bloodletting anarchy and the region as a whole.

 

[BlueInGreen]

For me personally. i know this will hurt the members here but. Countries like Turkey and Iran and rest of the ME, are weak nothingness
What Iran or Turkey does or doesn't do doesn't matter.
Even if the whole ME got together what can they do??
Kurdistan is happening. Balkanization is coming!


A little too late for that now
Shame really. could've prevented a lot of misery.
But this has been planned for a long time I feel.

I personally don't see either Iran or Turkey as weak, in the geo-politcal sense, Turkey has sway in Syria and Iraq via different ethnically Turkish groups. Iran has more sway with Shiites (since the overall narrative and facts do support this, is that Shiites are the underdogs in the region outside of Iran).

Like for instance In Syria, Iranian blood has been spilled in possibly the thousands and Iran has won so far in it's goal, that being keeping the Assad government in power (Russia played a big role in this, although their help and influence came much later in the course of the conflict).

Turkey just lost 3 or so soldiers in an apparent attack by the Syrian air force, which Turkey has said they will respond (interesting to see where this will go, basically the Russians have a do or die moment here, either they shoot down Turkish jets trying to attack Syrian troops or loose all credibility). In this regard I'm intrigued about the course of action Turkey will take.

But if we really think about Turkey has a lot of influence, (some thing that ones citizens should either be proud or ashamed, depends on your view point). Turkey is in Iraq, and Syria simultaneously, with its forces and the forces it's backing attacking ISIS and expanding, but Irans forces are doing quite the same but a faster pace. In Iraq alone, Iran's influence is felt almost all over the country, and Syria much the same within government held areas. But what must be clear is that it is INFLUENCE not CONTROL (I apologize for the caps, I just want others to know the difference).

I'm assuming the main issue between Turkey and Iran is the Kurdish one? I...really don't know what can be done about this (we live in an area where states fight through proxy so its literally sports teams fighting each other if you wanna take a lighter tone to it).

PKK, YPG, PESHMERGA, other Kurdish groups idk.. I kind of lost track so I apologize for my ignorance.

I do know that neither countries people or government will concede their lands and heritage to a Kurdish state, and the US has kind of back peddled on the Kurdish thing as well (well at least it seems that way).

(I also have a bias leaning toward Iranian interest since I am of born of Iranian parents in the US).

But the Pakistan VS Iran issue still boggles my mind.

 

[Muhammed45]

person coming a Pakistani Defence Forum. An honorable person would have left with dignity You would have to ask the moderator...how the hell should I know.[/QUOTE]
After exposing your lies. An honorable knight stands on the field till the end. Know it

Leave him he sounds like an Indian studying in Iran. First he told that he's an Iranian Baloch then when desert fighter confronted him , he suddenly changed his tone. Never seen an Iranian who would badmouth Arabs and others for no reason

I tested that baloch guy. Read my post again.

 

[Mentee]

I tested that baloch guy. Read my post again.

That dormitory thing ? @DESERT FIGHTER

 

[Muhammed45]

No you retard My Government is going to build the wall so no more terrorists can come inside Pakistan. This will protect our citizens from harm. Stop negotiating with the Taliban behind the Afghan Government back We can do what we like.

Yeah betrayal is a part of your claim. We can do what we want.
For sake of your own words don't leave innocent comments here. Terrorist protector loser

 

[Attila the Hun]

I personally don't see either Iran or Turkey as weak, in the geo-politcal sense, Turkey has sway in Syria and Iraq via different ethnically Turkish groups. Iran has more sway with Shiites (since the overall narrative and facts do support this, is that Shiites are the underdogs in the region outside of Iran).

Like for instance In Syria, Iranian blood has been spilled in possibly the thousands and Iran has won so far in it's goal, that being keeping the Assad government in power (Russia played a big role in this, although their help and influence came much later in the course of the conflict).

Turkey just lost 3 or so soldiers in an apparent attack by the Syrian air force, which Turkey has said they will respond (interesting to see where this will go, basically the Russians have a do or die moment here, either they shoot down Turkish jets trying to attack Syrian troops or loose all credibility). In this regard I'm intrigued about the course of action Turkey will take.

But if we really think about Turkey has a lot of influence, (some thing that ones citizens should either be proud or ashamed, depends on your view point). Turkey is in Iraq, and Syria simultaneously, with its forces and the forces it's backing attacking ISIS and expanding, but Irans forces are doing quite the same but a faster pace. In Iraq alone, Iran's influence is felt almost all over the country, and Syria much the same within government held areas. But what must be clear is that it is INFLUENCE not CONTROL (I apologize for the caps, I just want others to know the difference).

I'm assuming the main issue between Turkey and Iran is the Kurdish one? I...really don't know what can be done about this (we live in an area where states fight through proxy so its literally sports teams fighting each other if you wanna take a lighter tone to it).

PKK, YPG, PESHMERGA, other Kurdish groups idk.. I kind of lost track so I apologize for my ignorance.

I do know that neither countries people or government will concede their lands and heritage to a Kurdish state, and the US has kind of back peddled on the Kurdish thing as well (well at least it seems that way).

(I also have a bias leaning toward Iranian interest since I am of born of Iranian parents in the US).

But the Pakistan VS Iran issue still boggles my mind.

No one is stopping ISIS. not Turkey not Iran, not Russia.
ISIS is there to stay until their use is not needed
US will do all they can to protect their ISIS for now.
once the time is right, Kurdistan is coming, a land for Shias and Sunnis.

 

[Muhammed45]

That dormitory thing ? @DESERT FIGHTER

Yeah let me ask him to write in baloochi tongue. @DESERT FIGHTER
maroochy tey hal chonen?
man hazeron gooatow baloochi habar kanon. allah ma yare.

 

[Rasengan]

Syria is for sure is fucked, now, how can we stop this? The country has been self destructing for years.
Israel will finally have a loyal ally in the ME.
The whole world will want it too! And demand for it. going to be sickening to watch
I hope I am wrong though. haha

Israel will have a loyal ally in the Middle East and they have played the game in a clever way. But this just means that Turkey has to rethink its strategy to contain them. We had the same problem in 2001 when the invasion of Afghanistan took place. The Northern Alliance who hated Pakistan was in power in Kabul. A number of foreign intelligence agencies were supporting the NDS to destabilize Pakistan and disarm our nuclear program. The entire world was supporting Kabul with money, arms and political support.

However, for 15 years we had to work hard to change this situation. Terrorism has been reduced down to 500% in the last three years and we are growing economically forming new ties with other countries to strengthen our position in the region. Turkey must do the same thing.