Lawyers go on Strike against Model Courts

[R Wing]

Young Pak, my dear friend,

The blackcoat gangsters are nothing but street hustlers... instead a chamber being a source of legal excellence ... it has become den of criminals.... a kind of #EconomicTerrorists .

What is the root-casuse of all these acts?

Look at pharma... and how doctors push for drugs... and then get a cut from sales.

Look at media... how 'jounralists' push a particular narrative... and get paid... in flesh, liquid, houses and free travels.

Look at bureaucracy... how 'servant of state' have become servants of #CriminalEnterprise... even before Dollar-Rupee pricing is announced by the PSB... some from FinMinistery and PSB will inform dollar traders in Karachi and Lahore... getting their cuts...with their wives having foreign nationalities...

Look at IB, FIA, NAB, FBR, CDA, Courts, Police...on and on... The 'system' is fully compromised... a total Instiuitional Capture.

#CriminalEnterprise thrives on human misery...

Rootcause?

I do believe a 20/80 Rule will be necessary as first fix... Take out the 20% top corrupts in all aspects in the current system in all aspects... make them an example for the 80%.... you shall see a remarkable change.

Revolutions are bloody business. Most revolutions fail... one oppression is replaced by another.

What is needed is change in the sytem.

What was the purpose which made millions to migrate and loose life and property?

What is the purpose of current Pak State and Pak People? Is there any purpose?

Devil's Advisory Council spreads choas and sells illusions....in the name of freedom, justice and equality. Liberals are as dangerous as religious extremists...both are against nature.

The current system is collapsing. PMIK cann't bring change.. he has the entire system against him..including people around him.

He must press the Kill Switch!

Never loose Hope! Hope is the Agency of Life.

Regards,

Mangus

Completely agreed. This system can never be reformed. If anybody thinks that this corrupt system can be reformed, then he is a fool.
A new system is needed. Time is running out.

The whole point of "Lawyer Profession" is to lie and instead of talking on evidence, they talk on "Legal Complexity". The single most corrupt and disgusting profession ever created in the history of mankind.

لَّعۡنَتَ اللّٰهِ عَلَى الۡكٰذِبِيۡنَ‏
"And so lay curse of Allah upon those who lie". (Surah al Imran; ayat 61)

These b*stards should have been dealt with harshly by the State long ago.

 

[Verve]

Or better yet. We go back to old model which was here before the British arrive and used to give speedy, swift and free justice i.e. Qazi Courts. Remove the profession of lawyers altogether.

Agreed. Legal Profession is required but not in the current capacity. In the courts the lawyers should only be allowed to present/submit facts and nothing else. Questioning only to be done by judges.

 

[Reddington]

Agreed. Legal Profession is required but not in the current capacity. In the courts the lawyers should only be allowed to present/submit facts and nothing else. Questioning only to be done by judges.

I have researched on this topic. And I can tell u that there is no concept of lawyers in Islam. The judge himself does all the investigation, then hears the case listening to arguments of both sides and then gives judgement. All this happens in no time.
In today's system, e.g. if a terrorist accepts in court that he was involved in terrorism then what's the point of hanging the case forever.....
Swift/free justice is needed in Pakistan to deal with the corrupt especially.

 

[Verve]

I have researched on this topic. And I can tell u that there is no concept of lawyers in Islam. The judge himself does all the investigation, then hears the case listening to arguments of both sides and then gives judgement. All this happens in no time.
In today's system, e.g. if a terrorist accepts in court that he was involved in terrorism then what's the point of hanging the case forever.....
Swift/free justice is needed in Pakistan to deal with the corrupt especially.

Yes, there is no concept of lawyer in Islamic courts but we need people to draft complex legal agreements / contracts and advise people on legal matters to stay within the law in their planned steps.

There's no concept of jail either, as per my understanding. Why should the state feed and house criminals? Execute the punishment, be it the hand off or the neck off.

Chop hands off Zardari and Nawaz etc whilst confiscating every single asset in Pakistan - and then put them in homeless shelter. Slap on ECL until foreign assets are willingly transferred to State or returned other way. Once loot has returned to kitty, let these handless scum leave the country if they can pay for it.

 

[Reddington]

Yes, there is no concept of lawyer in Islamic courts but we need people to draft complex legal agreements / contracts and advise people on legal matters to stay within the law in their planned steps.

For that special licences could be issued by the government which will be very few in number. No need to keep lawyers by the tons.

 

[Verve]

For that special licences could be issued by the government which will be very few in number. No need to keep lawyers by the tons.

Yes, this profession needs serious reform and strict regulation. The whole profession at present is based on milking the poor public seeking justice.

 

[Mentee]

These b*stards should have been dealt with harshly by the State long ago.

Since you've pretty much exhibited your perverted upbringing by abusing the whole lot in one go. Let me tell you smart arse your executive which you so innocently equated with the state is nothing short of Dallas pimping their motherland since its existence.

You folks get treated like crap in govt offices and if it wasn't for the lawyers movement this state within state would have completely strangulated your sorry *** civil liberties which youve just come to enjoy to some extent - - - - - -

This is a balancing act against the "state" you scratch my back me yours. Period!

Are you fucking aware of the recent changes in the writ jurisdiction of the district judge?

Yes, this profession needs serious reform and strict regulation. The whole profession at present is based on milking the poor public seeking justice.

Sir we like to talk all big without taking into account the ground realities. In an ideal world all these cry babies would still be complaining about the snail pace execution of justice.

A judge can only order the concerned department to comply with his orders . But in case those sarkari babus refuse - - - - - - - all he can do is to write to their seniors for punitive measure besides initiating contempt proceedings or direct the district accounts officer to freeze thier pay.

That's all. The court must have an independent execution arm of its own like the us marshals. So the judge don't have to look towards some sp for carrying out his judgment .

 

[Verve]

Sir we like to talk all bug without taking into account the ground realities. In an ideal world all these cry babies would still be complaining about the snail pace execution of justice.

A judge can only order the concerned department to comply with his orders . But in case those sarkari babus refuse - - - - - - - all he can do is to write to their seniors for punitive measure besides initiating contempt proceedings or direct the district accounts officer to freeze thier pay.

That's all. The court must have an independent execution arm of its own like the us marshals. So the judge don't have to look towards some sp for carrying out his judgment .

It's not one cog in the machine that needs replacing, the whole machine needs replacing.

Patchworks will fail. But it's good that every other part of the system is failing fast. These are desperate patch attempts by superior judiciary, that's all.

My suggestions are for the new system. The current system is beyond repair.

 

[Mentee]

It's not one cog in the machine that needs replacing, the whole machine needs replacing.

Patchworks will fail. But it's good that every other part of the system is failing fast. These are desperate patch attempts by superior judiciary, that's all.

My suggestions are for the new system. The current system is beyond repair.

This is the point the current system has failed to deliver comprehensively. So we need another one where the judicial organ of the state has a complete upper hand over the executive to put an end to their bullying.

And meanwhile these sarkari babus need to be given a dose of their own medicine which right now only the legal practitioners have the capability of offering so.

 

[Tps43]

Sucking up of ministers and justices to their nephews and kids in police and administrative service of Pakistan. The new judicial reforms are centred around giving unchecked power to the executive and further depriving the underdog - - - - - -.

@Mentee need u buddy I am in a deep sh!t

This is the point the current system has failed to deliver comprehensively. So we need another one where the judicial organ of the state has a complete upper hand over the executive to put an end to their bullying.

And meanwhile these sarkari babus need to be given a dose of their own medicine which right now only the legal practitioners have the capability of offering so.

Contact me asap

 

[313ghazi]

Or better yet. We go back to old model which was here before the British arrived and use to give speedy, swift and free justice i.e. Qazi Courts. Remove the profession of lawyers altogether.

Agree entirely. We need to move away from the British system and adopt Shariah. Lawyers are a roadblock to justice. The judge appointed to a case should have a legal team which gather evidence and he should review it and make a decision.

 

[Verve]

This is the point the current system has failed to deliver comprehensively. So we need another one where the judicial organ of the state has a complete upper hand over the executive to put an end to their bullying.

And meanwhile these sarkari babus need to be given a dose of their own medicine which right now only the legal practitioners have the capability of offering so.

Legal practitioners are only capable on the current (Colonial + botched) system but when the new system with new Islamic laws comes, that capability will be severely diminished.

Agree entirely. We need to move away from the British system and adopt Shariah. Lawyers are a roadblock to justice. The judge appointed to a case should have a legal team which gather evidence and he should review it and make a decision.

Current breed of lawyers may just be allowed to transition to investigative work, all depends on skills transferability. Those specialising in crime should be able to.

Good ones should be made judges as we need more judges than court lawyers going forward.

 

[Mentee]

Legal practitioners are only capable on the current (Colonial + botched) system but when the new system with new Islamic laws comes, that capability will be severely diminished.

Iam all for it. But only if the administrative powers get decentralized and sarkari babus are made subservient to the judge in letter and spirit. For which the qazi must have a police force of his own, accountable to none other but directly to the qazi

 

[313ghazi]

Legal practitioners are only capable on the current (Colonial + botched) system but when the new system with new Islamic laws comes, that capability will be severely diminished.



Current breed of lawyers may just be allowed to transition to investigative work, all depends on skills transferability. Those specialising in crime should be able to.

Good ones should be made judges as we need more judges than court lawyers going forward.

Absolutely. The old system has to be broken apart. The ring leaders will protest, but once they're made an example of - the rest will either accept a role in the new system, or "learn to code".

Judges should do all the questioning, they should do all the assessing of evidence, but they should have like legal secrataries or lawyers who do the leg work for them under their supervision. The law should not so complicated that an average person is lost seeking justice. I think for the more serious charges, there should be panels of judges too, and also there should be a requirement for certain professional witnesses or experts to provide opinions - like on DNA or legal precedent etc.

 

[Verve]

Iam all for it. But only if the administrative powers get decentralized and sarkari babus are made subservient to the judge in letter and spirit. For which the qazi must have a police force of his own, accountable to none other but directly to the qazi

As far as I can analyse, Sarkari Babu's are going to get the worst chop of all as the worst of the filth is in them.

I find it utterly disgraceful that a 27yr old CSS pass sits above someone with years of experience in a field. One flipping exam is the credential. Sheer arrogance and criminal of those who came up with this system in the first place.